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Post by SupermanUF on May 18, 2013 15:52:56 GMT -5
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Post by Paul (ral) on May 18, 2013 16:50:55 GMT -5
When fanboys and cosplayers fancy themselves as artists...
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2013 0:41:22 GMT -5
At least Superman was built and not some scrawny guy. And I may be from Alabama, but that guy definitely sounds like a hillbilly. Wow. I did a search on the guy. He's somewhat known for having really nice costumes. Plus his wife was Power Girl. I bet his home life is a blast ...  But seriously, they seem like nice folks. comicattack.net/2010/10/cosplayer-spot-kelleys/ |
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2013 1:26:38 GMT -5
HOLY FUCKING SHIT!!!  |
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2013 1:48:06 GMT -5
That was a collection of visual images linked together and shown in sequence in order to simulate movement.
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Post by SupermanUF on May 19, 2013 2:14:12 GMT -5
There was a time when this is actually what I wanted out of a Superman costume... something that looked like it was right out of the comics. Now that I've seen the Man of Steel costume, there is no looking back.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2013 2:48:34 GMT -5
I agree. They're quality for what they are: cosplay outfits. Not gonna knock the guy on his work. But it doesn't work as a film costume at all.
In a way, I hope that the MoS home video release features some of those screen tests with Cavill in a Reeve costume, to show us that plain fabric just isn't enough anymore.
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Post by SupermanUF on May 19, 2013 3:09:29 GMT -5
"How can you be so obtuse? They were your family. Your wife. Your parents."
Line delivery so bad it would make a pornstar cringe.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2013 3:57:35 GMT -5
"How can you be so obtuse? They were your family. Your wife. Your parents." Line delivery so bad it would make a pornstar cringe. Good sir, I have screened many adult films. I cannot recall one instance of this "dialogue" of which you speak. I say balderdash to your assertion, sir! |
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Post by ye5man on May 19, 2013 12:14:59 GMT -5
Still a million times better than that Gene Failz abomination.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2013 12:27:13 GMT -5
hahaha ;D
How can the guys who made that live with the shame of that? Especially the absolute bell end who was strolling around in the Superman get up.
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Post by Paul (ral) on May 19, 2013 15:46:25 GMT -5
Still a million times better than that Gene Failz abomination. Agreed! |
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Post by eccentricbeing on May 19, 2013 16:59:55 GMT -5
I can never do a fan film. Not that I consider it "below me". It's just I would never be satisfied how it will turn out with the limited resources.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2013 17:39:03 GMT -5
I'd do a fan play. I mean...shit, I basically do. My versions fan films are the sketches I get to do for my comedy show. I did a sequel to Back to the Future, Princess Bride, I'll be doing one for Star Wars soon and probably a Superman one for my post-surgery return. I mean, it's different because I'm going for laughs, but it's in a similar vein, I guess. It's a way for me to get my feelings about my beloved franchises out there in a humorous way that is extraordinarily cathartic, especially when it gets laughs. I dunno.
But fan films? Jesus fucking Christ. Never seen a one I liked.
Remember EVERY single Star Wars fan film made?
"Well, I'm all alone, walking in a forest. Uh oh! Someone's there! He has a lightsaber, too! Better fight him!"
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Post by eccentricbeing on May 19, 2013 17:58:28 GMT -5
What you do is parody. Entirely different. These fan films actually take themselves a bit seriously and try to be legit. Unless you got a big budget and great actors, you're not pulling it off.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2013 23:58:30 GMT -5
The best SW fan films were ... parodies. American Jedi and the one that portrayed Storm Troopers as COPS.
I also like Episode III-1/2, but that was just dubbing Monty Pyton and the Holy Grail.
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Post by ye5man on May 20, 2013 4:23:24 GMT -5
These fan films actually take themselves a bit seriously and try to be legit. Yeah, its incredible. Gene Failz's ego was so bad that he deleted any constructive comments on that film's Youtube page. If you go in with the attitude of "its a bit of a laugh, we're having fun" then you can make it work. I watched some of the requiem abortion last night and staggers me how bad it was executed. This Kingdom Come fanfilm turd's weakest point was the guy's accent ;D - but at least he looked OK |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 20, 2013 15:21:49 GMT -5
I daresay everyone has made a mistake in their lives- but the internet guarantees there's little forgiving or forgetting. Fortunately, the real world has such misery, I imagine making a bad fan film becomes less of a crime over time compared to other things..... |
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Post by Scissorpuppy on May 20, 2013 18:26:25 GMT -5
What?
Thee?
Fuck?
What the fuck?
THE FUCK?
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Look at all those people involved? How do you get so many people involved in something that should obviously be bad from the start?
Being in the entertainment industry I've been asked several times to be apart of fan films, I always turn them down. If by the off chance the do end up being watchable, you still can't do anything with it. All that money for nothing? What kind of investment is that?
Do you really think your DSLR superhero "masterpiece" is going to catch a studio execs eyes and make him say "THAT GUY! THAT FUCKEN GUY! HE GETS IT!"
The most impressive fan film I've ever seen is the Spider-Man film from 1992. Not because it was all that... But considering the guy make a watchable film with a early 90's VHS camera and VCR to VCR editing is impressive. That film wasn't made for any reason other than to show James Cameron he could be a stunt guy. Although the film didn't end up doing anything for him in the end, because Cameron never made the movie. Who knows if he ever saw the fan film anyways.
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Post by Scissorpuppy on May 20, 2013 18:33:24 GMT -5
Oh man, and this "A film by"... "A so and so Film".... This shit HAS to stop. Nothing turns me off more than that shit. Especially when it's in trailers... Who the fuck are you? You have a camera? Who doesn't in this day and age?
It's like... These guys don't even understand the importance of the credit, they just use it cause they have seen real movie trailers that use a director's noteworthy name for promotion purposes.
I don't care if it's fan filmmakers, indi filmmakers... Earn your fucking title. I don't care if you wrote and directed it. Has some fucking respect for your crew! A crew who probably worked for free. Wait until you've actually done something noteworthy before you start with the "Auteur" theory bullshit. It's egotistical, narcissistic and pretty disrespectful to the people who bust their ass for your project. You get a director credit, leave it at that.
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Post by SupermanUF on May 20, 2013 18:41:52 GMT -5
Oh man, and this "A film by"... "A so and so Film".... This shit HAS to stop. Nothing turns me off more than that shit. Especially when it's in trailers... Who the fuck are you? You have a camera? Who doesn't in this day and age? It's like... These guys don't even understand the importance of the credit, they just use it cause they have seen real movie trailers that use a director's noteworthy name for promotion purposes. I don't care if it's fan filmmakers, indi filmmakers... Earn your fucking title. I don't care if you wrote and directed it. Has some fucking respect for your crew! A crew who probably worked for free. Wait until you've actually done something noteworthy before you start with the "Auteur" theory bullshit. It's egotistical, narcissistic and pretty disrespectful to the people who bust their ass for your project. You get a director credit, leave it at that. slow clap. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 20, 2013 18:49:55 GMT -5
The odds of those 'in the biz' becoming successful directors seem SO remote--- let alone a 'fan' director who isn't in the biz- do the credits really matter at all on a youtube video? I hear what you're saying, but I think I've just seen so many childish struggles on different indie projects behind the scenes (where it's different persons at fault in different situations) that whoever actually takes it to the finish line seems to 'deserve' it, for whatever the credit is really worth, as it probably is doomed to youtube for life (if that). Fan projects by its very nature I think are egotistical and narcisstic (I've done one, so I'm not excluding myself at all in the big ego/self-delusion accusation).... humility comes soon enough once the credit card bills come in for said films (not to mention internet criticism).... |
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Post by Scissorpuppy on May 20, 2013 21:05:08 GMT -5
Well I guess it depends on what the "Film by" or "A Film" credit means to you...
I guess if your the guy who pays for the film you can give yourself whatever credit you want...
The big issue I have with fan films, is they insult the audience. Let me be clear, people who make good films (or bad films that at least look professional) have learned to do so with hard work, trial and error and possibly even blood, sweat and tears. Giving yourself a "Prestige" credit on a project that is amateur is laughable. It automatically turns off a large group of people who might watch your project for the heck of it. If more fan films were presented as "Hey, check it out. I love this character and ya know, I'm obviously not at a professional level yet. But I love this character and figured I'd give it a shot." instead of trying to pass themselves off as something they are not, more people wouldn't give them so much shit.
When you put yourself out there as a professional with amateur work , you can expect to get shit for it. People really need to be more objective about the end product they produce. So many of these projects are not made by people who have a burning desire to do anything original, they only know how to emulate what they have seen (right down to the fucking credits), the problem is you can't emulate a 100 million dollar film with a free crew, bare bones budget and actors who can't act. So no matter what the "Auteurs" vision is, it won't happen. So the whole thing ends up being a joke.
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Post by Jimbo on May 20, 2013 21:14:47 GMT -5
Pup speaks my mind often. This is one of those times.
"unwarranted self-importance"
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Post by Scissorpuppy on May 20, 2013 21:22:03 GMT -5
Say I want a fence painted and I'm not a great painter but I pay for the paint. Then I find a bunch hardworking "friends" who will paint my fence, they will paint it to the best of their ability, they do the best job they can do. They paint it far better than I ever could on my own... They do it for free...
Would it be right to call it A Fence by Scissorpuppy? or A Scissorpuppy Fence?
Filmmaking is not writing a song, it's not painting a picture. In some cases it's art, but in almost all cases it's creative. Films/Tv/Video production takes a great group of people working together to accomplish a common goal. Far to often in the indi world does a person who happens to be the director take all the credit for the awesome work others bring to the table, and if those others are bringing that work to your project for free, it's insulting to say the entire film is BY YOU. Regardless who paid for the codpieces.
There are some cases where the vision is so unique that the project is all about the director. But in most cases you'll find "A film by" credit is a marketing tool for well known filmmakers to bring in fans of previous work. I don't mind the film by credit when used properly, but you'll be hard pressed to ever convince me a fan film director deserves it.
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But seriously, they seem like nice folks.
