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Post by Scissorpuppy on Sept 11, 2013 20:56:49 GMT -5
According to press Robert Zemeckis, Ben Affleck, Darren Aronofsky, Duncan Jones, Jonathan Liebesman, Matt Reeves, and Tony Scott were all considered for the director's chair before WB (probably forcibly) choose Zack Snyder.
Now we also know that some of these guys flat out turned the opportunity down (Duncan Jones, Aronofsky, Affleck). For whatever reason the others didn't make the cut, either by choice or WB felt they were not all that right for the material.
So the question I'm posing is, now that we know the storyline and what Nolan and WB where intialy trying to accomplish, how different do you think the final product would have been with one of these guys at the helm?
Robert Zemeckis
I love this guy and I was rooting for him to get the gig. I didn't care for his lost decade in motion capture purgotory and that probably would have been a bad thing considering all the CGI work needed for MOS, but I think he is an overall
more rounded director and would have been able to handle the non-action scenes better. Still hoping someone wises up and hands this guy a comic book film.
Ben Affleck
At this point it's hard to say just what Affleck would have brought to the film, his previous directorial work doesn't have much in common with huge summer blockbuster style films (Although the Town proves he could handle a TDK style comic book film).
I wonder what Afflecks take on the comic book film would have been? It's something we may end up seeing, and something we will defiantly see as far as his acting career goes.
Darren Aronofsky
Since 2000 comic book fans have been teased several times with Aronofsky helming a comic book film. Batman : Year One, The Wolverine and MOS. I think he's probably more for Batman or Wolverine but dammit if I wouldn't have killed to see his take on Superman.
It probably would have been too "out there" compared to the take WB wanted.
Duncan Jones
Another favorite of mine, but his previous work is smaller scale. This would have probably been good for the dramatic side of things, but the project seemed to big for him and by his own admission was intimidating. Probably for the best, it's possible he
could have buckled under the pressure. Then again, he could have surprised himself and knocked it out of the park.
Jonathan Liebesman
Dodged a bullet here, you would have gotten a insane amount of shaky cam. Probably the most generic director on the list.
Matt Reeves
Another generic choice, his movies aren't bad. But nothing incredibly special either. Probably would have delivered a decent film. But I don't see it being much better than what we got.
Tony Scott
Considering his mental state, it's probably a good thing he didn't get the gig. Scott's signature style changed over the years and his Man of Fire, Domino, Dejavu take wouldn't have worked. If he brought a more classic tone of photography that he used in the 80's and early 90's we would have been in for a treat! Tony Scott never really got into the sci-fi territory the way his brother did, so it makes one wonder what kind of visuals he would bring to the table.
One of the other things to consider if of this list, how many of these guys would have been willing to stick around for a trilogy and spin off films? That also may have come into play when making the final choice. I don't see Zemeckis, Affleck, Scott or Aronofsky spending 10-15 years devoted to something like Superman and the DC universe, especially considering the age directors like Zemeckis and Scott (R.I.P)
Your take?
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Post by EnriqueH on Sept 11, 2013 21:29:06 GMT -5
Interesting topic!
I think Affleck, Zemekis, and Arnovsky would certainly have been better choices than Snyder.
Back when all this was just an idea, I was not against Snyder because I really enjoyed Dawn of the Dead and 300. Watchmen was mediocre, but I gave Snyder a pass because it was a hard comic to translate. When Sucker Punch came out, though, that's when I became VERY concerned. This was his pet project and it was AWFUL. Yeah, it LOOKED good, but there was no emotional investment in the film. And the movie didn't make sense either. Well, we all know how MOS turned out: no matter what WE thought, the consensus among the media was that it was divisive artistically and a financial success, but not the success it was supposed to be.
Even if you wanted to go with the popcorn director, I certainly think there are stronger directors that do what Snyder does but better.
For one, Michael Bay.
Zack Snyder's last two films make me appreciate Bay, flaws and all, because Bay knows how to pull emotional strings. Something BADLY lacking in Snyder's last two efforts. It's manipulative eye candy, but you FEEL something. If nothing, you're turning your brain off and going for the roller coast ride. More importantly, you're part of the roller coaster ride. With Snyder, it's like you're watching OTHER people go on the ride. You're detached from the excitement.
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Post by eccentricbeing on Sept 11, 2013 21:36:02 GMT -5
Trust me...if Michael bay had made Man of Steel, he would be the one everyone would be bitching about. I seriously don't see anything better Bay could've brought to the table.
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Post by EnriqueH on Sept 11, 2013 21:41:46 GMT -5
Trust me...if Michael bay had made Man of Steel, he would be the one everyone would be bitching about. I seriously don't see anything better Bay could've brought to the table. The Rock, Transformers, Bad Boys 1 & 2, and Pain and Gain were all better than anything Snyder has made. |
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Post by Melv on Sept 11, 2013 21:51:35 GMT -5
Trust me...if Michael bay had made Man of Steel, he would be the one everyone would be bitching about. I seriously don't see anything better Bay could've brought to the table. The Rock, Transformers, Bad Boys 1 & 2, and Pain and Gain were all better than anything Snyder has made. Pain & Gain was awful. Bay is equally style over substance but he would also have brought crass humour and his misogynistic tendencies to Superman. That I can certainly do without. We'd have had a lot more flag waving too. Snyder takes his stuff seriously but he is just slightly lacking in the understanding of dramatic subtlety. I'd have loved to see Zemekis' take but he's said he's not interested in superheroes. |
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Post by EnriqueH on Sept 11, 2013 21:55:10 GMT -5
Bay may be flawed, but his movies are pretty consistent with the entertainment, excitement and energy. Sure, it's as dumb as the stereotypical blonde cheerleader, and just as attractive.
MOS was a lullaby, and the fight with Zod was cinematic chamomille tea.
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Post by eccentricbeing on Sept 11, 2013 21:55:09 GMT -5
But we're not comparing Bay's work to Snyder's past work. I don't deny Bay's work is better than Snyder's. But it's not it's like Kubrick vs. Ed Wood. I just don't see Bay making a much better film out of the script Snyder filmed. No way.
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Post by Shane on Sept 11, 2013 22:23:24 GMT -5
I was glad Snyder directed
enrique only wanted bay cause apparently his taste in chicks is better and they would get there rat out on set
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Post by EnriqueH on Sept 11, 2013 22:27:06 GMT -5
OMG, Bay *does* have amazing taste in chicks. Ooof.
We need a movie where Nolan directs, but Bay does the casting.
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Post by Shane on Sept 11, 2013 22:29:45 GMT -5
don't think that would ever happen
would certainly been interesting but
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Post by EnriqueH on Sept 11, 2013 22:51:46 GMT -5
I'm not sure if anything in the comic movie realm will ever top TDK and TDKR, but Nolan's taste in women is downright putrid.
TDK was perfection EXCEPT for Maggie Gyllenhal. There's no way Bale AND Eckhart would be that crazy over a chick that looks like that. And then Joker callin her beautiful. Fuck outta here! Her cheeks remind me of Droopy.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2013 23:34:41 GMT -5
Maybe Zemeckis 25 years ago, but not now, and I say that as someone who loved "Flight."
Edit to clarify: By this I mean, if he had directed MoS, he likely would not have made "Flight" first. And he really needed to make that picture to ground himself. The guy needed to get back to working with actors, collaborating with humans and not just having them record voices in a studio. It was time to come back to the real world and leave all-CGI land.
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Post by Metallo on Sept 12, 2013 0:10:52 GMT -5
Out of all those choices Zemeckis was still by far the best. Aronofsky and Scott would have been interesting but not quite the right fits for the material. The others? Meh. Bays film would have been visually superior to Snyders and while it would have been just as dumb it would have known exactly what it was whereas MOS tried to be like three different kinds of movies and none of them meshed. I do think Bay at least understands raw emotion better. It's not complex in his movies but its there. Snyder struggles to make that emotional connection. Sometimes he doesn't seem to know how to make it. There are things so far off in MOS that its head scratchingly confusing. But even then Snyder seemed to borrow a lot from Bays TF movies as well.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2013 0:29:46 GMT -5
Are we to understand Enrique doesn't like the women in Nolan movies? Well, this is certainly news to me!
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Post by atp on Sept 12, 2013 1:02:16 GMT -5
Richard Lester would have been better.
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Post by EnriqueH on Sept 12, 2013 6:32:29 GMT -5
Are we to understand Enrique doesn't like the women in Nolan movies? Well, this is certainly news to me! Sent from my SPH-D710 using proboards Yeah, yeah, yeah. |
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Post by atp on Sept 12, 2013 6:56:10 GMT -5
Could any director have overcome the retarded script?
How much blame should Snyder get compared to Goyer?
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Post by Scissorpuppy on Sept 12, 2013 7:21:03 GMT -5
Could any director have overcome the retarded script? How much blame should Snyder get compared to Goyer? Well unless WB/Nolan locked the script and told the director no changes could be made ( unlikely ) one of these directors would have had some input in the shooting draft/ on set changes if desired. So Goyer deserves some blame, but if Snyder had noticed/cared he could have tried to bring some script issues attention, but he didn't. I would think someone like Zemickis or Aronofsky would have. |
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Post by EnriqueH on Sept 12, 2013 7:43:35 GMT -5
I wonder if Donner had the balls and savvy to make changes? Oh wait.
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Post by Metallo on Sept 12, 2013 11:36:16 GMT -5
Could any director have overcome the retarded script? How much blame should Snyder get compared to Goyer? Well unless WB/Nolan locked the script and told the director no changes could be made ( unlikely ) one of these directors would have had some input in the shooting draft/ on set changes if desired. So Goyer deserves some blame, but if Snyder had noticed/cared he could have tried to bring some script issues attention, but he didn't. I would think someone like Zemickis or Aronofsky would have. This. That's why this idea that Snyder deserve less blame than Goyer is silly. If there were problems with the script Snyder should have been able to recognize and get more of them fixed. That's what good directors do. But maybe he was just WBs bitch on a leash and had no power. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Sept 12, 2013 12:46:29 GMT -5
I wonder if Singer was offered this after SR 2 got 'frozen'/had the plug pulled/whatever?
Singer was such a huge STM fan, I think that if SR 2 had gotten the green light, he would not have minded sticking around (as long as he had the freedom to do other films in between).
But- who knows? There's still so many unanswered questions about SR 2 that we don't know about for sure---- one day hopefully there'll be a book or documentary that really shows that the deal was.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Sept 13, 2013 12:46:55 GMT -5
As much as I carp on MOS, I'm reserving judgement on Snyder's intentions- It seems like a LOT of work and a LOT of pressure to NOT care about what he/she's doing. On top of that, Sucker Punch, Legends of Gahoole, and even Watchmen didn't exactly break box-office records.
It's nice if the directors do care about what they're doing- but if it's a good film at the end, it doesn't really matter to me if they were asleep at the wheel the whole time.
Having said that, I imagine that Snyder cared a LOT about the film----but he's just such a horrible writer (Sucker Punch)- that I think he cares, I just don't think he has a good sense of story.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2013 19:22:25 GMT -5
The only Aronofsky film I liked was "The Wrester." I could see him eventually doing a comic book flick, but definitely not a Superman/Captain America type character.
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