Kingdom Come fanfilm turd!

[crazy_asian_man]

It automatically turns off a large group of people who might watch your project for the heck of it. If more fan films were presented as "Hey, check it out. I love this character and ya know, I'm obviously not at a professional level yet. But I love this character and figured I'd give it a shot." instead of trying to pass themselves off as something they are not, more people wouldn't give them so much shit.

I get what you're saying, but I doubt ANY fan film has any real weight in the long run. Even the best ones that get respect, get overshadowed by 'the real thing' nowadays. If the cast/crew don't care what the credit is, (*assuming this is the case- ) why should anyone else? is my thought.

The first time I saw anything like that credit was on STM.

John Landis didn't mention Donner by name, but in an interview around the time frame, he seemed to suggest Donner's 'A Richard Donner Film' credit wasn't fair to the crew who worked on it.

I don't take these things that seriously- The only thought in my mind when I saw Donner's credit was: "This guy is REALLY proud of the final product and he doesn't mind getting the full pie in the face if it sucks. I already know he didn't do it alone, because there's 5-10 minutes of crazy credits at the end."

I think the same thing on any film where it says 'A so and so film'-to me it's a given that he/she didn't do it himself.

[Scissorpuppy]

Yeah, the credit seemed to first start to appear in the 1970's. And it just sort of became the norm in the 1980's. It's a given now that directors get the credit. It started out being given to certain types of directors, then directors who started to gain a fanbase/audience. Now anyone who ever directs a film gets it.

Regardless if the cast/crew cares, or if the viewer is aware that it's obvious more people took part in making the film, I just feel it's wrong for one person take a credit that diminishes everyone's contributions. Especially at the level of a small indie or fan film.

Does a store manager who overseas the entire operation get his name before the stores name? For instance... Sam Walton corp presents - A Bubba McGee Store - Wal-Mart - Managed by Bubba McGee

In the end, it doesn't really matter. Your right, who cares if some fan filmmakers think they deserve a credit. It's not the credit that bothers me, so much as the thinking behind it. I've made several 35MM shorts, directed music videos and such. At some point in the future I hope to make a feature film. You'll see my name as Director, you'll see my production company listed, but A film by credit won't appear. I just don't feel the need to take away from others talent, making a feature film is a joint effort regardless of how much influence a particular director has over it.

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You guys must absolutely shit all over John Carpenter's credit system ...

[crazy_asian_man]

In the end, it doesn't really matter. Your right, who cares if some fan filmmakers think they deserve a credit. It's not the credit that bothers me, so much as the thinking behind it. I've made several 35MM shorts, directed music videos and such. At some point in the future I hope to make a feature film. You'll see my name as Director, you'll see my production company listed, but A film by credit won't appear. I just don't feel the need to take away from others talent, making a feature film is a joint effort regardless of how much influence a particular director has over it.

That's awesome, dude! Those are amazing accomplishments! I wish you great luck to make a feature in the future.

I have friends & aquaintences that have been art directors, storyboard artists, and such for the blockbuster Hollywood films- but only one got as far as directing a feature for Showtime years ago & did music videos.... but I don't think he got as far as a theatrical release.

If you've made 35mm shorts- I think it's safe to say (though I have no proof, but a big feeling) you're in a far far higher category than the ones that generally make fan films. Fan films that I've seen at this point seem like they are generally one step above a home movie--- but it's so easy to squash a personal project or humiliate someone for trying, that I give them a lot of latitude criticism-wise. ((Or at least leave the personal stuff out of it))

My thinking is- If they're really serious about Hollywood, I'd assume that they would throw everything in their car and drive on down there.... but it seems that a number feel that Hollywood will come to them because of a fan film, and they of course will get a wake up call when the phone doesn't ring.... why make it worse for them?*


Bottom line: Fan films (for the most part)= home movies with delusions of grandeur.* My take is: dreams all fall apart, let them have the 'a film by' if it makes him/her feel better. After all, who else besides him/her (and the creditors) is going to remember his/her film a month from then?

[Scissorpuppy]

Anyone who spends the time to try and put something on "film" ( it's so strange using that term now), deserves some credit. It's not easy, and anyone in their right mind would at least realize that after everything is said and done.

As far as my work goes, I make a living doing it. I do commercials and some music videos on the side. I spent time in L.A. and found myself working on all kinds of projects. I found it was fun, but I wasn't getting the opportunities I wanted. Hard work counts in any career, for sure. But luck is the greatest thing you can hope for in Hollywood. That and the strike drying up my work sources made me leave. I've never been a lucky person, Unlucky? no. But those "Oh my god, how the fuck did this happen to me?" kind of luck? noway.

I've had several features come very close to happening, but it really comes down to money. Even if budgets have been sliced in half dude to the digital age, it still costs a great deal of money. I've never had the luck of meeting a legit investor, the few I have dealt with ended up being full of shit. People who have read some of my work tell me it's wonderful, but I'm my own worst critic, so I don't self promote that much. Certainly not as much as I should.

So it pains me to see a film I've been fighting to get off the ground for a few years not come to pass, while somehow there are people spending boatloads of cash on fan films ;D

[Scissorpuppy]

May 21, 2013 23:23:37 GMT -5 @bamabrad said:

You guys must absolutely shit all over John Carpenter's credit system ...

;D
Carpenter's credit doesn't bother me, because he started out writing, producing, scoring and directing his films. His name became a marketing tool.

[crazy_asian_man]

Anyone who spends the time to try and put something on "film" ( it's so strange using that term now), deserves some credit. It's not easy, and anyone in their right mind would at least realize that after everything is said and done.

As far as my work goes, I make a living doing it. I do commercials and some music videos on the side. I spent time in L.A. and found myself working on all kinds of projects. I found it was fun, but I wasn't getting the opportunities I wanted. Hard work counts in any career, for sure. But luck is the greatest thing you can hope for in Hollywood. That and the strike drying up my work sources made me leave. I've never been a lucky person, Unlucky? no. But those "Oh my god, how the fuck did this happen to me?" kind of luck? noway.

I've had several features come very close to happening, but it really comes down to money. Even if budgets have been sliced in half dude to the digital age, it still costs a great deal of money. I've never had the luck of meeting a legit investor, the few I have dealt with ended up being full of shit. People who have read some of my work tell me it's wonderful, but I'm my own worst critic, so I don't self promote that much. Certainly not as much as I should.

So it pains me to see a film I've been fighting to get off the ground for a few years not come to pass, while somehow there are people spending boatloads of cash on fan films

Wow.... I know this is getting off-topic, but... do you have a blog or such for those of us interested to hear more about your film experiences (if you felt comfortable sharing it)?

I've had acquaintences actually get some projects rolling with Kickstarter- (or at least financing) are you doing any kickstarter plans for your feature? If so, maybe a few of us here could throw a few dollars that way if you announced it.... worth a try perhaps?

[ye5man]

May 21, 2013 23:23:37 GMT -5 @bamabrad said:

You guys must absolutely shit all over John Carpenter's credit system ...

It happens on TV here in the UK too. Some "name" does a documentary and their name is used. Caroline Quentin, Sarah Beeny and Alan Titmarch (for UKers) are worst examples.

The self importance drives me nuts.

The Gene Failz film credit was unforgivable. The twat even came to this board promoting his name. I wonder what's he's doing now, 18 months later? Probably flipping burgers somewhere.

[crazy_asian_man]

It happens on TV here in the UK too. Some "name" does a documentary and their name is used. Caroline Quentin, Sarah Beeny and Alan Titmarch (for UKers) are worst examples.

The self importance drives me nuts.

The Gene Failz film credit was unforgivable. The twat even came to this board promoting his name. I wonder what's he's doing now, 18 months later? Probably flipping burgers somewhere.

Eh. Maybe it's from knowing enough people that actually go from bragging about how they'll get 'x', 'y', and 'z' done, but never actually complete anything that I'm impressed if they actually shoot anything and get it done. I don't expect it to be any good, let alone compete with professional entertainments.

Gene Faliz failed but he got it done. So did Ed Wood. It's not the worst crime in human history, no?

With this economy, I know a lot of professionals that now have to flip burgers as well as juggle 2-3 jobs to feed their family, work is work...

[ye5man]

It's not the worst crime in human history

Ed Wood's films are, even for the wrong reasons, entertaining. His films have a sense of seriousness and earnestness which is what gives them the entertainment value. Failz's "film" oddly is guilty of the exact same thing, but it came across as self satisfied and smug.

I think its the way the film was marketed "a film produced by professionals" that gave it bad vibes from the start. There is an recent entertaining fan film I recall, done by semi professionals, illustrating the "death of Superman" comic story-line. Yet it never took itself seriously.

[Jimbo]

Plus whenever these things dedicate themselves to the memory of Reeve, etc, it comes off as a shameless attempt at legitimacy. I doubt Reeve would have watched it.

[ye5man]

I looked t Failz's IMDB earlier. Hilarity of the trivia. I have boldened the most fascinating tidbits.

Named his motion picture production company 'Cupsogue Pictures' after visiting Cupsogue beach in Westhampton, New York, whilst location scouting for the upcoming picture 'Flight 800' (2014).

Has one son, Peter Blake Fallaize born in 2007.

Named his son Peter after his Grandfather, and his own middle name.

Is an actual Reverend, and is licensed to perform all the duties of a Reverend in the state of California. He cameoed as 'Reverend Gene Fallaize' in Monkeyshine (2008) as himself, which meant the credit was totally genuine.

He based the story for Let's Just Do It (2012) on several real-life events of his own. He wrote the script basing it those events, but as a far more famous producer under the name of 'Peter Blake', which are the forenames of his real-life son.

Prefers to fly with American Airlines and British Airways.

His favorite film of all time is The Shawshank Redemption (1994), followed closely by The Elephant Man (1980) and Back to the Future (1985).

Is a big fan of UK chocolate bar 'Wispa', produced by Cadburys, and always maintains a personal stock level since the brand was re-released in 2008. During his time in L.A., he receives shipments from the U.K.

Is a qualified Alpine skier at black diamond level.

Owner of production company Cupsogue Pictures.

Is a big enthusiast of space exploration, especially lunar based, including the Apollo missions and the upcoming Orion Moon missions.

Grew up on the island of Guernsey in the Channel Islands.

Born in the town of Kettering in Northamptonshire, England, but moved to the island of Guernsey at the age of four with his parents.

His younger brother Ben Fallaize is a special effects make-up artist.

Nominated for 'Outstanding Freelancer Award' at the 2009 Production Base Freelancer Of The Year Awards.

Nominated for Best Picture for Monkeyshine (2008) at the 2009 Star Awards in Chicago.

When filming wrapped on Superman: Requiem (2011), he kept just two items from the production; the green 'Father Crystal' prop that Kal-El uses to call upon his Mother at the end of the movie, and one full Superman 'hero' costume, which he has on display at his home in England.

[Jimbo]

"Prefers to fly with American Airlines and British Airways."

;D WTF?

This guy has five "movies" in pre-production for 2013-2014. Pace yourself, man.

[ye5man]

His investors must be full-on retards who can count to potato