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Post by SupermanUF on Feb 25, 2013 14:45:16 GMT -5
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Post by Valentine Smith on Feb 25, 2013 16:25:50 GMT -5
Not yawn at all. This character was always intended to be killed off, and he's actually had a character arc that's been carefully handled over the last seven years. Morrison introduced him when he took over the book as a thoroughly intrusive and dislikable little turd, slowly made the fans love him as he evolved, and now that he's finishing his Batman epic, he's taking Damian with him.
This isn't an "event" as nobody who hasn't been reading comics for the last few years even knows or cares who Damian Wayne is. For people who have kept up on Morrison's story, though, it's a big deal.
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Post by Jor-L5150 on Feb 25, 2013 16:45:43 GMT -5
i'd be more interested in this, but i'm puzzled at continuity. "red hood" was rha's ressurection of jason todd right? is he still around? "the kingdom" had damien as an adult, who had killed rha's- right? how would rha's react to another robin's death, and is he aware that it is his grandson?  |
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Post by Valentine Smith on Feb 25, 2013 16:52:14 GMT -5
Morrison's Batman continuity is kind of its own thing. Basically, if you start with Batman & Son and ONLY read his Batman stuff from then to now, everything will make sense. I haven't bought a secondary Batman book since he took over and only read his stuff, and it's fine. He references the OVERALL Batman continuity, and has actually found a way to pretty much set it up so that virtually every Batman story ever actually "fits" into his continuity, which is kind of amazing. No Batman title has been this good since the early 90s. It's just totally amazing. He completely deconstructs all of the "grim n' gritty" cliches that have ruined Batman for the last 25 years and makes him a SUPERHERO again.
The first couple of arcs (where they introduced Damian) aren't great, but then it gets really good once Batman "dies" and Dick Grayson and Damian take over the main Batman & Robin roles for awhile, and it gets even better when Bruce comes back again. Also, Damian has the best Robin costume ever.
Ra's had nothing to do with Jason Todd's resurrection, and as far as I'm concerned, it never even happened. Unfortunately, Morrison was forced to acknowledge that briefly, but otherwise, you can ignore it.
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Post by Valentine Smith on Feb 25, 2013 18:05:24 GMT -5
www.dccomics.com/blog/2013/02/25/grant-morrison-on-his-legendary-batman-run
as I was researching his rich history, I became fascinated by the idea that every Batman story was in some way true and biographical - from the savage, young, pulp-flavored “weird figure of the dark” of his early years, through the smiling, paternal figure of the 1940s and the proto-psychedelic crusader of the ‘50s, the superhero detective of the ‘60s, the hairy-chested globetrotting adventurer of the ‘70s, to the brutally physical vigilante of the ‘80s and snarling, paranoid soldier of the ‘90s.
By taking his entire publishing history as the story of his life, I was able to approach Batman from a different angle and the multifaceted character that was revealed became the subject of my story.
What would such a man be like, realistically? This was a man who had saved countless lives, faced innumerable perils, and even prevented the destruction of the world itself. This was a master of martial arts, meditation, deduction, yoga and big business. This was a man who had tamed and mastered his demons and turned personal tragedy into a relentless humanitarian crusade.
Taking that man seriously meant I had to throw out a few of the accepted ideas about Batman as a semi-unhinged, essentially humorless loner struggling with rage and guilt. The totality of his history and accomplishments made that portrayal seem limited and unconvincing, so instead, my Batman was a true superhero at the height of his powers and the peak of his abilities, surrounded by a network of friends and associates, all of whom had been inspired by his lead.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2013 18:29:22 GMT -5
Damn. That's pretty fucking well spoken. I was ready to combat it but I can't.
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Post by Valentine Smith on Feb 25, 2013 19:12:54 GMT -5
I hated Damian Wayne. Hated the concept. Hated the character. Hated that they made him Robin and kinda shunted Tim Drake off to the side. Hated ALL of it. He was Scrappy Doo.
In the last two years, I've grown to find him fascinating, and finally to really like him. A great, natural addition to the Batverse. This was all part of the plan. It's brilliant. I bet you anything he gets an awesome, heroic death. Morrison isn't gonna repeat the Jason Todd death, y'know?
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Post by SupermanUF on Feb 25, 2013 20:00:18 GMT -5
Well I retract my yawn then since I haven't read a Batman book in ages.
"Damian." Honestly, could that name be any more on the nose for a character supposed to be a little terror?
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Post by Valentine Smith on Feb 25, 2013 20:07:57 GMT -5
hahahahaha! Exactly how I felt.
But, I mean...he IS Ra's al Ghul's grandkid, and Talia raised him, so, it makes sense, I guess.
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Post by Jor-L5150 on Feb 25, 2013 21:16:27 GMT -5
To clarify-
When I say "red hood" in this case I'm not talking about the red hood who becomes joker- I'm talking about the movie I watched where rha's ressurected jason todd in the lazarus pit.
What val is telling me sounds superb. Ill try to get to it.
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Post by Valentine Smith on Feb 25, 2013 21:32:46 GMT -5
Ah, I didn't see that animated flick (heard it was really good), but yes, Jason is now "The Red Hood" but his comic resurrection had nothing to do with Ra's. Although, after the reboot, it might've. I don't know. Don't care, really, as, like I said, I only recognize Morrison's Batman stuff these days.
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Post by Kirok on Feb 26, 2013 1:07:47 GMT -5
I wish this could have been coordinated better with the launch of the New 52. One of the most obvious things (to me, anyway) to erase from continuity when rebooting everything was Damian. 4 Robins is just too many, especially in the 5 year timespan given to us by the New 52. Not to mention Batman having a son is quite a burden characterwise.
Granted I've never read Morrison's Batman stuff, I've been so turned off by his Superman stuff I never bothered, so I'll reserve judgement for if I ever check it out. In do wonder how this will affect the Batman & Robin title. Will Tim be Robin again?
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Post by Valentine Smith on Feb 26, 2013 12:40:53 GMT -5
As far as I'm concerned, Morrison's Batman exists outside the New 52, but yeah, you're right, it messes with the "compressed timeline." DC really should have rebooted Batman, but let Morrison continue Batman Inc. as its own thing. It still woulda sold the same.
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Post by Valentine Smith on Feb 26, 2013 15:06:20 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2013 6:17:49 GMT -5
Which Robin is in Arkham City? That's a pretty bad-ass take on the character. Might even work in a movie.
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Post by Paul (ral) on Mar 11, 2013 5:14:54 GMT -5
I think it's Tim - he has a bo staff.
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Post by zarius on May 17, 2013 12:19:11 GMT -5
I kind of wish Talia wasnt such a bad egg...I grew up on instances where she was in a grey area, occasionally demonstrating a heart of gold. I always had an idea that she'd help Bruce and Selina recover Helena at some point (after retconning the whole "she was Slam Bradely's kid" bit of course, which is very easy to do given Zatana's mind-warping around that time), and the Bat-Family would be united. Can't have an uplifting Batman story in the regular books now can we? Perfectly acceptable for the big screen though
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