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Post by crown on May 3, 2015 2:37:56 GMT -5
He would have made his version of SII which had an ending that would conclude the Reeve Superman series entirely.
Terence Stamp even said that the original idea was that STM and SII were to be a 2 parter with nothing ever coming after it.. when Lesticle came in to re-shoot he basically opened the doors for more (terrible) sequels.
A proper SII should be billed as "The Epic Conclusion" to the Superman saga just like the Dark Knight Rises was the end of Batman's story.
To wit, Selutron's ending for SII should have been Lois dying, Superman finding out his powers returning was only temporary and him being forced to live the rest of his life without Lois and as a mortal but at least the villains were defeated.
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Post by crown on May 8, 2015 22:40:57 GMT -5
Anyone else have any better ideas?
I think that to disapprove of Selutron's idea we need to back our idea up with something better.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 9, 2015 1:39:59 GMT -5
Anyone else have any better ideas? I think that to disapprove of Selutron's idea we need to back our idea up with something better. With the little that's available, I think Selutron came up with an interesting idea- tone-wise, it's more epic for a Superman ending that started off with religious overtones... but I don't know if it justifies some of the other changes necessary in the middle to make it work. |
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Post by zuperman on May 11, 2015 1:38:54 GMT -5
Sometimes I like to just lay in bed and watch an entire season of Boy Meets World.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 11, 2015 10:02:31 GMT -5
I have to give credit to Selutron for inspiring a lot of what's possible--- I imagine it had to help think outside the box for many in fanedits...
Especially with such limited sources to draw on-
But, anyhow..... unless there's another revival of blu ray, or extended cuts mysteriously start making giant profits, I think WB's really really done with providing any more SII footage to the public.... (sad)
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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 11, 2015 13:23:46 GMT -5
(a) he would have cured cancer.
(b) he would have raised the Titanic.
(c) he would have invented time travel.
(d) he would have created a way to make the Despecialized Star Wars films legal.
I'm sure there's more....
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Post by ChrisM on May 12, 2015 9:46:07 GMT -5
I'm honestly puzzled why everyone is trying to concoct some never-before-seen ending to S2. Having Lois know at the end seems like the most mature and reasonable conclusion... AND we have existing footage that makes that idea work reasonably well. It's not perfect, but it's reasonable enough for the audience to accept.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 12, 2015 11:23:55 GMT -5
I think simulating what Donner would have done with the limits of footage available is what fascinates... Originally of course it was time reversal, but at the time STM took the ending, I do think the memory kiss was possible, but.....since Mank was insistent that it was a poor idea, probably they'd be resistant to Lois's knowing his secret, too..... Hence, a REALLY hard story fix to solve. What would Mank have written?
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Post by atp on Aug 21, 2015 13:43:09 GMT -5
when is the selutron cut going to be officially released?
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 22, 2015 0:31:20 GMT -5
when is the selutron cut going to be officially released? I'd be a little suprised if Selutron actually finished it off. Would be nice to see, but if showing Mank the rough cut wasn't enough to get the wheels started at all.... that, plus the dvd sales sinking.... I doubt it'll ever be officially released. |
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Post by Metallo on Aug 23, 2015 13:42:13 GMT -5
I'm honestly puzzled why everyone is trying to concoct some never-before-seen ending to S2. Having Lois know at the end seems like the most mature and reasonable conclusion... AND we have existing footage that makes that idea work reasonably well. It's not perfect, but it's reasonable enough for the audience to accept. I like this best. It's ballsy but then so was was having Lois and superman sleep together on film so I don't see the big issue. It departs from cannon but they never went that far in canon up to that point without it being some imaginary story. Memory erasing kiss is mental rape and not his choice to make. At least he could have asked her if she wanted that burden taken away. Turning back time again is just awful. And it makes the whole movie pointless makes me personally feel less satisfied. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 23, 2015 17:33:38 GMT -5
I'm honestly puzzled why everyone is trying to concoct some never-before-seen ending to S2. Having Lois know at the end seems like the most mature and reasonable conclusion... AND we have existing footage that makes that idea work reasonably well. It's not perfect, but it's reasonable enough for the audience to accept. I like this best. It's ballsy but then so was was having Lois and superman sleep together on film so I don't see the big issue. It departs from cannon but they never went that far in canon up to that point without it being some imaginary story. Memory erasing kiss is mental rape and not his choice to make. At least he could have asked her if she wanted that burden taken away. Turning back time again is just awful. And it makes the whole movie pointless makes me personally feel less satisfied. That's a good point. Did I mention that the original Lester script had Clark using his heat vision on the water that he gives to Lois? If they went THAT way, it'd definitely freak out audiences nowadays, I think! The 'magic kiss' is so fantasy-based, that I was okay with the idea--- but the execution is so mundane and Lois looks so awful in it, that I think Verisimilitude's cut (where he has Lois' pov momentary flashbacks of things that would have been erased) shows how it could have been used AND felt more "Donneresque/sentimental" rather than feeling like (to me): "Damn, we wrote ourselves into a hole, what's a cheap artistic way to backpedal?"*. On the other hand- I hear you about just having Lois remember.... but it definitely would have made any sequels that followed more challenging creatively. If Mank and Donner stayed, then maybe Lois and Clark might have had a relationship closer to Mank's series (if I remember right) "Hart to Hart"- where both were equals to a degree? Or maybe it would borrow more heavily from the good parts of "Lois and Clark" where Lois DID know Clark was Superman. ((^SIV I thought had an interesting way of tackling the memory kiss bit--- but at the same time, I think it also showed later on in the script how cumbersome that plot element was to keep going forward with it. )) |
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Post by atp on Aug 23, 2015 17:48:44 GMT -5
I don't think Lois remembering would have been a problem for sequels.
If you watch S3, you will see that all of Lois' scenes would actually have worked just as well in the context of her knowing.
Even the weird looks she gives Clark at the start and end of the movie would fit with her knowing.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 23, 2015 18:02:55 GMT -5
I don't think Lois remembering would have been a problem for sequels. If you watch S3, you will see that all of Lois' scenes would actually have worked just as well in the context of her knowing. Even the weird looks she gives Clark at the start and end of the movie would fit with her knowing. Hm....interesting! If Donner/Mank did that and stayed, then they could have used Lois' awareness of Clark being Superman to their advantage writing-wise for more mature material. For example, if Lois knew Clark was Superman- she'd probably be even more competitive over story scoops in front of Perry & there would be a lot for Reeve and Kidder to play with in subtext if they were fighting over getting this/that assignment in front of other people. |
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Post by Metallo on Aug 23, 2015 20:58:46 GMT -5
They could have had a lot of fun with Lois knowing. Even on Smallville they went ahead with the idea of Lois knowing from the start. It was just too stupid to erase her mind. They used up that convoluted card with Lex.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 23, 2015 22:56:14 GMT -5
They could have had a lot of fun with Lois knowing. Even on Smallville they went ahead with the idea of Lois knowing from the start. It was just too stupid to erase her mind. They used up that convoluted card with Lex. If Smallville avoided memory wipes, resurrections, and Lana storylines, it would have been a MUCH better show... |
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Post by atp on Jul 23, 2022 12:08:19 GMT -5
When will.it be released?
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