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Post by EnriqueH on Jun 16, 2013 12:47:00 GMT -5
Which do you prefer?
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Post by monkeymagic on Jun 16, 2013 14:44:05 GMT -5
Dumb question time, is that the official 'Superman 2' or the 'Superman 2 Richard Donner Cut'?
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Post by El Presidente on Jun 16, 2013 14:55:58 GMT -5
Its obviously the Restored International Cut
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Post by Matt in the Hat on Jul 25, 2013 1:31:04 GMT -5
Mos.
Tops backwards skating guy any day, Aka Lesticle version.
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Post by EnriqueH on Jul 25, 2013 7:19:05 GMT -5
Matt, your only feeling was contempt for our society. Your only desire was to command. Shane, your only feeling was for your vicious general, your only wish to rule at his side. Kris, you are without thought as you are without voice.
This board has to hesitation in proclaiming you...all...
GUILTY
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GUILTY
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Post by MerM on Jul 25, 2013 14:16:13 GMT -5
*points to avatar and signature*
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Post by Metallo on Jul 25, 2013 14:31:48 GMT -5
Wow. I've never heard him say that before. It seems especially relevant now.
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Post by Jimbo on Jul 25, 2013 15:11:48 GMT -5
Shame on me for not noticing that quote.  Superman II for me, in either its extended (ABC only) or theatrical form. Even with the stupid slapstick. |
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Post by ye5man on Jul 25, 2013 15:27:20 GMT -5
There's a lot more to Superman 2 than some daft slapstick shots  |
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Post by Metallo on Jul 25, 2013 16:48:27 GMT -5
SII makes me think all those claims of people not ever being able to relate to Superman are poorly thought out. II's story is one of those where he's the most flawed and relatable he's ever been. He makes a selfish but understandable mistake. We've all had feelings similar to his in II. We've all asked why we couldn't have what we want.
Reeve played a very understandable Superman in the film while at the same time being a very charismatic and emotionally well rounded Superman. He touches on a lot of emotional levels in II and that's one thing thats always made Reeve's Superman the most interesting and engaging to me.
If Reeve's Superman had been some perfect god he wouldn't have been blinded or distracted by such human desires.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2013 18:25:41 GMT -5
SII makes me think all those claims of people not ever being able to relate to Superman are poorly thought out. II's story is one of those where he's the most flawed and relatable he's ever been. He makes a selfish but understandable mistake. We've all had feelings similar to his in II. We've all asked why we couldn't have what we want. Reeve played a very understandable Superman in the film while at the same time being a very charismatic and emotionally well rounded Superman. He touches on a lot of emotional levels in II and that's one thing thats always made Reeve's Superman the most interesting and engaging to me. If Reeve's Superman had been some perfect god he wouldn't have been blinded or distracted by such human desires. Only little fucking idiots who can't think for themselves say that. I heard this countless times in the build up to and indeed after MOS. It's like someone said it so all these little pricks got on board. Yeah, apparently these spotty little spunk sponges can all relate to a billionaire playboy who's parents were gunned down right in front of him, and a billionaire businessman like Tony Stark |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jul 26, 2013 11:21:41 GMT -5
I'm a bit shocked that this poll is as close as it is- Not that people aren't entitled (of course) to have whatever reactions they have to both films--- but I think I had just assumed that STM/SII was not only the gold standard (for the most part) for Superman films, but for superhero films in general- or at least close to on the forum. But, then again, seeing the 'top ten' superhero list from folks here on another thread also threw me for a loop. One person's gold is another person's...uh...not gold.  |
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Post by Metallo on Jul 26, 2013 12:19:52 GMT -5
I think SIIs stock has dropped a bit in the last few years as people have learned more about its production and as people have gotten older. Its still good but some start to realize how great it COULD have been. As a kid II was my favorite but as an adult I've come to appreciate STM far more. The older I got the more glaring IIs problems became.
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Post by EnriqueH on Jul 26, 2013 12:34:40 GMT -5
It's flaws are more apparent now that I'm older, but its strengths are unbelievably strong.
Superman II understands who and what Superman is and executes accordingly.
When I stop to think what a clusterfuck the production was, it's amazing that its much more entertaining and powerful than anything Singer or Snyder could come up with.
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Post by Jimbo on Jul 26, 2013 12:35:11 GMT -5
I think SIIs stock has dropped a bit in the last few years as people have learned more about its production and as people have gotten older. Its still good but some start to realize how great it COULD have been. As a kid II was my favorite but as an adult I've come to appreciate STM far more. The older I got the more glaring IIs problems became. The stock went down for me after learning of the drama behind the scenes and all the deleted material. But now, the stock is back up as I can enjoy it for what it is. Hey, at the time, Roger Ebert thought it was better than STM. Who am I to disagree with Roger Ebert? |
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Post by Metallo on Jul 26, 2013 13:14:50 GMT -5
I agree. At a certain point I can watch it and come to terms with IIs issues be used its still a damn good movie. It has something to offer that's special and despite its issues it handles the things that need to be handled properly very well It's flaws are more apparent now that I'm older, but its strengths are unbelievably strong. Superman II understands who and what Superman is and executes accordingly. When I stop to think what a clusterfuck the production was, it's amazing that its much more entertaining and powerful than anything Singer or Snyder could come up with. Ditto. It's amazing that its as good as it is. The good in II FAR outweighs the bad and some of the good can even be credited to Lester. II doesn't sell out the character or mythology as a whole or apologize or look down its nose over Superman being a fantastical character. And it manages to do that while still being a pretty well done film with strong characters. For example...this Lois might do less than some others but Kidder and co understand exactly who Lois Lane is on a personal level. |
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Post by atp on Jul 26, 2013 13:19:18 GMT -5
S3 has gone up in my eyes over the years.
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Post by Jimbo on Jul 26, 2013 13:24:47 GMT -5
Who'd a thought. The movie that was compromised by shoehorning an A-list comedian into it for no good reason to dominate the plot is also the movie that had the smoothest production. Superman movie productions have a history of becoming a clusterfuck when they try too hard. Superman III did not have that problem. |
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Post by Metallo on Jul 26, 2013 13:41:36 GMT -5
Well III was the one that had their guys doing it their way. They were on the same page with Lester. Of course that gave us arguably the weakest Superman movie too. That says a lot about the collaborative process and why its sometimes important to have another voice challenging certain things. The SIII kind of production also gave us the prequels. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jul 31, 2013 14:21:14 GMT -5
After SR missed out on a sequel, I thiink I'm just incredibly grateful that we got to see HALF of what Donner intended for SII, at least. Still, I'm hoping (against hope) that WB eventually releases the IRC in widescreen dvd quality. If David Lynch's tv cut (under no real pressure from fans from what I could tell) could get that kind of release, I imagine it's not impossible--- if dvds become the thing that studios bend towards more again (versus streaming). heck, even Superigrl got a director's cut on dvd..... and one would be hard pressed to find giant fans of that film.... |
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