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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 18, 2013 15:22:09 GMT -5
I know this is a tough one to ask- (as it's speculation about a non-existant film vs. one that exists) and it's not to stir up things:
Now that time has passed, personally, if we had Snyder directing and there was a choice:
Personally, I would have rather that Snyder NOT try to change his visual style (no docucam; return to speed ramps and slo-mo when necessary in his mind)- and have just used Mank's original scripts for STM/S2 as SOURCE material...... (though I'd be totally fine removing the time reversal and Lex's motivation).
To me, Snyder could have had all the visual cool differences for Krypton- but subtract what I felt were a number of weaknesses in Goyer's script.
I'm not at all crazy about reversing time nor Lex as real estate/comic foil- but some of Goyer's choices I felt were worse.
Anyhow- I know this is a tricky one to ask- but I would have much rather have seen a remake by Snyder with his visual touches, than the new script. I know I might be the only one to vote for Snyder working off of Mank's stuff, but just curious where the discussion might lead & what others think....
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Post by Jor-L5150 on Aug 18, 2013 16:30:10 GMT -5
Six of one,
Half a dozen of the other.
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Post by Jimbo on Aug 18, 2013 17:28:32 GMT -5
Uhhh. Snyder wouldn't have touched Mank's script. It doesn't fit his style.
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Post by Metallo on Aug 18, 2013 20:16:30 GMT -5
Uhhh...neither? Like Jimbo said Snyder wouldn't have filmed STM/II scripts as they were anyway. Even if he did a Snyder movie is still a Snyder movie. Style or no style he still doesn't understand more complex ideas and proper storytelling. That's what hurt MOS.
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Post by Jor-L5150 on Aug 18, 2013 20:39:06 GMT -5
You guys...
He would do whatever the heck he was told if he was told.
When it was an option, he turned down superman about twice, then he was handed a suitcase of money and an ultimatum.
He'd do STM.
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Post by EnriqueH on Aug 18, 2013 21:44:05 GMT -5
Scruffy, so morbid. A sentimental replica of a franchise long since vanished.
Not style at all.
Is there any new director that has the balls to go to the trenches with the studio in the belief that they're doing the right thing?
Spielberg went through heck with Jaws. We all know about Donner's battles. I was just reading about how Francis Ford Coppola has ENDLESS battles with Paramount over The Godfather. Coppola wanted Brando, the studio didn't want Brando. Coppola wanted Pacino, the studio didn't want Pacino. Coppola wanted the movie to be closer to the book, but the studio had Puzo write hippies into the script to give it a more contemporary feel. Crazy.
I guess that's why I admire these directors.
You gotta have nerves of steel to be a Hollywood director apparently. No bullshit, I would think I'd crack under all that pressure. We all love movies, and we would all love the chance to be involved in one, or at least I would, but what kind of working environment is that for the director? Wow.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 18, 2013 22:59:23 GMT -5
My first choice has always been SR 2 with Singer- but the question was aimed more if you HAD to have a reboot & Snyder...
I thought most of 300 worked well & at least the visuals were great for Watchmen.With Snyder constrained to Mank's scripts, (and presuming he didn't go docucam style), I would have found more to enjoy.
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Post by Metallo on Aug 19, 2013 0:07:37 GMT -5
You're assuming he would actually understand the material and what it meant enough to translate it to film. Snyder might deliver a film that's way worse than what we think. You guys... He would do whatever the heck he was told if he was told. When it was an option, he turned down superman about twice, then he was handed a suitcase of money and an ultimatum. He'd do STM. Like I said before even if he did do it that doesn't mean it would be any good. I have no desire to see that potential trainwreck. |
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Post by Metallo on Aug 19, 2013 0:11:22 GMT -5
Scruffy, so morbid. A sentimental replica of a franchise long since vanished. Not style at all. Is there any new director that has the balls to go to the trenches with the studio in the belief that they're doing the right thing? Spielberg went through heck with Jaws. We all know about Donner's battles. I was just reading about how Francis Ford Coppola has ENDLESS battles with Paramount over The Godfather. Coppola wanted Brando, the studio didn't want Brando. Coppola wanted Pacino, the studio didn't want Pacino. Coppola wanted the movie to be closer to the book, but the studio had Puzo write hippies into the script to give it a more contemporary feel. Crazy. I guess that's why I admire these directors. You gotta have nerves of steel to be a Hollywood director apparently. No bullshit, I would think I'd crack under all that pressure. We all love movies, and we would all love the chance to be involved in one, or at least I would, but what kind of working environment is that for the director? Wow. Amen. I understand wanting to work in today's fast food filmmaking system but it'll never change unless some directors grow some balls and buck the system. Of to off on their own outside the system and try to make some great films. But it seems like today's investors are unwilling to take the risks either. Guys like Snyder are willing to be the studios bitches. The generation before them pushed the boundaries. I know it might be harder to do now but it explains why Hollywood doesn't have a problem being so creatively stagnant. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 19, 2013 17:23:09 GMT -5
Well.... that's true.
In my head, I'm assuming that his STM/SII version would be similar to Watchmen--- that is, the performances would feel fake under his direction (despite the cast), and all the subtleties wiped out, but still function as a pretty looking big budget fan film.
The reason I'd have chosen a direct remake versus Goyer's script is that there were good ideas here and there in MOS, but ultimately putting the two side by side, I really do think it would have had better results going with a direct Donner/Mank remake.
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Post by Jor-L5150 on Aug 23, 2013 11:50:31 GMT -5
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