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Post by monkeymagic on Jun 16, 2013 15:57:24 GMT -5
Whilst Man of Steel is out, the Guardian yesterday in their entertainment section printed a brief guide to those who played Superman. For some reason they 'forgot' to include Kirk Alyn and also had a image of Tom Welling in the outfit. Tom Welling never wore the outfit and it seems that Kirk Alyn gets overlooked quite a lot. I noticed this when Superman Returns was initially released that Kirk Alyn was omitted from a lot of publications talking about who has played Superman before. Anyone else here feel it a bit of a shame that Kirk Alyn doesn't get the recognition he deserves?
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Post by EnriqueH on Jun 16, 2013 16:16:08 GMT -5
I still haven't seen the Kirk Alyn serials even though I've owned them on DVD for some time. I also had a few of them taped from cable from the 80s. I never got around to seeing those either.
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Post by Metallo on Jun 16, 2013 16:17:51 GMT -5
Whilst Man of Steel is out, the Guardian yesterday in their entertainment section printed a brief guide to those who played Superman. For some reason they 'forgot' to include Kirk Alyn and also had a image of Tom Welling in the outfit. Tom Welling never wore the outfit and it seems that Kirk Alyn gets overlooked quite a lot. I noticed this when Superman Returns was initially released that Kirk Alyn was omitted from a lot of publications talking about who has played Superman before. Anyone else here feel it a bit of a shame that Kirk Alyn doesn't get the recognition he deserves? Yeah. While his work is lesser known and didn't reach the masses the way AOS or STM did by breaking new ground on their respective media Alyn shouldn't least get a mention by the virtue of being the first live action superman on a screen. That stuff annoys me a tiny bit. Like when even before Welling's Clark put on the suit he would be listed with previous Supermen while Newton and Christopher were excluded. Those guys were more "Superman" than Welling was before that last episode. Is Alyn on that recent cover that excluded Routh? |
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Post by EnriqueH on Jun 16, 2013 16:24:59 GMT -5
So Routh = Lazenby
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Post by Metallo on Jun 16, 2013 16:33:11 GMT -5
Pretty much. Superman Returns reminded me a lot of Never Say Never Again too. Val Kilmer's kinda become the Routh of Batmen in terms of being glossed over. It's strange since Batman Forever did make money. Clooneys turn as Batman is at least remembered for infamous reasons. Batman Returns is kind of the License To Kill of the series.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jun 16, 2013 17:21:45 GMT -5
I'm not as familiar with Bond fans' reactions..... is License to To Kill viewed favorably or unfavorably among them?
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Post by Metallo on Jun 16, 2013 17:26:16 GMT -5
I always thought some fans were divided on it? Some thought LTK was too dark and violent. It made less money and we ended up getting a soft relaunch of the series with a newer younger actor with more mainstream appeal? Sounds like a certain Bat sequel I know.
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Post by thecolorsblend on Jun 16, 2013 17:26:40 GMT -5
I've been saying this for years. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2013 17:30:45 GMT -5
Routh = Indian Superman  |
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Post by rexreed on Jun 16, 2013 22:51:58 GMT -5
When publications leave out Kirk Alyn or someone of the like then they just lost all credibility with me. Yahoo had an annoying link to an online article that described SIV as "not having access to the rear screen projection" used in previous films. That one irked me too.
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Post by monkeymagic on Jun 17, 2013 4:43:45 GMT -5
Metallo, you raised a good point about James Newton and Gerard Christopher. I hadn't thought about them, but as you mention it they also deserve to be mentioned in articles about actors who have played Superman. Although it could be argued that 'technically' they aren't Superman as they only played 'Superboy' but that's not the point....
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2013 4:45:30 GMT -5
Someone got me the serials on DVD, and I've tried many times to watch, but I always lose interest around the fifth chapter of the first. Never finished them. I also received the Batman serials. I never finished the first, but I did make it through the second. I made it all the way through The Shadow serial.
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Post by ye5man on Jun 17, 2013 6:37:17 GMT -5
It took me a few tries to make it through that first serial. The 2nd one is much better. From the first episode you know they are making up for the averageness of the first. Jimmy Olsen gets knocked out so often that its hard not to LOL when it happens again
Routh is deffo the Lazenby of the series, except OHMSS is considered a masterpiece by just about everybody - and it was an original story.
LOL Kris!
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Post by Metallo on Jun 17, 2013 9:01:10 GMT -5
I guess this only counts for movies. If Routh is Lazenby what does that make Cain? Welling is the James Bond Jr of the franchise.
It's interesting that we're talking Bond and Superheroes. I watched The Batman serial a while back and while Lewis Wilson is a fantastic Wayne he's a weak Batman. And he needed a girdle. Badly.
If you guys are watching serials I'd suggest not watching several chapters in one sitting. They were never intended to be viewed that way. Think of serials like tv shows on the big screen. I've always seen the adventure serials as a forerunner to saturday morning television series. Usually watch one or two serial chapters a day if I watch one. Some of them are monsters at like three to four hours long.
As for Alyn I think the reason he and Newton and a Christopher usually get left out is because even though the shows and serials were successful they weren't as successful as some other incarnations and didn't have as much mainstream exposure. It's even more true in the years after they ended because The Serials and Superboy haven't been as accessible for later generations with rereleases rebroadcast and reruns they way the Reeve films Lois & Clark and The Adventures of Superman have been. The Adventures of Superman probably never left the worldwide airwaves after it ended. Once Superboy ended it pretty much immediately disappeared from the airwaves in most countries for reasons we all know.
That and most writers aero lazy to do the research to look up actors they don't know about or never saw on tv. Since they know most of the public doesn't know about them either they probably don't feel the need to bother.
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Post by Jor-L5150 on Jun 17, 2013 9:39:28 GMT -5
Metallo is right- serials are meant to be spread out- which is why there is overlap (teasers for next ep/recap of last ep).
Sometimes studios would re-edit serials into a straight linear film- I've wondered if any faneditor ever did that for superman.
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