Gal Gadot is Wonder Woman

[Shane]

i bet they bring in doomsday for this film

[Jor-L5150]

im not worried about it, im kind of surprised by the negative reaction.

we all said the a JL was not the right way to go, and that a "worlds finest" would be the best gate-way to a JL movie.
we've all said that WB/DC should emulate marvel to an extant, by having a movie about a character, but load it with easter eggs for other characters, and have a tease/cameo for a next film/sequel/spin-off.

thats whats happening.

the persistent rumor i keep hearing on the nerd-verse is that she will be "Diana", the ambassador for some Mediterranean nation (themyscara might have a code-name) and she'll suit up as wonder woman in JL.

[donvito70s]

Dec 4, 2013 15:24:21 GMT -5 Jimbo said:

Dec 4, 2013 15:09:37 GMT -5 donvito70s said:

Also considering that MOS2 is coming out in the same summer as Avenger 2...so maybe WB is trying to stick it to them.

You can't really call it MOS2 if Superman is a supporting character. And there's nothing WB can do right now to "stick it" to Marvel. All they can do is play catch-up.

Who said that Superman is a supporting character in MOS2? Unless, WB and the people involved in the MOS sequel is secretly springing a true JL movie on us with MOS sequel coming after that, it is still a MOS sequel with Superman as the main character.

Heh...I have the feeling that Goyer is trying to capture the epic that was The Dark Knight for MOS2. The real unknown is the villains for MOS2 and this is where I think that the supposedly supporting characters (Batman, WW, Flash? etc) come in, maybe in the final act setting up for JL.

WB can play both catch-up and overtaking - they have too much money to burn. WB/DC is most definitely trying to out-Avenger Disney/Marvel.

[ye5man]

They ought to have their own films or else it could get difficult caring about so many new characters.


Kind of like my recent Matrix experience. I don't care for those characters in the war in Part III.


Routh and Bale would have been a giant megahit had Routh done his "Wrath/Khan" sequel (OK CAM, settle down).

Too late WB, too late.

[Metallo]

Dec 4, 2013 15:38:37 GMT -5 Jor-L5150 said:

im not worried about it, im kind of surprised by the negative reaction.

we all said the a JL was not the right way to go, and that a "worlds finest" would be the best gate-way to a JL movie.
we've all said that WB/DC should emulate marvel to an extant, by having a movie about a character, but load it with easter eggs for other characters, and have a tease/cameo for a next film/sequel/spin-off.

thats whats happening.

the persistent rumor i keep hearing on the nerd-verse is that she will be "Diana", the ambassador for some Mediterranean nation (themyscara might have a code-name) and she'll suit up as wonder woman in JL.

There's a difference between spreading things out the way Marvel did and cramming stuff in too fast to soon the way WB Is doing, Jor. This is trying to do what Marvel did yet. It do it the same way

And that's not Gal Gadot in your first picture. That's Natassia Malthe (aka Typhoid Mary from Elektra). AICN made the same fuckup.

Best way to go would be to do what marvel did and introduce the big names slowly in their own movies and introduce the second tier characters in supporting roles. It paid off for Marvel in spades. It was build up and promotion at the same time. WB doesn't understand why that worked. Marvels gamble on Thor worked and he faces some of the same issues a WW movie would. Marvel took the risk and worked out how to pull it off.

[Shane]

who gives a fucking shit about marvel
they did things the way they wanted it worked for them congrats to them

wb have to go another route hence why they are doing what ever the heck they are doing

[Deleted]

Dec 4, 2013 16:08:36 GMT -5 Shane said:

who gives a fucking shit about marvel
they did things the way they wanted it worked for them congrats to them

wb have to go another route hence why they are doing what ever the heck they are doing

Agreed. Fuck Marvel, aside from Spiderman and Iron man I've got little to no interest in their characters anyway.

WB needs to forget them too, you can't catch up. The race is already run as far as getting a big movie like Avengers/JL goes.

[Jimbo]

Dec 4, 2013 16:08:36 GMT -5 Shane said:

wb have to go another route hence why they are doing what ever the heck they are doing

But are they going a different route? MOS2 or Batman/Superman, whatever it's called, sounds like it's trying to be Iron Man 2. A movie that was supposed to be focused on one guy, but it's chock full of secondary characters to set up the group movie. The difference is that when Iron Man 2 came out, Thor and Captain America were already on the way. If WB has a plan, they haven't let us in on it.

[Metallo]

Not sure they've let themselves in on it either. How does any of this connect to Arrow, And the proposed Young Justice, Gotham central, Flash, Constantine and Wonder Woman shows as well as the cheapo 20 million dollar smaller films and Justice League Dark?

Dec 4, 2013 16:08:36 GMT -5 Shane said:

who gives a fucking shit about marvel
they did things the way they wanted it worked for them congrats to them

wb have to go another route hence why they are doing what ever the heck they are doing

WB does. They coulda made a Justice League movie ten or twenty years ago if they wanted to. And they don't HAVE to go another route. They just are because they want to get there sooner. Like Jimbo said it's the same plan just more rushed.

[Shane]

they were always going to rush it after the success of all the marvel films

you really think wb have the patience or brains to pull something like that off?
who the heck is in charge of making wb/dc movie decisions anyway??
should of got the guy from the JL cartoons bruce timm is it?

[ye5man]

who gives a fucking shit about marvel

*raises hand*

[EnriqueH]

Niiiiice.

Now this is what I'm talking about!!!!

It wasn't Gina Carano or Jane Alexander, but I'll take it!!!!

[Jor-L5150]

thanks fo rthe clarification on the pics, i just googled her and picked what wouldnt get me in trouble at work.

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over at supermanhomepage someone posited a theory, about how wonder woman/amazons could fit into the MoS universe easily, and using the easter eggs in MoS to set her up.

its just a theory. ran it by belloq and some dudes up here and its in the "too good to be true" column for now.

so-

in MoS, kara zor-el is not kal-els first cousin, but an ancestor. we know she was on the scout ship that had the house of el uniforms. we know her pod was empty 1000s of years later when kal-el finds it.
(we also know that dev-em may have had doomsday on that ship).

so what if in the ancient past kara got loose, and wandered the world developing powers and ended up being the first amazon?
what if her recollection of krypton blended/morphed into what we call greek mythology? (greek mythology evolved from egyptian)- so maybe the hybrid, female dominated society adapted the lore of krypton to match the local cultures?
what if the amazons, are human/kryptonian hybrids? (like how in THOR the "gods" are ancient aliens)

it would explain why a matriarchal society deifies women, has powers, and the "magic/gods" could be misinterpreted aliens.
"hera" could be a variant of one the kryptonian gods (there was rao, and one other mentioned in the MoS features- name escapes me).

or will we see gods and goddesses in JL?

[Jor-L5150]

calling it:

"worlds finest/brave and bold/ man of steel: dark knight over metropolis" will have superman, batman and a mystery woman named ambassador diana.
she will be revealed as wonder woman at the END, with a cameo/tease depicting flash and arrow. i can almost hear her say "there are others like us..."

flash is all but confirmed, and people are freaking out. "its too crowded". if its a superman/batman team up that leads to JL, then its fine.

[Melv]

I like that Kara theory. Explains the goddess thing pretty well.

[Deleted]

Dec 4, 2013 17:01:07 GMT -5 Jor-L5150 said:

thanks fo rthe clarification on the pics, i just googled her and picked what wouldnt get me in trouble at work.

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over at supermanhomepage someone posited a theory, about how wonder woman/amazons could fit into the MoS universe easily, and using the easter eggs in MoS to set her up.

its just a theory. ran it by belloq and some dudes up here and its in the "too good to be true" column for now.

so-

in MoS, kara zor-el is not kal-els first cousin, but an ancestor. we know she was on the scout ship that had the house of el uniforms. we know her pod was empty 1000s of years later when kal-el finds it.
(we also know that dev-em may have had doomsday on that ship).

so what if in the ancient past kara got loose, and wandered the world developing powers and ended up being the first amazon?
what if her recollection of krypton blended/morphed into what we call greek mythology? (greek mythology evolved from egyptian)- so maybe the hybrid, female dominated society adapted the lore of krypton to match the local cultures?
what if the amazons, are human/kryptonian hybrids? (like how in THOR the "gods" are ancient aliens)

it would explain why a matriarchal society deifies women, has powers, and the "magic/gods" could be misinterpreted aliens.
"hera" could be a variant of one the kryptonian gods (there was rao, and one other mentioned in the MoS features- name escapes me).

or will we see gods and goddesses in JL?

[Metallo]

Dec 4, 2013 17:01:07 GMT -5 Jor-L5150 said:

thanks fo rthe clarification on the pics, i just googled her and picked what wouldnt get me in trouble at work.

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over at supermanhomepage someone posited a theory, about how wonder woman/amazons could fit into the MoS universe easily, and using the easter eggs in MoS to set her up.

its just a theory. ran it by belloq and some dudes up here and its in the "too good to be true" column for now.

so-

in MoS, kara zor-el is not kal-els first cousin, but an ancestor. we know she was on the scout ship that had the house of el uniforms. we know her pod was empty 1000s of years later when kal-el finds it.
(we also know that dev-em may have had doomsday on that ship).

so what if in the ancient past kara got loose, and wandered the world developing powers and ended up being the first amazon?
what if her recollection of krypton blended/morphed into what we call greek mythology? (greek mythology evolved from egyptian)- so maybe the hybrid, female dominated society adapted the lore of krypton to match the local cultures?
what if the amazons, are human/kryptonian hybrids? (like how in THOR the "gods" are ancient aliens)

it would explain why a matriarchal society deifies women, has powers, and the "magic/gods" could be misinterpreted aliens.
"hera" could be a variant of one the kryptonian gods (there was rao, and one other mentioned in the MoS features- name escapes me).

or will we see gods and goddesses in JL?

I've heard that idea and it sounds terrible. Wonder Woman has a whole history of her own that shouldn't just be shit on by making her Superwoman lite just because someone is too lazy or too greedy and wants to follow some other guys trend. The character should have her own mythology separate from Superman. These characters should have their own identities. If Goyer didn't feel the need to gritty realism everything it could actually be interesting backstory. Plus going that route eliminates most of her rogues gallery. I really don't feel like seeing the realistic version of Aries or Circe that are Kryptonians too. At least do it like Thor and present "magic" as advanced science. Thor already beat em there but it was a great idea. Superman fans wouldn't like their character being reduced to an even more carbon copy like take on another character. I don't think the people have supported Wonder Woman would like it either. William Moulton Marshton didn't need Jerry and Joes help.

The Kryptonian astronaut ancestor thing could be saved for characters in would fit better with. Like Daximites. Easy way to introduce Lar Gand and the even the Legion of Superheroes later on.

[Metallo]

Dec 4, 2013 16:29:26 GMT -5 Shane said:

they were always going to rush it after the success of all the marvel films

you really think wb have the patience or brains to pull something like that off?
who the heck is in charge of making wb/dc movie decisions anyway??
should of got the guy from the JL cartoons bruce timm is it?

Nobody. Not really anyone with any real power or ideas of their own anyway.

[Metallo]

Here's a thought. Instead of making Kryptocum the reason behind every major story or character in these movies lets just have the Amazons discover a rare exotic plant on their island that makes them stronger and faster. Or maybe they are some kind of genetic anomoly that is superior. Or they are the original pure form of what humans could be of we'd lived better lives and focused on making ourselves superior.

If not let's just have Barry Allen's mom give a Kryptonian a blowjob right after he was conceived because a bolt of lighting isn't a believable way for someone to get superpowers.

[Melv]

Well it helps these things to be more palatable to people. You try telling someone that Wonder Woman was made from clay and they'll dismiss it as ludicrous because it is.

Updating these things slightly doesn't take away from what the characters represent. This would just be like Spiderman being infected by a genetically altered spider rather than a radioactive spider or having organic webbing rather than making his own. They're just technicalities to get to the same end result but given a slightly more believable sheen.

[botz1]

Dec 4, 2013 17:01:07 GMT -5 Jor-L5150 said:

(we also know that dev-em may have had doomsday on that ship).

Say what?? explain this, i must have missed the doomsday reference

[Jor-L5150]

Dec 4, 2013 18:54:09 GMT -5 botz1 said:

Dec 4, 2013 17:01:07 GMT -5 Jor-L5150 said:

(we also know that dev-em may have had doomsday on that ship).

Say what?? explain this, i must have missed the doomsday reference

in the prequel comic david goyer wrote, kara was on the ancient scout ship- and i may have mis-remembered where dev-em fit in. i remember he was mentioned in it, and was mentioned as having a "bio-weapon" and this is from an era of krypton where cloning/chimeras were going on. to think about it, maybe kara was part of a crew sent out to capture dev-em. ill have to look it up.

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anyhoo- im excited as heck.
now, with the caveat the maaaayyyybbbeeeeee WBDC is sneaking a JL movie in here on the sly, maybe they had the JL-in-2015 planned out and only pretended to dial it back to worlds finest.
possibly.

i highly doubt it. i think what we're getting is superman and batman vs luthor and metallo. ithink "diana" will be in the mix, presenting herself in a mysterious way; and just as "superman" was only uttered twice towards the end of MoS, i doubt we'll even hear the name "wonder woman". i think we'll see "diana" as an ambassador debated/round table discussing with lex luthor- a man with huge political ambition and trying to turn public sentiment against superman. maybe theyll use the "public enemies" idea that john corben was implicated in the death of thomas and martha wayne.
at any rate, i think we'll see diana exhibit powers very judiciously, and only at the end.
in fact, ill bet its HER idea to form a team. and i bet we close with her voice-over as we watch a montage of 1-2 second clips that tease flash, GL and arrow. we might not even see if it really is the arrow from "arrow". just to suggest that supermans arrival is the green light (no pun) for other beings with abilities to go public.

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as to the kara/amazon theory- its only a theory. not even mine though i like it. now, i can see wonder woman fans taking umbrage at modifying her origin, but frankly, its been done. if a wonder woman series introduced superman, and the much reviled "zeus" was actually a sinister kryptonian, adding to the amazons distrust of man's world as "super"-man is also kryptonian i dont think we'd be to pissed.

in the lynda carter series, it starts with her in WWII era, then inexplicably gets set in modern times the next season. traditionally, "the gods" made her out of clay- new52 posits that she is the daughter of zeus.
john byrne posited that the WWII wonder woman was dianas mother. in one era she has no powers. in some eras she loses the title "wonder woman" to her sister or mother.

so if the amazons have a kryptonian connection i dont think its that much different than elliot maggin suggesting that the house of El was considered for membership of the green lantern corps, or the post-crises idea that alan scotts "magic ring" actually was from Oa all along (which would mean that the ORIGINAL green lantern was being changed to fit the successor's concept) . the concept of 'ancient aliens' (whether its the modern "theory" or a running theme in STTNG, or in a series of superman movies), is that in antiquity a human-like species traveled all over the galaxy leaving behind a few people to start a society that evolved/adapted to the local world. (to be sure- its a writers contrivance for why so many aliens in sci fi look like a human/have a human shape). even prometheus suggested that "the engineers" were ancestors of life all over the galaxy, and that life evolved differently on each world they visited.

does the story of "Hercules" lose any charm when we examine that the Greek predecessor "Herakles" was actually a modified Egyptian "Herakhte" ? (or that "samson" is also an iteration of "herakhte"?).

crude dna jokes aside, there has always been a precedent for this, but like i say- its only a fan theory and wonder woman could be something else altogether.

aside-
in marvel comics ULTRON has a specific origin being deliberately ignored by AII:AOU, (the prevailing theory there is that tony stark accidently created ultron when a corrupted "jarvis" program takes control of the annihilator armor). noone minds this modification as it fits well with the popular established iron man series.
in batman lore the waynes were killed by "joe chill", but when tim burton changed it to jack/joker no one really minded (well, im sure some did) because it made sense.
if th eamazons ended up being connected to "new genesis" and "apokolips" and big barda and the amazons are really the same, would that be a travesty?

[Metallo]

Dec 4, 2013 18:33:29 GMT -5 Melv said:

Well it helps these things to be more palatable to people. You try telling someone that Wonder Woman was made from clay and they'll dismiss it as ludicrous because it is.

Updating these things slightly doesn't take away from what the characters represent. This would just be like Spiderman being infected by a genetically altered spider rather than a radioactive spider or having organic webbing rather than making his own. They're just technicalities to get to the same end result but given a slightly more believable sheen.

Updating it doesn't mean tying it to Superman's history. I never said it was wrong to update it. How about we give the character an updated backstory and origin of her own? And not not every version of WW has her being sculpted from clay and having life given by the gods.

Your Spider-Man example doesn't work because that update was its own instead of being lazily based on another heroes origins. So no it's not just like that. Spider-mans origins have always been scientific. Wonder woman's are magical. That's why the science behind what Peter is needs to be more well thought out.

Or they could just go for it. This idea of making something realistic being the only way it will be accepted has been blown around like a lot of hot air. Did kids need Harry Potter or LOTR made realistic to make them "palatable?" No. They were treated seriously with quality instead of being treated like silly farce. THAT is how you make something acceptable. People like Goyer have snowed people into thinking every superhero has to be done one way. As others here have pointed out there is more than one way of doing things.

[Jor-L5150]

and to be clear, imnot saying that every "super-powered" charater HAS to be kryptonian.
what i mean is it makes sense to give the whole universe a common ancestry.

what if the original humanoid species was the race the became "the new gods"? and THEY colonized OA, krypton, thanagar, rann and so on.
and subsequently krypton and so forth spread out, and became legend/mythology?

[Jor-L5150]

id be totally cool with all out "magic". it would make SHAZAM part of the potential.