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Post by atp on Dec 19, 2013 4:48:52 GMT -5
Costner is one of my favourite actors, but his character in MoS was very poorly written. There are times when he makes no sense at all.
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First he tells Clark that he was sent here for a reason, and that even if takes him the rest of his life, he owes it to himself to find out what that reason is. But then we see him lecturing Clark about why he should become a farmer! WTF?
Also, he tells Clark that he has to make a decision whether to stand proud in front of the human race. But then tells him to let him die in a tornado so that he doesn't have to stand proud in front of the human race! WTF?
Basically, Jonathan died for nothing in that tornado. Nobody would have given a fuck if Clark had rescued him. At most, some girl might have commented that he was kinda hot.
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Post by Paul (ral) on Dec 19, 2013 8:16:40 GMT -5
It would have been nice to see more of young Clark and the Kents. Perhaps seeing Jonathan teaching Clark things, passing down advice, skills, etc.
I think Smallville did a better job of showing the kind of relationship we know Jonathan and Clark had.
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Post by Metallo on Dec 19, 2013 12:09:16 GMT -5
Ehhhh...I think it was just badly executed. I get what they were going for but it came off as just awkward. And Pa puts forth all these interesting possibilities but MOS pulls a Robocop 2 and does a poor job of following up on them.
To follow what Paul said I think Smallville did a lot of similar things first but handled them much better. Even from the start. Yeah Smallville had more time but when it came to Jonathan's doubts and reluctance to see Clark do some heroic stuff it was more understandable.
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Post by Jimbo on Dec 19, 2013 12:42:07 GMT -5
.......maybe.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2013 13:02:03 GMT -5
Costner is one of my favourite actors, but his character in MoS was very poorly written. There are times when he makes no sense at all. For instance: First he tells Clark that he was sent here for a reason, and that even if takes him the rest of his life, he owes it to himself to find out what that reason is. But then we see him lecturing Clark about why he should become a farmer! WTF? Also, he tells Clark that he has to make a decision whether to stand proud in front of the human race. But then tells him to let him die in a tornado so that he doesn't have to stand proud in front of the human race! WTF? Basically, Jonathan died for nothing in that tornado. Nobody would have given a fuck if Clark had rescued him. At most, some girl might have commented that he was kinda hot. 1) presumably farming was an option until he discovered his true destiny? 2) He said he had to wait, not to never reveal hiself. 3) I think if Clark took off at superspeed 2 feet in front of the crowd right behind him and saved Jonathan people would probably start talking when it all died down. |
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Post by Paul (ral) on Dec 19, 2013 13:41:58 GMT -5
To follow what Paul said I think Smallville did a lot of similar things first but handled them much better. Even from the start. Yeah Smallville had more time but when it came to Jonathan's doubts and reluctance to see Clark do some heroic stuff it was more understandable. Yeah, even the pilot episode of Smallviile alone did a better job. |
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Post by Kirok on Dec 19, 2013 23:47:51 GMT -5
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Post by atp on Dec 20, 2013 3:32:11 GMT -5
"All these changes you're going through.... one day you'll think of them as a blessing, and when that day comes, you'll have to make a choice. A choice whether to let my ass get killed by a tornado or not."
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Post by theoj on Dec 20, 2013 7:33:30 GMT -5
I think Costner brought great weight and presence to the role, but his line readings become a little irritating after a while, when he keeps stopping halfway through a line and repeats himself. They obviously let Costner go with that as they respected his choices to do that with the character, but if I were Snyder, I would have pulled in the reigns a little and have him read the line all in one to add to the weight of the line.
As for the Pa Kent death scene, I think it was pretty powerful and well placed in the movie.
In fact, a pleasant surprise to me was to see two more flashbacks of Costner in the movie, following the death scene, which added a little sense or relief or comfort to the viewer after the tragedy of the death. It gave me a warm feeling to see that the memory of his father wasn't lost when his father died, but other memories were perhaps even more significant, like the talk he has with his son after getting bullied by the boys, and most importantly, at the end of the film when Pa Kent sees what his son would become! I think that's a great moment.
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