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Post by EnriqueH on Oct 22, 2012 11:37:39 GMT -5
When he arrived in town, it was like he shit his pants. But then he was walking back and forth. What the heck was supposed to be up with him?
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Post by Jimbo on Oct 22, 2012 12:14:08 GMT -5
He burned his hand, so naturally he walked like that. ;D
Was he trying to slink away without getting noticed (therefore sticking out like a sore thumb)?
How funny that JW Pepper is the one who added the closest thing to seriousness in that scene.
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Post by EnriqueH on Oct 22, 2012 12:17:41 GMT -5
As a kid, I thought he was walking around with a shot glass, implying he was drunk. But as an adult, I see he has no shot glass but I'm perplexed with his behavior.
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Post by atp on Oct 22, 2012 13:30:25 GMT -5
Maybe he was having an allergic reaction to the fish or beans.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2012 4:21:29 GMT -5
He was confused about which movie set he was on. He was actually supposed to be wandering around the Sweet Haven set from "Popeye." You know, he was one of those quirky characters in the background, and even if you've seen the movie 5,000 times you don't notice the quirky character doing a quirky thing until the 5,001st screening.
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Post by EnriqueH on Oct 25, 2012 7:33:56 GMT -5
So no one can explain this behavior?
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Post by KOEAGO on Oct 29, 2012 19:44:03 GMT -5
I always just got the impression that he's having something of a psychotic episode/breakdown, due to the experience he had with the Zod and co.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Oct 29, 2012 21:27:33 GMT -5
If that idea had been played straight and not for comedy, that could have been powerful, actually... (though I'm sure probably wayyy too disturbing for young viewers I'd imagine, if so...)
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Post by Kamdan on Oct 29, 2012 23:13:36 GMT -5
So no one can explain this behavior? I figured it was something off screen. |
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Post by Shane on Oct 29, 2012 23:28:00 GMT -5
holy skunk sweat
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Post by ye5man on Oct 31, 2012 8:30:23 GMT -5
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Post by booshman on Oct 31, 2012 10:42:12 GMT -5
So no one can explain this behavior? I figured it was something off screen. The last shot of the scene (before non cradles the light) is Zod rolling his eyes at the offer of "the globe that flashes red like our Krypton sun". If you look at Ursa in the background, she turns to look where Dwayne was hiding behind the car, then motions towards him as it cuts. I think she must have done something to him between the time we leave them and when they arrive in town. I don't want to know what it was, but I hope it was bad. Also, anyone notice that when the car is dropped by Non, the right hand rear tyre blows out. Yet when they arrive back in town, it's managed to re-inflate itself an the right front tyre is now flat. |
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Post by TylerDurden389 on Oct 31, 2012 11:52:50 GMT -5
The last shot of the scene (before non cradles the light) is Zod rolling his eyes at the offer of "the globe that flashes red like our Krypton sun". If you look at Ursa in the background, she turns to look where Dwayne was hiding behind the car, then motions towards him as it cuts. I think she must have done something to him between the time we leave them and when they arrive in town. I don't want to know what it was, but I hope it was bad. Well, we all know in the RIC he tries to get away, and when face to face with her he just tips his hat. However, you mentioning her motioning towards him (and Donner's script indicating how much she hates men), makes me think Ursa did something else to make him walk like that:  Hey, Zod is always telling everyone to kneel before him, right? |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Oct 31, 2012 15:10:30 GMT -5
I don't recall if there was anything past that in the Lester script... the whole scene seems rather pointless other than using resources that might have been already setup to be used in the Donner version of the same scene (which resembled the Moon attack tone far more, but also had a great concise way of explaining how/why Zod would know who was in charge up the chain of command up to the President when Ursa questions the deputy in the Mank script). Since there were so few resources needed here, I was hoping/assuming that Donner already shot this scene (though the same could be said of the Honeymoon haven scenes w/Chris and Margo or the Margot closeups for the depowering scene) for the RDC. Oh well... In another movie, I could have forgiven the comedic bits by Lester on its own, (I still maintain Lester's Three Musketeers is a classic that hasn't been outdone or matched by its numerous remakes), but I'd argue that even on its own merits, it's so sloppily done, there's not even a real ending to that introduction scene..... Zod REALLY loves that red globe on top of the police car? That's the whole point beyond cheap jokes for the scene? Groan.....  |
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Post by ye5man on Nov 1, 2012 16:38:17 GMT -5
I guess you're OK with Donner's comedy of Lex, Otis and bedwetting?
And Donner using resources of "the babies" and the Indian tribe splashing about in the water?
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Nov 2, 2012 2:32:31 GMT -5
Well....not really, but Lex's comedy shtick was at least in the initial design, versus Lester uprooting an original plan (one only has to compare the scripts).
I have to admit-
When I first saw STM, Donner's campy Lex bits drove me up the wall!
For the life of me, I couldn't understand why Donner felt it necessary to have Lex as comedy relief.... felt like there wasn't a real plan in place-
But then, in seeing SII--- with how Lex was used with the Criminals in the Donner bits, it made sense and worked as a whole imo. If anything, it made the villains (in the Donner scenes) seem even more menacing with the contrast.
So, I get why Donner did what he did when SII came out, but I still tend to fast-forward the campy Lex stuff when I view STM.....
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