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Post by crown on Apr 18, 2015 17:44:23 GMT -5
For his grand ending I feel like he simply got lazy and didn't feel like finding the already available clips to really make his "super" ending to Superman part 2.
Let's all post clips of shots of Superman that could be used/adapted to fit his ending.
When Clark leaves the diner he transforms into Superman (wide shot using a double) and then use adapted Superman here at 1:13- 1:14 to have him looking back at the diner in triumph before he flies away in a CGI long shot.
Also when Superman watches the news about all the devastationand questions left in the wake of the battle use the clip here at 1:33-1:35 to show Superman throwing a mini tantrum and getting off the couch to go to the window to think about things.
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Post by dugpa on Apr 18, 2015 23:08:33 GMT -5
Sad Supes
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Post by zuperman on Apr 18, 2015 23:18:14 GMT -5
Da fuk? Are u metallo under a different handle?
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Post by dugpa on Apr 19, 2015 0:01:17 GMT -5
No, but I think the clips from SIT could very well,work.... Clark is Surprised Clark is Happy
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Post by zuperman on Apr 19, 2015 0:16:05 GMT -5
Then you shouldn't post when you are drunk. You cannot use sit scenes into a Superman movie. Even if you could change the color - the hair is all wrong. Then - the scenes you are suggesting - we already have them, filmed. How about Deathtrap? Instead of falling in love with Lois, Superman falls in love with Michael Cain...
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Post by dugpa on Apr 19, 2015 0:24:28 GMT -5
I don't have Deathtrap. Can you post shots you think would match better from Deathtrap?
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Post by zuperman on Apr 19, 2015 0:26:35 GMT -5
I have nothing against drugs. I think it's the abuse that causes harm.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Apr 19, 2015 20:24:52 GMT -5
Dugpa, I think you do have interesting ideas. The hair fixing would be tricky, but it's not impossible via Aftereffects. The only thing is just judging the difficulty level (8 hours for a couple of seconds of rotoscope I've found)- versus reward should be figured out first.
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Post by zuperman on Apr 19, 2015 23:14:02 GMT -5
It's not a very intelligent idea. Especially redoing scenes that are already done. This post was created for the sole purpose of creating a post. Hey, let's do an edit where Jor-El reads vaginaens to Kal-El, you need it because Clark talks about it to Perry in the Daily Planet...ok? Making a sad Clark where there's already a sad Clark... ? Hey, let's rotoscope and redo every scene done. Selutron's work makes us think but, it's far from flawless. Even on a pro scale - it would be a headache to do. And why? WB will make zillions of dollars because a bunch of overobsessed fans want it? I'm not sure myself it I'd buy something like that. I'd torrent it but, that's it.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Apr 22, 2015 1:21:02 GMT -5
If someone puts up something just to create a post, I have no problems with that. It's a ghost town here. It's at least trying to be social.
Tearing things down is easy. And what does it gain?
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Post by crown on Apr 22, 2015 1:37:35 GMT -5
This post absolutely means something. We had been waiting for Selutron's ending for nearly 10 years and I for one was in abject shock wen I saw it!!!!
Not only because the idea was.... was..... I can't even say! But because 2/3rds of this ending was comprised of 4 year old stick drawings that Selutron claimed could easily be created using unused takes.
I am extremely skeptical of the material being there and IF it were there it would be better used to make an ending NOT another Superman/Jo-El turns world back!!!
I just thought that since Selutron did make some great material with existing shots (almost all of which I used for my cut of SII after I realized I could rip clips off youtube) we could see what else could be harvested for Selutron's ending.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Apr 22, 2015 10:55:03 GMT -5
This post absolutely means something. We had been waiting for Selutron's ending for nearly 10 years and I for one was in abject shock wen I saw it!!!! Not only because the idea was.... was..... I can't even say! But because 2/3rds of this ending was comprised of 4 year old stick drawings that Selutron claimed could easily be created using unused takes. I am extremely skeptical of the material being there and IF it were there it would be better used to make an ending NOT another Superman/Jo-El turns world back!!! I just thought that since Selutron did make some great material with existing shots (almost all of which I used for my cut of SII after I realized I could rip clips off youtube) we could see what else could be harvested for Selutron's ending. I was shocked with the stick figure drawings in the Selutron ending reveal, too..... even a still photo would have been better. One still gets the idea across, but I wonder how seriously Mank took this when he saw the stick figure drawings or if he was fine with it. It certainly would be a pity if he dismissed it because of them.... but, I guess it doesn't matter- If Ilya Salkind genuinely tried to get a recut with Donner way back when way before the RDC and WB didn't go through with it- (Cost of the Marlong Brando material perhaps? Or something else?) - when dvd sales were cooking.... It's hard to envision a business model now with Dvd sales shrinking that would push WB to revisit it, at all. Given that--- I still shake my head at how "Alexander" - a movie NOT that popular - got so many recuts issued on dvd & blu. Don't get it at all....
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Post by crown on Apr 22, 2015 19:22:57 GMT -5
I know! I would NEVER in a million years have showed Mr. Mankewitcz those half-a$$ed stick drawings that looked like they were scribbled by a dog with cerebral palsy! I have nothing but admiration and respect for Mr. Selutron but I seriousl want him to come on this board for a little Q and A and ball bustin.
I mean seriously his ending HAD to have been a funny joke right RIGHT!?!?!?
Oh and btw, there will NEVER NEVER NEVER be an official recut of Superman II.
The footage is out and now the film belongs to the ages in whatever permutation fans want to make it.... EXCEPT for Selutron's ending which is terrible! No offense Mr. Selutron.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Apr 22, 2015 23:15:25 GMT -5
Given what was there, I didn't dislike the Selutron ending.
At first glance, it seems a bit much- but it definitely has emotionand its heart in the right place- and when the idea is stacked side-by-side with the 'logic' of reversing time.....it's not THAT crazy by comparison, imo...
No matter what- unless it's just that Lois keeps the memory (My mind constantly changes on this, but I would have ended it in a bittersweet way with the rooftop ending.... Superman sad about the reality of both of their hearts broken while in the sky--- and then Superman hearing a cry for help, and Superman saving a life & then going into space & the smile.
Such that- it becomes a little more adult- in that you can't magically erase mistakes when things don't go one's way....no memory kiss, no turning back time, but that life goes on, and even if Supes can't be mortal, and enjoy all the good stuff with relationships/family/etc. he can still save lives and take joy in that type of life.
Not a 100% downer, not a 100% feel good ending, but somewhere in between....
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Post by dugpa on Apr 23, 2015 0:39:17 GMT -5
I really enjoyed it. As you said is has heart. I would love to see it come to life one way or another. I also really loved the music selections as well.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Apr 23, 2015 1:45:45 GMT -5
I really enjoyed it. As you said is has heart. I would love to see it come to life one way or another. I also really loved the music selections as well. Agreed..... but, again, I'm mainly just shocked that Selutron didn't put in something as a 'temp' for all those hand-drawn stick figures if this is what he showed Mank.
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Post by crown on Apr 23, 2015 2:10:58 GMT -5
Here's what I don't get: why does Superman need Jor El to turn back time for him wen he did it in STM? So the lesson is Superman himself shouldn't turn back time but it's okay if Jor El does it?
Also if Jor El was still around why didn't he restore clarks powers instead of a "mysterious light'?
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Apr 23, 2015 11:32:13 GMT -5
Here's what I don't get: why does Superman need Jor El to turn back time for him wen he did it in STM? So the lesson is Superman himself shouldn't turn back time but it's okay if Jor El does it? Also if Jor El was still around why didn't he restore clarks powers instead of a "mysterious light'? I think the idea is that it's the 'least of two evils'- from the EXTREMELY few choices available with existing footage to rewrite the story - the time reversal is a horrible idea from the start- and having Superman only do it once maybe helps, because if he did it again (like in the RDC) it just would remind the audience he can apparently turn back time ANY TIME he feels like it. Having time reversal be a 'one time per customer' thing makes it feel a little less ridiculous- One time only for Supes, one time for Jor-el- maybe- but that's not saying much, I agree.
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Post by Metallo on Apr 23, 2015 12:33:46 GMT -5
Then you shouldn't post when you are drunk. You cannot use sit scenes into a Superman movie. Even if you could change the color - the hair is all wrong. Then - the scenes you are suggesting - we already have them, filmed. How about Deathtrap? Instead of falling in love with Lois, Superman falls in love with Michael Cain... That would make Batman Begins a lot funnier.
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Post by crown on Apr 24, 2015 1:45:36 GMT -5
No Clark's hair could be different in the ending sequence... we established Superman's hair as being completely inconsistent in SII anyway for it to matter.
Sometimes Clarks hair is wet and slicked down (DP Jump scene) sometimes it's dry and puffy (diner scenes) and as Superman sometimes's it's jet black real hair with a thick spit curl (Donner scenes) and sometimes it's a brown wig with a wispy spit curl that constantly flutters in the wind (Lester scenes).
Don't even get me started on Lois's hair between Donner Lois stunning model-esque brunette hair and Lester's brown rat-wig.
The point is that anyone looking for follicular consistency in SII is already sorely disappointed.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Apr 24, 2015 18:39:05 GMT -5
No Clark's hair could be different in the ending sequence... we established Superman's hair as being completely inconsistent in SII anyway for it to matter. Sometimes Clarks hair is wet and slicked down (DP Jump scene) sometimes it's dry and puffy (diner scenes) and as Superman sometimes's it's jet black real hair with a thick spit curl (Donner scenes) and sometimes it's a brown wig with a wispy spit curl that constantly flutters in the wind (Lester scenes). Don't even get me started on Lois's hair between Donner Lois stunning model-esque brunette hair and Lester's brown rat-wig. The point is that anyone looking for follicular consistency in SII is already sorely disappointed. Yeah.... they definitely could have used a hair continuity person on that set.... Only Brando, Hackman, Non and the Zod's hair seem somewhat consistent. That rug they gave Margot is horrendous, though. Competes with that hairpiece that E.G. Marshall was forced to wear. (Why did they HAVE to put a wig on the president? There have been older presidents in history...)
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Post by crown on Apr 24, 2015 19:46:35 GMT -5
Zod's hair was terribly inconsistent too.. in Donner scenes it's combed back and cut short in the back... in Lester scenes it's slicked back with grey streaks and is feathered in the back.
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Post by atp on Apr 25, 2015 2:15:53 GMT -5
Dunno if anyone else noticed this, but Luthor's hair was also pretty inconsistent. Sometimes it was big and curly. Other places, it was more conservative. And there were a couple of parts where he was bald.
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Post by crown on Apr 25, 2015 6:36:16 GMT -5
Luthor was never bald... he simply wore a bald cap in prison in an effort to look less fetching so that he wouldn't become somebody's bitch.
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Post by crown on Apr 27, 2015 1:16:25 GMT -5
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