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Post by atp on Jul 7, 2013 5:41:10 GMT -5
Neither were perfect. Which do you think was better?
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Post by Metallo on Jul 7, 2013 7:33:50 GMT -5
It's almost a dead heat for me. MOSs problems were more spread out while SRs were more fundamental. I think MOSs were more easily fixable though. They both tried some new stuff though and even though it didn't always work I respect taking chances.
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SR vs MoS
Jul 7, 2013 7:41:37 GMT -5
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Post by EnriqueH on Jul 7, 2013 7:41:37 GMT -5
My gut reaction is to vote MoS, but you know what's funny?
When I first saw SR, I thought it was great. Sure, I wish Lex was more the contemporary version and I wished there would've been a supervillain, but I loved it.
Saw it 3-4 times in the theater.
Then after it came out on video, it's flaws became more glaring and I don't like it as much.
With MoS, I didn't walk out loving it but I did consider it an improvement over SR. But I guess you could say I enjoyed SR more on initial viewing, which is weird to say.
I've still only seen MoS once, so I wonder---with repeat viewings---where I will rank it once the excitement wears off.
Still, I think I'm voting MoS.
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SR vs MoS
Jul 7, 2013 7:52:41 GMT -5
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Post by atp on Jul 7, 2013 7:52:41 GMT -5
I voted MoS. It isnt enormously better than SR but at least it is something totally fresh.
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SR vs MoS
Jul 7, 2013 8:53:45 GMT -5
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Post by EnriqueH on Jul 7, 2013 8:53:45 GMT -5
Sticking to the Donnerverse is not what hurt SR, IMO.
It was a combination of: a) rehashing the real estate scheme b) not updating Luthor to the CEO/Gordon Gekko type c) no supervillain d) not enough action to balance out the drama
He should've taken more of the Incredible Hulk approach.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2013 16:33:14 GMT -5
Fewer. Fewer problems. Jesus.  |
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Post by Jimbo on Jul 7, 2013 21:20:06 GMT -5
Fewer. Fewer problems. Jesus. +1 |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2013 21:40:46 GMT -5
I'm editing a novel right now and on the verge of crying, Jim. It's rough.
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SR vs MoS
Jul 7, 2013 21:48:18 GMT -5
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Post by EnriqueH on Jul 7, 2013 21:48:18 GMT -5
Bradley/Jimbo, I really enjoy your posts, but I have to say that this time....I'm not sure I follow. Are you just trying to say that MoS had much much fewer problems than SR? Please elaborate as I am interested in your thoughts on the matter.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2013 22:11:43 GMT -5
Bradley/Jimbo, I really enjoy your posts, but I have to say that this time....I'm not sure I follow. Are you just trying to say that MoS had much much fewer problems than SR? Please elaborate as I am interested in your thoughts on the matter. Jesus wept.  |
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SR vs MoS
Jul 7, 2013 22:43:58 GMT -5
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Post by EnriqueH on Jul 7, 2013 22:43:58 GMT -5
Ooooook.
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Post by Melv on Jul 7, 2013 23:02:27 GMT -5
Bradley/Jimbo, I really enjoy your posts, but I have to say that this time....I'm not sure I follow. Are you just trying to say that MoS had much much fewer problems than SR? Please elaborate as I am interested in your thoughts on the matter. It was the use of the word 'less' rather than 'fewer' in the OP that was being remarked upon. 'Fewer' is correct grammar. |
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SR vs MoS
Jul 7, 2013 23:04:21 GMT -5
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Post by EnriqueH on Jul 7, 2013 23:04:21 GMT -5
Glad someone around here speaks English.
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Post by Jimbo on Jul 7, 2013 23:18:34 GMT -5
Grammar is important. But to answer the original question, I think MOS has fewer problems.
MOS's only big problem going forward is if they try to sell the audience that Clark can still maintain a secret identity. It looks like it has to be an Iron Man-like situation because Clark/Kal-El has all but given away his identity to the whole world. It'd be a gigantic plot hole if it's not common knowledge that Clark Kent = Superman in the sequel.
With SR, its big problem would be the continued baggage of Lois with another guy, and especially the child. No sequel of SR could be its own thing because it would be stuck with having to continue that plotline, unless they write it out like a TV show or Alien 3. Seeing a "you are not the father" situation with Richard White in a superhero movie would be a joke.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2013 0:08:18 GMT -5
Glad someone around here speaks English. "English, motherfucker, do you speak it?" Yeah, I'm just fucking around because of the grammar. |
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Post by atp on Jul 8, 2013 0:59:31 GMT -5
I agree, the grammar was poor. It should indeed have been "fewer" and not "less."
I should probably have just gone with my original title, which was, "Which is less crap?"
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2013 2:31:11 GMT -5
The lesser of two craps?
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Post by cypher85 on Jul 8, 2013 11:49:18 GMT -5
MOS by a fucking mile. No competition.
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Jul 8, 2013 11:55:11 GMT -5
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Post by EnriqueH on Jul 8, 2013 11:55:11 GMT -5
Who voted SR?  I'd love to hear their POV. |
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Post by Jor-L5150 on Jul 11, 2013 20:37:18 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2013 4:02:26 GMT -5
Guess I'll die a grammar Nazi.
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Post by Jimbo on Jul 12, 2013 11:40:56 GMT -5
Guess I'll die a grammar Nazi. So will me.  |
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Post by Metallo on Jul 12, 2013 12:24:33 GMT -5
Bizarro Jimbo?
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Post by atp on Jul 27, 2013 13:19:24 GMT -5
Even though I enjoyed MoS more than I enjoyed SR, I have a hunch that SR is going to fare better in the years/decades to come.
I suspect that in 15-20 years time, SR is going to be like OHMSS. People are going to revisit it and rediscover it. Bizarrely, I think it may even end up as a cult classic. It will have a place in history, like OHMSS or Somewhere in Time.
On the other hand, I don't really see MoS as having a significant place in movie history. 15-20 years from now, people will probably think of it the way we now think of Independence Day.
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Post by Jimbo on Jul 27, 2013 15:11:58 GMT -5
It needs a new master first. It's too brown to enjoy.
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