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Post by ye5man on May 8, 2013 3:06:11 GMT -5
I have to agree with this.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2013 5:43:49 GMT -5
That's a given isn't it?
I doubt I'd have such a passion for Williams Superman score if it wasn't attached to Richard Donner's Superman film.
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Post by Valentine Smith on May 8, 2013 8:21:41 GMT -5
Actually, the music from end credits to Iron Man 3 is quite "gym-worthy" and Giacchino's score for the first Star Trek movie is nothing short of spectacular, and I listen to it for pleasure all the time. So, once again, yet another "it's not something I grew up with therefore it is automatically inferior" argument shrivels in the harsh light of day...
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Post by ye5man on May 8, 2013 8:42:24 GMT -5
Agreed on the ST score. The original stuff is brilliant and heroic. I need to remember that when I think how dull a lot of scores are lately.
I also enjoyed Downey's Sherlock Holmes s/tracks.
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Post by Valentine Smith on May 8, 2013 8:54:20 GMT -5
I thought Silvestri's Captain America score was brilliant. Avengers was kind of unmemorable, though.
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Post by eccentricbeing on May 8, 2013 9:41:39 GMT -5
I also enjoyed Downey's Sherlock Holmes s/tracks. Goes to show the range Zimmer has.  |
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Post by cypher85 on May 8, 2013 9:48:45 GMT -5
17 Minute sample of the score
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Post by monkeymagic on May 8, 2013 10:02:51 GMT -5
To me it just sounds like 'generic action film' music. Perhaps when I see the film and the score alongside I shall change my tune. This is not to say that the score is crap. It's not, but I just don't hear anything 'leaping out at me'.
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Post by ChrisM on May 8, 2013 11:31:56 GMT -5
To me it just sounds like 'generic action film' music. Bingo. And to an extent, even John Williams' Superman action tracks were fairly generic templates - fast paced, some percussions, fast violins here and there, etc. It's his "signature" Superman cues that get sprinkled throughout those tracks -- and the infinite variations of that cue -- that's what makes the tracks interesting and congruent to the overall theme. Zimmer needs some type of signature -- something that makes us identify this as "Man of Steel". Otherwise we're left with a hodgepodge of different tracks with nothing to tie them together. |
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Post by eccentricbeing on May 8, 2013 11:38:14 GMT -5
My god...what exactly do you guys expect a score to do for you? Make you a ham and cheese sandwich while you watch football with the guys?
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Post by ChrisM on May 8, 2013 11:38:34 GMT -5
once again, yet another "it's not something I grew up with therefore it is automatically inferior" argument shrivels in the harsh light of day... No. I'm saying it's inferior because nothing really compares to the work that John Williams produced when he was in his prime. It's not just his Superman theme we're talking about here. He has a collection of amazing work in that era that has stood the only test that matters - the test of time. I'm not a Star Wars fan but I can tell you outright that his work there is amazing and unparalleled. Same for Raiders of the Lost Ark... and Jaws... it's more than music - it's a part of our culture. That demonstrates a powerful ability to transcend the material. Maybe Zimmer will produce a nice score that complements the movie. But let's be clear that nothing will approach the heights of what we were treated to back in the day. It's not a knock on Zimmer - it's a testament to Williams' greatness... and a nod to an era that celebrated the power of musical orchestrations as a major part of film making. I think people tend to overruse adjectives like "great" and "brilliant". Those words should only be tossed around with care and discretion. To call samples of Zimmer's work for MoS "amazing" at this juncture means you're either very easily impressed or don't quite understand the meaning of that word. |
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Post by ChrisM on May 8, 2013 11:42:53 GMT -5
My god...what exactly do you guys expect a score to do for you? Make you a ham and cheese sandwich while you watch football with the guys? I want a score that will stimulate my hippocampus. But I certainly don't expect it. My expectations are pretty grounded. 70s and 80s scores are not walking through that door. This isn't me "writing off" something before it has a chance to prove itself... it's just acknowledging the reality of film-making in this day and age. Scores are underplayed, they don't take center stage anymore. I don't know why -- it's just not "cool" or something... who knows. |
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2013 11:57:57 GMT -5
and they got all that from 60 second clips.
I'm still not sure why they hired Zimmer when they could have hired someone from here
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2013 12:04:03 GMT -5
once again, yet another "it's not something I grew up with therefore it is automatically inferior" argument shrivels in the harsh light of day... No. I'm saying it's inferior because nothing really compares to the work that John Williams produced when he was in his prime. It's not just his Superman theme we're talking about here. He has a collection of amazing work in that era that has stood the only test that matters - the test of time. I'm not a Star Wars fan but I can tell you outright that his work there is amazing and unparalleled. Same for Raiders of the Lost Ark... and Jaws... it's more than music - it's a part of our culture. That demonstrates a powerful ability to transcend the material. Maybe Zimmer will produce a nice score that complements the movie. But let's be clear that nothing will approach the heights of what we were treated to back in the day. It's not a knock on Zimmer - it's a testament to Williams' greatness... and a nod to an era that celebrated the power of musical orchestrations as a major part of film making. I think people tend to overruse adjectives like "great" and "brilliant". Those words should only be tossed around with care and discretion. To call samples of Zimmer's work for MoS "amazing" at this juncture means you're either very easily impressed or don't quite understand the meaning of that word. Or they don't have exactly the same taste as you and simply disagree with you. Hard to believe. I think the music in the trailer is absolutely brilliant. I love Batman Begins but I think the music in it is quite bland so I'm not just a Zimmer fanboy. Anyway, no-ones heard anything close to the full score, no-one has seen it with the film, so passing judgement on it is so premature it's bordering on crazy. You might aswell give up on the film Chris, they didn't go into the production with the intention of tailoring it to your specific needs! It might suck ass come June 14th, but until then I'm happy to enjoy what we have so far and look forward to it. |
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2013 12:16:13 GMT -5
WAAAAAAAH PEOPLE LIKE SOMETHING I DON'T LIKE
WAAAAAAAH OTHER PEOPLE DON'T LIKE SOMETHING I LIKE
That about sums up this and the entire internet, yes?
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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 8, 2013 12:32:39 GMT -5
;D
I think that also sums up pretty much most political debates, when all is said and done as well.
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Post by ChrisM on May 8, 2013 12:43:48 GMT -5
No. I'm saying it's inferior because nothing really compares to the work that John Williams produced when he was in his prime. It's not just his Superman theme we're talking about here. He has a collection of amazing work in that era that has stood the only test that matters - the test of time. I'm not a Star Wars fan but I can tell you outright that his work there is amazing and unparalleled. Same for Raiders of the Lost Ark... and Jaws... it's more than music - it's a part of our culture. That demonstrates a powerful ability to transcend the material. Maybe Zimmer will produce a nice score that complements the movie. But let's be clear that nothing will approach the heights of what we were treated to back in the day. It's not a knock on Zimmer - it's a testament to Williams' greatness... and a nod to an era that celebrated the power of musical orchestrations as a major part of film making. I think people tend to overruse adjectives like "great" and "brilliant". Those words should only be tossed around with care and discretion. To call samples of Zimmer's work for MoS "amazing" at this juncture means you're either very easily impressed or don't quite understand the meaning of that word. I think the music in the trailer is absolutely brilliant. You might as well give up on the film Chris, they didn't go into the production with the intention of tailoring it to your specific needs! Unfortunately for you, I'm not going into the film with a do-or-die mentality. I'm simply going to try to have an enjoyable 2 hours at the IMAX. Some of you, I fear, have your whole life hanging in the balance. Do you realize 'absolutely brilliant' means this is some of the best music you've ever heard in your life? Sure you're not laying it on a bit thick? |
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2013 12:50:25 GMT -5
I think the music in the trailer is absolutely brilliant. You might as well give up on the film Chris, they didn't go into the production with the intention of tailoring it to your specific needs! Unfortunately for you, I'm not going into the film with a do-or-die mentality. I'm simply going to try to have an enjoyable 2 hours at the IMAX. Some of you, I fear, have your whole life hanging in the balance. Do you realize 'absolutely brilliant' means this is some of the best music you've ever heard in your life? Sure you're not laying it on a bit thick? For starters is doesn't necessarily mean that. Why would I be laying it on a bit thick? because it isn't to your taste? Plenty of people think the Beatles are the best band ever, I don't think they're anywhere near it but I understand people don't all have the same taste as I do. What makes you think anyones life is hanging in the balance? And I can't imagine you going to see it for any reason other than to chalk up a list of reasons as to why it's all inferior to STM, just the vibe I get, maybe because I can't picture you having fun ;D |
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Post by ChrisM on May 8, 2013 13:48:36 GMT -5
Unfortunately for you, I'm not going into the film with a do-or-die mentality. I'm simply going to try to have an enjoyable 2 hours at the IMAX. Some of you, I fear, have your whole life hanging in the balance. Do you realize 'absolutely brilliant' means this is some of the best music you've ever heard in your life? Sure you're not laying it on a bit thick? For starters is doesn't necessarily mean that. Why would I be laying it on a bit thick? because it isn't to your taste? Plenty of people think the Beatles are the best band ever, I don't think they're anywhere near it but I understand people don't all have the same taste as I do. What makes you think anyones life is hanging in the balance? And I can't imagine you going to see it for any reason other than to chalk up a list of reasons as to why it's all inferior to STM, just the vibe I get, maybe because I can't picture you having fun ;D The score is too generic for me to understand why you think it's so much more brilliant than everything that's being put out there. BUT to each their own. I'm partly just razzing cuz it's a slow work day. Actually, I'm going to see it because I'm curious. I'm not jizzin' - just curious and reasonably optimistic this will be a good treatment of the character. Very few films in my opinion justify shecking $20 so the wife and I can sit through, especially in the age of home theater. But I'm definitely going to see it with a friend and maybe a second time with the wifey, probably in part because it marks the IMAX debut in our city. Hoping the extra cost of admission is worth it, but that's another conversation. My expectations are in check - this is a Goyer/Snyder film so we all should have a good idea of what we're walking into. It's going to be gritty, darker than it probably should be at times (contrary to what they say it's in their track record), and bank on a few lectures to the audience about hope, free will, and leading by example instead of control.  I appreciate Superman as portrayed by Reeve/Donner. I'm not a fan boy from birth. I've never read the comics, have no interest in STAS. Not my thing. That's probably why I'm somewhat tempered and skeptical in my anticipation. But that probably puts me closer to the mean if you were to sample the average movie goer these days. You nuts are right-wing, hard-core. ;D That being said - heck I'll be the first to admit that STM has its share of flaws. There are scenes that make me cringe, things I wish were done differently. I wish Donner had the extra 6 months he needed so we wouldn't be stuck with legoland and Reeve stuck in his workpants when he jumps out the window. I'll wish the Newmans and/or Manky asked themselves, "Why is the greatest criminal mind surrounding himself with total nincompoops?" Seriously. SERIOUSLY. How that flew in 1978 I'll never know but it was a different time. So yeah, ironically in spite of Donner's best efforts, MoS will probably blow away STM in the verisimilitude department. It will win that battle, so to speak, but we need to ask ourselves - what makes us remember movies so fondly? Is it more than nostalgia? I believe so. Point being -- everyone's favorite movie usually isn't near the top of the AFI Top 10 list. It's usually because their favorite film has a compilation of moments scattered throughout the film that capture their imagination and carry great replay value. STM has probably a dozen of those "moments" for me. Heck, The Godfather is all-time classic with many memorable lines and scenes etched into culture lore -- it's gripping but not really something you're going to sit back and re-watch over-and-over again on youtube. That's my take, anyway. |
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Post by Valentine Smith on May 8, 2013 14:10:26 GMT -5
. But let's be clear that nothing will approach the heights of what we were treated to back in the day. It's not a knock on Zimmer - it's a testament to Williams' greatness... and a nod to an era that celebrated the power of musical orchestrations as a major part of film making. I rest my case. |
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Post by Jimbo on May 8, 2013 14:37:51 GMT -5
It sounds pretty good. Much better than Zimmer's usual score these days.
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Post by eccentricbeing on May 8, 2013 14:41:01 GMT -5
. But let's be clear that nothing will approach the heights of what we were treated to back in the day. It's not a knock on Zimmer - it's a testament to Williams' greatness... and a nod to an era that celebrated the power of musical orchestrations as a major part of film making. I rest my case. Yeah, not much to say there. |
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2013 14:43:59 GMT -5
For starters is doesn't necessarily mean that. Why would I be laying it on a bit thick? because it isn't to your taste? Plenty of people think the Beatles are the best band ever, I don't think they're anywhere near it but I understand people don't all have the same taste as I do. What makes you think anyones life is hanging in the balance? And I can't imagine you going to see it for any reason other than to chalk up a list of reasons as to why it's all inferior to STM, just the vibe I get, maybe because I can't picture you having fun ;D The score is too generic for me to understand why you think it's so much more brilliant than everything that's being put out there. BUT to each their own. I'm partly just razzing cuz it's a slow work day. Actually, I'm going to see it because I'm curious. I'm not jizzin' - just curious and reasonably optimistic this will be a good treatment of the character. Very few films in my opinion justify shecking $20 so the wife and I can sit through, especially in the age of home theater. But I'm definitely going to see it with a friend and maybe a second time with the wifey, probably in part because it marks the IMAX debut in our city. Hoping the extra cost of admission is worth it, but that's another conversation. My expectations are in check - this is a Goyer/Snyder film so we all should have a good idea of what we're walking into. It's going to be gritty, darker than it probably should be at times (contrary to what they say it's in their track record), and bank on a few lectures to the audience about hope, free will, and leading by example instead of control. I appreciate Superman as portrayed by Reeve/Donner. I'm not a fan boy from birth. I've never read the comics, have no interest in STAS. Not my thing. That's probably why I'm somewhat tempered and skeptical in my anticipation. But that probably puts me closer to the mean if you were to sample the average movie goer these days. You nuts are right-wing, hard-core. ;D That being said - heck I'll be the first to admit that STM has its share of flaws. There are scenes that make me cringe, things I wish were done differently. I wish Donner had the extra 6 months he needed so we wouldn't be stuck with legoland and Reeve stuck in his workpants when he jumps out the window. I'll wish the Newmans and/or Manky asked themselves, "Why is the greatest criminal mind surrounding himself with total nincompoops?" Seriously. SERIOUSLY. How that flew in 1978 I'll never know but it was a different time. So yeah, ironically in spite of Donner's best efforts, MoS will probably blow away STM in the verisimilitude department. It will win that battle, so to speak, but we need to ask ourselves - what makes us remember movies so fondly? Is it more than nostalgia? I believe so. Point being -- everyone's favorite movie usually isn't near the top of the AFI Top 10 list. It's usually because their favorite film has a compilation of moments scattered throughout the film that capture their imagination and carry great replay value. STM has probably a dozen of those "moments" for me. Heck, The Godfather is all-time classic with many memorable lines and scenes etched into culture lore -- it's gripping but not really something you're going to sit back and re-watch over-and-over again on youtube. That's my take, anyway. Fair enough Chris, but I'm still not sure why you've got an issue with Superman fans getting excited for a brand new take on the character? |
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Post by ChrisM on May 8, 2013 14:56:51 GMT -5
Fair enough Chris, but I'm still not sure why you've got an issue with Superman fans getting excited for a brand new take on the character? I don't have any issue. I think some of the wanking is over-the-top and very premature... but I'm just razzing y'all. This banter is just something to occupy my time when I need a break from work. You know how office jobs can be... One thing I can guarantee though, and I say this tongue-in-cheek, Kevin will be the first to write his reaction, and it will be something like: Oh My Heavens. ;D |
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Post by ye5man on May 8, 2013 16:46:50 GMT -5
Come on now Chris, let us have our bit of fun. These Superman flicks come round so rare. Hard to believe its only the second one since joining this community.
Meanwhile, over at Marvel...
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