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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2013 17:39:44 GMT -5
I finished my second reading today. Not much to do on the traction table, so ... Anyway, the novelization is by Greg Cox, who has a long list of these things. Whatever script he got to use was the final script. Dialogue is word for word, plot is the exact same, as is scene arrangement. In other words, Snyder/Goyer didn't fuck him over like Singer did to Marv Wolfman, who didn't know that Jason was Superman's kid and had an alternate scene for the death of Brutus the henchman. The prose Cox inserted between script dialogue, or the action sequences, are also spot-on. Seems like the filmmakers had a clear idea of the action scenes early and didn't improvise at all in filming or editing. Be aware, Cox inserts a lot of corny writing when he has to make up prose beyond the script. Lots of secondary characters react to Clark and think "What the devil?" Seriously, who the fuck thinks like that? Who in blazes talks like that? Oh, fuck, I just did. Cox must be from the fabulous Fifties of comic book dialogue. It's really corny at times and really dampers the "this is what would happen FOR REALS if Superman was on Earth" serious tone the filmmakers wanted. You just can't have it both ways. But, I've mentioned before that a few things are clarified, like where did the suit come from? The ship contained an armory and supply room, and there were multiple skin suits, battle armors, capes, and coats in a variety of colors and styles. Clark picked out the blue/red version because he liked it. That wasn't what was filmed, obviously. The S crest doubled as the El crest and the symbol of hope (hope was their symbol), and it's on the suits just like a soldier has his nation's flag somewhere on his uniform. Other questions? Feel free to ask. I liked the extra information about the dragonfly and its bionic wings The book even gives the dragonfly a name, like a pet. |
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Post by ChrisM on Aug 12, 2013 12:32:34 GMT -5
Saw it once, no desire to see it again until it comes out on cable when I'll have had time to cleanse the palette and give it an honest 2nd viewing.
A few things:
IMAX 3D - what was the point of the 3D? If I'm going to suffer with those heavy goggles, it better be worth it.
Aside from the somber tone of the film and the overlong climax, I keep going back to some scenes that seemed totally pointless:
1 - the dragonfly sequence. Why? It does NOTHING to advance the story. Action for the sake of action. It's like the executioner footage in STM extended.
2 - the droid guarding the spaceship when Lois Lane discovers it. And the ensuing "fight". Oh my heavens this is stupid.
3 - the tornado scene. Aside from the meteorological absurdity of it all, this is still just horribly executed. Suicide so your pet dog can live.
4 - tentacles. Any movie with tentacles that are not attached to a squid or octopus is just bad sci-fi. Action for the sake of action.
5 - singularity. Sci-fi mumbo jumbo to make the plot sound more sophisticated. It ends up making no sense. When punching things isn't enough, we need to confuse them.
A smart editor would have taken all that crap out of the final cut. The story and pacing would be more streamlined and purposeful. It still would be dour but hey you can only change so much.
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Post by atp on Aug 12, 2013 12:59:01 GMT -5
Saw it once, no desire to see it again until it comes out on cable when I'll have had time to cleanse the palette and give it an honest 2nd viewing. A few things: IMAX 3D - what was the point of the 3D? If I'm going to suffer with those heavy goggles, it better be worth it. Aside from the somber tone of the film and the overlong climax, I keep going back to some scenes that seemed totally pointless: 1 - the dragonfly sequence. Why? It does NOTHING to advance the story. Action for the sake of action. It's like the executioner footage in STM extended. 2 - the droid guarding the spaceship when Lois Lane discovers it. And the ensuing "fight". Oh my heavens this is stupid. 3 - the tornado scene. Aside from the meteorological absurdity of it all, this is still just horribly executed. Suicide so your pet dog can live. 4 - tentacles. Any movie with tentacles that are not attached to a squid or octopus is just bad sci-fi. Action for the sake of action. 5 - singularity. Sci-fi mumbo jumbo to make the plot sound more sophisticated. It ends up making no sense. When punching things isn't enough, we need to confuse them. A smart editor would have taken all that crap out of the final cut. The story and pacing would be more streamlined and purposeful. It still would be dour but hey you can only change so much. In addition, the whole "codex" thing was pointless too. What did it add? |
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Post by Metallo on Aug 12, 2013 16:58:42 GMT -5
Honestly...I think they could have cut that out. It really didn't make the movies story that much better. It was added to give Zod a stronger motivation but he could have begun a new Krypton without it. Guess the problem was they only had one woman.  The genetic engineering/bred for a purpose part still could have been left in. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2013 19:29:32 GMT -5
Are you suggesting Faora was the Kryptonian door knob?
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Post by Metallo on Aug 12, 2013 19:51:01 GMT -5
Nah...that was Jax-Ur.
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Post by Jor-L5150 on Aug 12, 2013 21:44:14 GMT -5
A casual viewing would very clearly explain that zods indoctrination was to use the codex to filter kryptonian DNA into the caste system he was bred to enforce.
Once he had a world engine he could have facsimilated a krypton-ish world at any time. But his purpose was to use the codex to make a new krypton, in the image of the original, but much more hawkish and reactionary.
The codex was very obviously a semi-religious artifact, the skull of an ancient primitive ancestor that reminded them of their (stagnated) "progress".
Zod and co could not have made a new krypton anymore than pilgrims could have settled the new world without a bible.
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