Whatever happened to the Smallville cast?

[crazy_asian_man]

Saw this:
www.thestar.com.my/Lifestyle/Entertainment/TV/News/2014/02/20/Small-wonder/

Pity about Welling and his marriage..... but (unless they mismanaged their money) both should be still ok financially after the last few seasons of Smallville.
Still.... sad.

It's too bad Arrow doesn't allow multiple alternate universes so that we could see guest appearances by Routh as Superman from Earth II and/or Welling as Superman from Earth = prime or whatever....

[stargazer0118]

I heard Welling played some role in a recent Kevin Costner movie.  But I haven't heard anything about the others, not even Rosenbaum, who was easily the best actor from the young cast.

[crazy_asian_man]

Jul 16, 2014 10:29:49 GMT -5 stargazer0118 said:

I heard Welling played some role in a recent Kevin Costner movie.  But I haven't heard anything about the others, not even Rosenbaum, who was easily the best actor from the young cast.

It's definitely weird seeing how fast people who were on the front cover of tv guide suddenly disappear without a trace.
But- then again- ten years is a pretty long stretch for most actors to even be working steadily, so there's that....

[booshman]

No mention of the guy who played Pete Ross. Out of all of the cast he had a future you wouldn't have seen coming. Wonder if he's still banged up?

[crazy_asian_man]

Jul 17, 2014 4:31:02 GMT -5 booshman said:

No mention of the guy who played Pete Ross. Out of all of the cast he had a future you wouldn't have seen coming. Wonder if he's still banged up?

Good point. He was arrested awhile back after he lost his Smallville gig for dealing cocaine (maybe not all that suprising given so many news reports of cocaine being as accessible as coffee in Hollywood)- but I don't recall if he got jail time or if he got probation and just stayed away.

In any case, I thought the Ross character was poorly designed for tv. It felt too much like a throwaway character- much like the bully character whose name I already forgot....

[Metallo]

The Pete Ross issue was particularly embarrassing because it looked like they were trying to go all PC but when they totally dropped the character and not just the actor it whitewashed the cast even more. The very thing they were going against. Really bad since the CW has been accused of doing that intentionally since the early 2000s back when it was still the WB network.

The show really didn't need Ross the way it was set up. But they could have set it up in such a way that he was a character with a purpose.

Anyway Welling should have a shitload of money. If he is having money troubles it's hard to have sympathy for him because the show was on ten years and in the latter half he had the clout to command more money to stay on. No Welling no Smallville. People talk about Routh but I've seen Welling in nothing since Smallville went off and it was just 3 years ago! He must be typecast bad but maybe he has no interest and wants to do smaller stuff. He should have the financial security to do that.

[ADigitalMan]

Quaint thread worth bumping.

So Allison Mack has been up to something ...

[Metallo]

Jul 15, 2014 21:16:53 GMT -5 crazy_asian_man said:

It's too bad Arrow doesn't allow multiple alternate universes so that we could see guest appearances by Routh as Superman from Earth II and/or Welling as Superman from Earth = prime or whatever....

Aaaand it’s happening. All that’s happening.

[crazy_asian_man]

Oct 23, 2019 17:08:48 GMT -5 Metallo said:

Jul 15, 2014 21:16:53 GMT -5 crazy_asian_man said:

It's too bad Arrow doesn't allow multiple alternate universes so that we could see guest appearances by Routh as Superman from Earth II and/or Welling as Superman from Earth = prime or whatever....

Aaaand it’s happening. All that’s happening.

And now.... I'm getting greedy with imagining how much the writers are going to use Routh and Welling. Wesley Shipp as the original Flash was vastly underutilized. Hope that won't be the case here.

[Metallo]

Shipps role in Elseworlds was small because they knew he was being set up for something more later in Crisis. His role in Elseworlds was small but also massively important. He was the way they introduced the Monitor and what was happening in Elseworlds. He was the harbinger that let everyone know what was coming in Crisis. I was hoping for more but wasn’t surprised since it’s not his show. He was never going to get equal airtime as the Arrowverse regulars.

Once he served his purpose they took him off the board in a way which made sense. He failed when given the chance to prove himself on earth 90 and was annoyance getting in the Monitors way. The Monitor wanted to see what the new heroes would do and how they would react without Earth 90 Flash’s help or influence. This was their test now not his. It also served to show how powerful the Monitor was and thus how the Anti Monitor was even more powerful.

I expect Routh and Welling will have small but important roles since they are supporting characters in this not the leads.

[crazy_asian_man]

Oct 25, 2019 10:41:23 GMT -5 Metallo said:

Shipps role in Elseworlds was small because they knew he was being set up for something more later in Crisis. His role in Elseworlds was small but also massively important. He was the way they introduced the Monitor and what was happening in Elseworlds. He was the harbinger that let everyone know what was coming in Crisis. I was hoping for more but wasn’t surprised since it’s not his show. He was never going to get equal airtime as the Arrowverse regulars.

Once he served his purpose they took him off the board in a way which made sense. He failed when given the chance to prove himself on earth 90 and was annoyance getting in the Monitors way. The Monitor wanted to see what the new heroes would do and how they would react without Earth 90 Flash’s help or influence. This was their test now not his. It also served to show how powerful the Monitor was and thus how the Anti Monitor was even more powerful.

I expect Routh and Welling will have small but important roles since they are supporting characters in this not the leads.

I haven't seen all of Elseworlds, but I'm REALLY far behind in viewing Arrow, Supergirl, Flash, etc...

Would LOVE to buy a blu ray package of the crossover events as a 'solo', but I remember a podcast somewhere saying that even the showrunners would love to see that, but right now, I guess it's complicated from contract standpoint...

About the appearances-

I remember Deep Space Nine's best episode that centered on Nog in the last season, who was a recurring but not a regular cast member.... and LOVED it but new how rare that is.

In an ideal world, I'd have Welling's Superman dominate one episode & get killed off by the end, and Routh's Superman dominate the final episode and killed off by the end--- but I'm thinking in reality, I'll be hanging on EVERY scene with them in it. The more the better of course!

[Metallo]

Nog wasn’t a main cast member but he was a recurring regular. He was around enough to get an episode focusing on him. With 90s Flash he’s...not. Not only that but it wasn’t one episode he was in but a crossover that had to serve a lot more characters and set up even more. There just wasn’t the time. Hard to imagine the stars of the shows taking a backseat to SR Superman and Smallville Clark in this crossover. I think if they do a standalone episode that focuses exclusively on crossing over with Smallville (the way Supergirl focused on Flash crossing over the first time on CBS) you might see that.

[crazy_asian_man]

Oct 25, 2019 17:45:52 GMT -5 Metallo said:

Nog wasn’t a main cast member but he was a recurring regular. He was around enough to get an episode focusing on him. With 90s Flash he’s...not. Not only that but it wasn’t one episode he was in but a crossover that had to serve a lot more characters and set up even more. There just wasn’t the time. Hard to imagine the stars of the shows taking a backseat to SR Superman and Smallville Clark in this crossover. I think if they do a standalone episode that focuses exclusively on crossing over with Smallville (the way Supergirl focused on Flash crossing over the first time on CBS) you might see that.

Good points.... but here's hoping anyhow that Routh Superman and Welling Superman get a ton of scenes to work on anyhow....

[Metallo]

I think they’ll get some good stuff. It’s obvious a Routh is going to get more than a one scene cameo because of all the sets he was on and the two different wardrobes. He’s on the Waverider, at the daily planet, and he's interacting with a ton of other characters. He’s probably going to be there when they take on the anti monitor.

[crazy_asian_man]

Oct 26, 2019 9:44:39 GMT -5 Metallo said:

I think they’ll get some good stuff. It’s obvious a Routh is going to get more than a one scene cameo because of all the sets he was on and the two different wardrobes. He’s on the Waverider, at the daily planet, and he's interacting with a ton of other characters. He’s probably going to be there when they take on the anti monitor.

Ideally, I'd love it if they use Routh's Superman in the same way that they used the alternate universe Peter Parker for "Into the Spiderverse"--- if Routh's Superman is the darkest one with his Lois killed off by the Joker- then maybe he gets a final episode where he sacrifices himself (along with Oliver Queen?.... unless.... (though I kind of doubt it) he's the 'new' Superman at the end who wakes up and survives the crisis in a new timeline.

[Metallo]

I think he’ll serve a role similar to what you’re talking about: older more world weary Superman. I think they’ll stick with Hoechlin but depending on how this ends Routh Superman may still be out there. This won’t be a direct adaptation so it’s hard to imagine them destroying the entire multiverse and leaving us with one earth like the maxi series. Then again they did just annihilate the Arrowverse version of earth 2 on Arrow.

I think Oliver ends up with Felicity in the paradise dimension the same way earth 2 superman and Lois did in the COIE comics. Routh may join them along with heroes from other earths or maybe his earth survives to be seen another day.

[crazy_asian_man]

Oct 28, 2019 10:39:47 GMT -5 Metallo said:

I think he’ll serve a role similar to what you’re talking about: older more world weary Superman. I think they’ll stick with Hoechlin but depending on how this ends Routh Superman may still be out there. This won’t be a direct adaptation so it’s hard to imagine them destroying the entire multiverse and leaving us with one earth like the maxi series. Then again they did just annihilate the Arrowverse version of earth 2 on Arrow.

I think Oliver ends up with Felicity in the paradise dimension the same way earth 2 superman and Lois did in the COIE comics. Routh may join them along with heroes from other earths or maybe his earth survives to be seen another day.

Since Routh isn't being approached for the tv show... I'm hoping that they give him a grand finish then in the crisis crossover.

[Metallo]

It sounds like there is some kind of closure. I hope he doesn’t die though. Leave the door open to bring him back as superman even if it’s just in the Arrowverse. It would take serious balls to kill or destroy all the past movie and tv universes and characters. I know they aren’t being used anymore but people still love those chargers some will be pretty pissed if their final fate is to be wiped out.

[crazy_asian_man]

Oct 30, 2019 9:32:49 GMT -5 Metallo said:

It sounds like there is some kind of closure. I hope he doesn’t die TV ouch. Leave the door open to bring him back as superman even if it’s just in the Arrowverse. It would take serious balls to kill or destroy all the past movie and tv universes and characters. I know they aren’t being used anymore but people still love those chargers some will be pretty pissed if their final fate is to be wiped out.

I'm sure that the success of Endgame gives them more permission now to do something like that, though...

[Metallo]

You mean destroying previous on screen universes and killing characters? We’ve seen them die before but the difference here is these characters aren’t their versions of the characters and I think some people would want those stories wrapped up by the people doing stories set in those universes. Or leave them alone so they might be able to be picked up at a later date. Most likely won’t happen but you never know.

With endgame those characters were killed or had their stories wrapped up in their story for lack of a better word rather than having their fates sealed in someone else’s story. Look at the way people have reacted to other creators and the way they killed Han Solo or Captain Kirk or Newt and Hicks. They saw it as a slap in the face to the original creators as if they wouldn’t have done that. Not saying I agree at all but you know how these huge fandoms are CAM.

[crazy_asian_man]

Oct 30, 2019 14:07:46 GMT -5 Metallo said:

You mean destroying previous on screen universes and killing characters? We’ve seen them die before but the difference here is these characters aren’t their versions of the characters and I think some people would want those stories wrapped up by the people doing stories set in those universes. Or leave them alone so they might be able to be picked up at a later date. Most likely won’t happen but you never know.

With endgame those characters were killed or had their stories wrapped up in their story for lack of a better word rather than having their fates sealed in someone else’s story. Look at the way people have reacted to other creators and the way they killed Han Solo or Captain Kirk or Newt and Hicks. They saw it as a slap in the face to the original creators as if they wouldn’t have done that. Not saying I agree at all but you know how these huge fandoms are CAM.

I think Nicholas Meyer said it best: (paraphrasing) "People won't get upset if you kill off a popular character- but if you don't kill them off WELL."

I LOATHED much of "Force Awakens" - they could have integrated Han Solo well, but I felt it was sloppy and the casting was laughable for Solo's son.... which ruined his ending imo.

Kirk's death on Generations (the first death) I thought was somewhat well done... the second death felt sloppy in the same film.

Newt and Hicks dying in the first few seconds was lame. Cameron had a good plan for them in Alien 3. Wasted opportunity.

Superman dying in MOS.... what a mess. We never felt like it was the 'real' Superman in the first place.

So.... on a case by case basis I judge these things. Sometimes I agree with the fan mobs, sometimes not...

[Metallo]

I thought both Kirk deaths were pretty lame. I thought the original was worse. Getting shot in the back? Pretty anticlimactic for such a great character. I’m glad the didn’t do the whole cliche “die in space battle” thing. Didn’t mind the idea of the bridge collapse but it came off as rather small. If the set piece had been bigger it would have been more impressive.

Hans death was lame because of the lead up to it. All that was poorly written. The follow up was even worse. Chewie walked right past Leia. What?? I though Adam Driver was fine casting (all the casting is good) the problem is JJ is a crap writer and director. Ford was good in the movie but it was obvious he wasn’t going to stick around. One massive paycheck and he got his wish to die. JJ should have made every moment count instead we didn’t even get one last moment of the big three together. Force awakens is a poorly constructed movie.

[crazy_asian_man]

Oct 31, 2019 9:03:32 GMT -5 Metallo said:

I thought both Kirk deaths were pretty lame. I thought the original was worse. Getting shot in the back? Pretty anticlimactic for such a great character. I’m glad the didn’t do the whole cliche “die in space battle” thing. Didn’t mind the idea of the bridge collapse but it came off as rather small. If the set piece had been bigger it would have been more impressive.

Hans death was lame because of the lead up to it. All that was poorly written. The follow up was even worse. Chewie walked right past Leia. What?? I though Adam Driver was fine casting (all the casting is good) the problem is JJ is a crap writer and director. Ford was good in the movie but it was obvious he wasn’t going to stick around. One massive paycheck and he got his wish to die. JJ should have made every moment count instead we didn’t even get one last moment of the big three together. Force awakens is a poorly constructed movie.

I meant the death on saving the new ship & making the choice to pass the leadership chair on, in the first act. Getting shot in the back/ death thru spinning on the bridge to the ground - was Moore's attempt to do something unexpected and not cliche, but I would have preferred the cliche.

Adam Driver physically doesn't look like Han and Leia's kid- even the speech patterns (not that all kids have the same speech patterns as their parents, but it's telling that Ridley Scott asked Ford's son to help voice some of the Blade Runner special edition).... I like Driver as an actor, but I would have preferred that they have cast someone who looked like Han and Leia.... It just feels so false it takes me out of the picture whenever it's referenced.

I hated the idea of no moment with the big three together.... but if Force Awakens were better done, I was fine with the 'each character is the primary focus of each three films'--- Hamill as Luke is what rescues "Last Jedi" for me.... but if I were in charge, I would have had all three be the leads with MINOR roles for the new characters, not the other way around for the trilogy.

It's odd.... Trek 2009 (most of it anyways) was great because of JJ Abrams' choices.... but what a mess with Force Awakens. Hate the casting for Rey and the direction of.

[Metallo]

Oct 31, 2019 13:27:22 GMT -5 crazy_asian_man said:

I meant the death on saving the new ship & making the choice to pass the leadership chair on, in the first act. Getting shot in the back/ death thru spinning on the bridge to the ground - was Moore's attempt to do something unexpected and not cliche, but I would have preferred the cliche.

Adam Driver physically doesn't look like Han and Leia's kid- even the speech patterns (not that all kids have the same speech patterns as their parents, but it's telling that Ridley Scott asked Ford's son to help voice some of the Blade Runner special edition).... I like Driver as an actor, but I would have preferred that they have cast someone who looked like Han and Leia.... It just feels so false it takes me out of the picture whenever it's referenced.

I hated the idea of no moment with the big three together.... but if Force Awakens were better done, I was fine with the 'each character is the primary focus of each three films'--- Hamill as Luke is what rescues "Last Jedi" for me.... but if I were in charge, I would have had all three be the leads with MINOR roles for the new characters, not the other way around for the trilogy.

It's odd.... Trek 2009 (most of it anyways) was great because of JJ Abrams' choices.... but what a mess with Force Awakens. Hate the casting for Rey and the direction of.

I liked what they did with Kirk early on but the problem is they cut some of Shatner’s early scenes not to mention it was supposed to be Nimoy and Kelly with him. They turned it down and I can see why. By cutting the stuff of him feeling useless and bored it took away the impact of him doing something to save the enterprise b. The whole energy ribbon thing is debatable though. Generations feels like a movie where they came up with the basic concept and then worked their way backwards to try to figure out how to make it work instead of just starting off with crafting the best story

I’m glad they didn’t go with the cliche but what they did do was not very good. But cliches have killed the big screen franchise twice now. It’s stale and doesn’t impress people. People should have been emotional for Nemesis but it ended on a whimper. Into Darkness was an outright joke. Like bad fanfiction.

None of Fords on screen kids have been bang on physically from River Phoenix to Shia to Driver but it’s one of those cases where if you put Ford and Fisher together I can see it. I can see Fords nose when I look at him but I can see Fishers eyes and mouth. I think that’s what they’re banking on to get away with it rather than a dead on likeness. The same way Reeve didn’t look like Brando but if you combine Brando and York I can see it.

People hate on Last Jedi but I like parts of it. Other parts are stupid but Force Awakens is just about as lazy as you can get. Visually competent but even that lacks creativity.

[crazy_asian_man]

Nov 10, 2019 17:59:41 GMT -5 Metallo said:

Oct 31, 2019 13:27:22 GMT -5 crazy_asian_man said:

I meant the death on saving the new ship & making the choice to pass the leadership chair on, in the first act. Getting shot in the back/ death thru spinning on the bridge to the ground - was Moore's attempt to do something unexpected and not cliche, but I would have preferred the cliche.

Adam Driver physically doesn't look like Han and Leia's kid- even the speech patterns (not that all kids have the same speech patterns as their parents, but it's telling that Ridley Scott asked Ford's son to help voice some of the Blade Runner special edition).... I like Driver as an actor, but I would have preferred that they have cast someone who looked like Han and Leia.... It just feels so false it takes me out of the picture whenever it's referenced.

I hated the idea of no moment with the big three together.... but if Force Awakens were better done, I was fine with the 'each character is the primary focus of each three films'--- Hamill as Luke is what rescues "Last Jedi" for me.... but if I were in charge, I would have had all three be the leads with MINOR roles for the new characters, not the other way around for the trilogy.

It's odd.... Trek 2009 (most of it anyways) was great because of JJ Abrams' choices.... but what a mess with Force Awakens. Hate the casting for Rey and the direction of.

I liked what they did with Kirk early on but the problem is they cut some of Shatner’s early scenes not to mention it was supposed to be Nimoy and Kelly with him. They turned it down and I can see why. By cutting the stuff of him feeling useless and bored it took away the impact of him doing something to save the enterprise b. The whole energy ribbon thing is debatable though. Generations feels like a movie where they came up with the basic concept and then worked their way backwards to try to figure out how to make it work instead of just starting off with crafting the best story

I’m glad they didn’t go with the cliche but what they did do was not very good. But cliches have killed the big screen franchise twice now. It’s stale and doesn’t impress people. People should have been emotional for Nemesis but it ended on a whimper. Into Darkness was an outright joke. Like bad fanfiction.

None of Fords on screen kids have been bang on physically from River Phoenix to Shia to Driver but it’s one of those cases where if you put Ford and Fisher together I can see it. I can see Fords nose when I look at him but I can see Fishers eyes and mouth. I think that’s what they’re banking on to get away with it rather than a dead on likeness. The same way Reeve didn’t look like Brando but if you combine Brando and York I can see it.

People hate on Last Jedi but I like parts of it. Other parts are stupid but Force Awakens is just about as lazy as you can get. Visually competent but even that lacks creativity.

I respected how difficult the script had to be to write to serve all the masters at the same time.... but as Nimoy preferred, it should have been a story that was half-classic cast / half new cast. I would have been fine if Berman just re-used the script for "Yesterday's Enterprise" to fill that spot and I think fans ultimately would have been more satisfied with that, then what they got.

I kind of like it, despite all of its warts and whatnot. Seeing the slight upgrades (i.e. the lighting) to the TNG sets was big fun, after seeing the TNG show.

Pity that Nemesis was such a disaster creatively and boxoffice wise. The next movie was supposed to tie in all the Trek series, that would ahve been cool.

The closest 'next chapter" for any of the past Trek series I feel we're ever going to get is the 'DS9' documentary that had a 'writers' meeting' for the pilot of what would have been the next season of DS9. The Picard trailer doesn't give me much hope that it'll be a better resolution than the final episode of TNG.