Would you cast Brandon Routh as Capt Marvel in JLA

[atp]

I didn't think Routh was bad or that his acting was poor.

In fact, his acting was better than Spacey's and all the other cast too.

[Shane]

better than kal penn or ian roberts

[ye5man]

Nov 30, 2012 18:27:13 GMT -5 crazy_asian_man said:

A million? Reeve got 250,000 for the first one, then I know he was able to renegotiate for SII when it didn't get finished all at one time.

I forget where I read it, but the point is WB plucked him from obscurity, offered him once in a lifetime opportunity which financially set him up for life.

So these posts about "how WB treated him" makes no sense

"Make hay while the sun shines", Routh. Now its all over.

[crazy_asian_man]

I forget where I read it, but the point is WB plucked him from obscurity, offered him once in a lifetime opportunity which financially set him up for life.

Well, I think the reason the folks (including me) felt he got the short end of the stick (in a way) is presuming that he wasn't offered $ to set him up for life.

I'd read somewhere (I don't remember which actor said it) that actors got a good but not great amount for a first one, but that the sequels were where they made the big money.
[*EDIT: Now I remember. Michael Beign (sp?) from the Terminator and Alien films said it in an interview.]

In going to conventions where I'd see actors that got one-time shots at stardom - like Sam Jones (Flash Gordon), Erin Gray (Buck Rogers), etc.---- and they primarily go to the shows to sell autographed photos to make ends meet.....

I think the presumption is that- based on other folks who got 'star chances'- that none of them got set for life, and may or may not end up having to do odd jobs for the rest of their life. That's not the worst thing to end up having to do, (I admire the actor who played Nuclear Man seeming to take things well in stride and adjust pretty well when SIV was a bomb), but everyone seems pretty labelled and defined by their jobs. (A similar case would be those who go to medical school for years to try to be a doctor and fail.... and dogged by that for the rest of their life, plus the school loans. Know those folks, too.)

I know a number of actors who have to do the sucky jobs to pay the rent, and never have gotten as far as anyone probably cast in SR.... but if they don't (quote unquote) 'make it', they could still go to the airport, or work at Target, and no one would harass them now and then why they didn't have a giant film career.

With Routh, it looks like (and it's proven that way) that he won't ever be able to go to an airport or most anywhere worldwide without having to look over his shoulder for someone constantly taping him to throw up for youtube. If you don't at least have the benefit of the $ or (possibly) a career in the field you chose, then the lack of privacy and being dogged for the rest of his life over it could suck.

I'm thinking George Reeves, who had the privilege and curse of playing Superman.

I know there are a million other truly worse situations, and that one goes into acting probably with open eyes on the risks..... but..... from what I've gotten from the interviews and friends who met him at conventions, Brandon seemed like a pretty cool guy, down to earth, and to have his face everywhere on the planet with a promise of a future, and have it snatched away, I feel some empathy for-

But-
Like I mentioned before, Jessica Lange had a similar situation- with her face put out there as the next big superstar, then flopped and critics hashed her acting ability- and then she went away to study harder, going back to acting classes, and then came back and won an Oscar years later.

Or-
There are some very BITTER actors at conventions, too.

So, there's hoping that Routh is able to make a comeback. For what he's got, I still think superhero film I think might help fit his gifts. (Again, far moreso than Ryan Reynolds, who would be great in comedic roles, but....)

I just know that there are a good number of bitter actors at conventions who can't adjust and/or turn it around, and I'd hate to see Routh end up there....

[ye5man]

I don't know why you're so bothered.

Routh's had a few gigs since SR, if he hasn't had the sense to bank the $ then he has nobody else to blame if he ends up "forced" to make some cash at conventions (still a much better way to make a living than most people)

Or are you suggesting his life might have been better had he just not got the role in the first place?


George Reeves ended up having quite a lucrative contract with the Superman shows. He wasn't short of cash. Better to be typed than out of work and broke if you ask me

[Deleted]

on the other hand I have the perfect casting choice to play Routh should they ever make a film about his life

[ye5man]

Routh's a good guy and I wish him well. Perhaps we'll see him in "I'm a celebrity..." or some other reality show a few years down the line

[atp]

I also wish him well.

SR flopped in spite of him, not because of him. He deserved better.

[ShogunLogan]

Dec 1, 2012 0:03:16 GMT -5 Matt in the Hat said:

Patrick warburton.

Nuff. Said.

That would just confuse people who have him associated with "The Tick".

[crazy_asian_man]

Or are you suggesting his life might have been better had he just not got the role in the first place?

If the money isn't there... and the career isn't there- possibly, yeah.

I have an acquaintence that was teased a tad too much with fame and fortune for a few years by producers---- and saw how it pretty much destroyed this person afterwards psychologically. Would have probably been worse if this person was known worldwide.

But- really depends on the person and what their dreams/expectations were. I know people who were able to get over life dreams that were shattered, others who could never quite shake it--- in different degrees. For some folks I know that their relationship to an art form can be (for the person) even more intense than a relationship to a husband or a wife.

If an artist lost his/her drawing arm, I imagine they'd either overcome it or be suicidal. Actors who can't get roles, might not be all that different from that. (**In fact, Chris Reeve wrote in one of his memoirs about getting extremely frustrated and bitter himself in his later acting years when he had to start going in for auditions, as opposed to being offered roles, after the Superman films' star power started to wear off)

Different for everyone.... so, I can empathize in some ways with the situation. Moreso for a cancer victim, sure, but, still...

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for the record i'm just winding folk up. I don't think Routh's bad atall and what happend with SR is definitely no fault of his

[Kamdan]

Plucked from obscurity and paid a MILLION dollars to play Superman in a film that at least was respectful to the original

Blatantly ripping off something is not being respectful.

[ye5man]

True. It did overstep the mark a few times.

If the money isn't there... and the career isn't there- possibly, yeah.

So he's have got a part in Pilgrim, Chuck and the lacrosse movie if he had stayed a bartender?

Sorry mate, nothing you're saying makes sense to me. If Routh had chosen to capitalise on his 5 mins of fame instead of (allegedly) "waiting for the phone to ring" then would you be complaining of how "WB treated him"?

When opportunity knocks you got to go out there and make the most of it

[Deleted]

I dont get the comparison with Reeve atall.

His film was a hit and he defined that role, on film anyway. Reeve was a good actor too and he was actually offered big roles, but for whatever reason decline a lot of work.

I'd be shocked if Routh's really been offered anything. I'd like to see him do well, but from small snippets of his other films I'd say he's probably not a good enough actor to command any real serious acting career.

[Deleted]

You know, given all the stories about Superman in developmental heck for nearly 20 years, I'm still surprised, even six years later, that any movie got made. I'm just as surprised another one is coming in seven months.

[Metallo]

I'd say no to Routh as Capt Marvel. Not that he wouldn't be ok but he wouldn't be quite right either. It SHOULD be a Patrick Warburton type. A guy who gets the humor and can play it while being that exagerrated ideal of a hero that Cap is.

Nov 30, 2012 15:00:14 GMT -5 Jor-L5150 said:

WARNER/premiere SHOULD cast him as voice actor for the superman/brainiac animated film as that was part of geoff johns neo-silver/donnerverse and SR was donnerverse.

that they almost certainly aren't is about the only thing mitigating my joy that that story is getting the animated treatment.

I'd love to see him come back in some sort of animated project. he should have been Superman on "The Batman" instead of guesting as another character. If the MTV Spider-man could do it with Michael Clarke Duncan's Kingpin and The New Adventures of Batman and Superfriends could do it with Adam West and JLU could do it with Mark Hamill's trickster why not?

Andrea Romano would get a good performanc eout of Routh considering her track record.

[ye5man]

Wonder how Routh would have fared had he got the Lois and Clark gig? He might not have played the "GC" CK character so well seeing as his Clark was a Reeve carbon copy.

His Superman might have been an improvement but I see his take being less authoritative (sic?) than even Cain's was

Would have been interesting to see.

[Matt in the Hat]

Dec 1, 2012 15:05:52 GMT -5 ShogunLogan said:

Dec 1, 2012 0:03:16 GMT -5 Matt in the Hat said:

Patrick warburton.

Nuff. Said.

That would just confuse people who have him associated with "The Tick".

LOL!

Nah, but seriously? I could totally buy him as a kid in grown up pants trying to be a superhero. Think, like, Mike Kunkel's Billy Batson and the Magic of Shazam. Totally would buy that.

Routh still has something to work up to. But I'd buy maybe a voice over gig as Superman someday...

[Metallo]

Dec 1, 2012 14:33:44 GMT -5 ye5man said:

Routh's a good guy and I wish him well. Perhaps we'll see him in "I'm a celebrity..." or some other reality show a few years down the line

You've confused him with Dean Cain. Who looks sad doing some stupid celeb bootcamp show.

Dec 1, 2012 4:41:35 GMT -5 atp said:

I didn't think Routh was bad or that his acting was poor.

In fact, his acting was better than Spacey's and all the other cast too.

Huntington was the best Jimmy Olsen since McClure. He was fine in the role too. So was Langella.

Dec 1, 2012 14:48:54 GMT -5 atp said:

I also wish him well.

SR flopped in spite of him, not because of him. He deserved better.

It wasn't a flop. FLOPS make none of their money back at the box office.

Dec 15, 2012 18:10:29 GMT -5 ye5man said:

Wonder how Routh would have fared had he got the Lois and Clark gig? He might not have played the "GC" CK character so well seeing as his Clark was a Reeve carbon copy.

His Superman might have been an improvement but I see his take being less authoritative (sic?) than even Cain's was

Would have been interesting to see.

being based on STM was Singers choice not Rouths. It would have been up to the L&C showrunners.

Cains Kent was based on George Reeves. he ADMITTED this so I'm not sure why people always say it about Routh and not about Cain. It just had a romance element thrown in. He admits his Superman was inspired by Chris Reeve.

If it was the producers intentions to do a Clark that was more everyman and at ease then thats what Routh (or anyone) would have done it. The hook with Cain on Lois and Clark wasn't his acting but the romance and his chemistry with his co star. Routh may not have been as good at it but Cain was no great thespian himself. His chemistry with Hatcher was his strongest plus.

And Routh's superman and Clark would automatically be more authoritative while being physically imposing since he's nearly 6'3 and not a midget in rain boots.

I remember when Cain went on about how tall Welling was after working with him. ;D