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Post by Metallo on May 16, 2019 21:51:36 GMT -5
www.darkhorizons.com/robert-pattinson-is-the-batman/So...Robert Pattinson is might be the new Batman. Wouldn’t have been my first choice. The internet is about to explode. I’ll give him a chance since there have been so many cases where some fans complain about how terrible the casting is and it ends up working out. Sometimes it doesn’t but it could go either way. Maybe Reeves sees something in him. Production starts this fall for a June 25 2021 release. This is years away. I definitely think this is a reboot disconnected from the DCEU. 4 years is the same amount of time as there was between Nolan’s Batman and Snyder’s. Reeves would want some space to distance his Batman from the last one in peoples minds. Edit - decided to change the topic since Deadline has cast some doubt on Variety’s story.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 21, 2019 19:26:53 GMT -5
www.darkhorizons.com/robert-pattinson-is-the-batman/So...Robert Pattinson is might be the new Batman. Wouldn’t have been my first choice. The internet is about to explode. I’ll give him a chance since there have been so many cases where some fans complain about how terrible the casting is and it ends up working out. Sometimes it doesn’t but it could go either way. Maybe Reeves sees something in him. Production starts this fall for a June 25 2021 release. This is years away. I definitely think this is a reboot disconnected from the DCEU. 4 years is the same amount of time as there was between Nolan’s Batman and Snyder’s. Reeves would want some space to distance his Batman from the last one in peoples minds. Edit - decided to change the topic since Deadline has cast some doubt on Variety’s story. Yeah... read that, too... I would prefer Pattinson over Hoult, though I think he's fantastic as young Beast. And- over that--- such a freaking waste NOT to try to pull Bale back in while he's still old enough to play Batman. Sort of like wasting years of Harrison Ford, Mark Hamill, and Carrie Fisher when they could have done several movies with them before. Ugh. |
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Post by Metallo on May 21, 2019 20:07:17 GMT -5
You mean young enough to play Batman? Either way he could still come back years down the line and do something with an older Batman ala Kingdom Come, Dark Knight Returns, or Batman Beyond. Honestly if I had my way I’d beg Bale and Routh to come back, give Bale a ton of money, and pretend like the DCEU didn’t happen. Cast a new league around them in a new continuity based on their movies. WB had the perfect chance to do it with them years before Marvel and they blew it.
Hoult actually comes off more as a Superman type to me than a Batman type. Taller, more innocent and clean cut looking, more All American kid (even though he’s not even American). I’m sure he could probably play Batman well but he’s a better fit for other roles. That’s why he was so good as Hank McCoy: a nice glasses wearing whiz kid.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 22, 2019 23:39:48 GMT -5
You mean young enough to play Batman? Either way he could still come back years down the line and do something with an older Batman ala Kingdom Come, Dark Knight Returns, or Batman Beyond. Honestly if I had my way I’d beg Bale and Routh to come back, give Bale a ton of money, and pretend like the DCEU didn’t happen. Cast a new league around them in a new continuity based on their movies. WB had the perfect chance to do it with them years before Marvel and they blew it. Hoult actually comes off more as a Superman type to me than a Batman type. Taller, more innocent and clean cut looking, more All American kid (even though he’s not even American). I’m sure he could probably play Batman well but he’s a better fit for other roles. That’s why he was so good as Hank McCoy: a nice glasses wearing whiz kid. Singer said that he would have used Hoult if he was going for full reboot for Superman--- but - much like Donner talking about Mel Gibson as Superman- I take it with a grain of salt. I HOPE they weren't serious about it. |
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Post by Metallo on May 23, 2019 7:58:14 GMT -5
I like him but to me he’s not square jawed and matinee idol looking enough. Unless they were going for a reinvention. He could work for that. It for a traditional Superman he doesn’t have the looks or the screen presence.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 24, 2019 14:23:21 GMT -5
I like him but to me he’s not square jawed and matinee idol looking enough. Unless they were going for a reinvention. He could work for that. It for a traditional Superman he doesn’t have the looks or the screen presence. Agreed. Superboy, maybe... but even then I think Christoper Gerard's version would still be ahead. Good actor, but in my mind I can't picture it. On the other hand, I couldn't picture Chris Evans as Captain America, so, my judgement isn't perfect with casting... |
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Post by Metallo on May 24, 2019 17:09:33 GMT -5
Evans Cap doesn’t perfectly fit the classic comic book look for Cap but no actor who is worth it does. I thought Matt Salinger had the height and the jawline but he didn’t really have the screen presence or the physique.  Reb Brown had the physique and the height but he wasn’t a very good actor.  You could probably find a b movie action guy or a wrestler or body builder that had the perfect look but Evans was closer than most. You could say that about most superhero actors. How many of them REALLY look like the comic come to life. Reeve? Lynda Carter? Maybe Hemsworth? It’s a short list. I think with most actors they go with the close enough idea and do what they can with make up and hair and working out and costumes to get them closer. We’ve had a couple of punishers who looked the part in Lundgren and Stevenson but I think Bernthal and Jane were the better actors. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 24, 2019 23:46:13 GMT -5
Evans Cap doesn’t perfectly fit the classic comic book look for Cap but no actor who is worth it does. I thought Matt Salinger had the height and the jawline but he didn’t really have the screen presence or the physique. Reb Brown had the physique and the height but he wasn’t a very good actor. You could probably find a b movie action guy or a wrestler or body builder that had the perfect look but Evans was closer than most. You could say that about most superhero actors. How many of them REALLY look like the comic come to life. Reeve? Lynda Carter? Maybe Hemsworth? It’s a short list. I think with most actors they go with the close enough idea and do what they can with make up and hair and working out and costumes to get them closer. We’ve had a couple of punishers who looked the part in Lundgren and Stevenson but I think Bernthal and Jane were the better actors. Matt Salinger had a great look.... it's a pity that he really had no chance with that script and director. |
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Post by Metallo on May 25, 2019 10:07:59 GMT -5
I thought he had the look better than Evans but he just never got the character because of what you say. The rubber suit was iffy too. Good idea (better than spandex) but poorly executed.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 26, 2019 20:56:47 GMT -5
I thought he had the look better than Evans but he just never got the character because of what you say. The rubber suit was iffy too. Good idea (better than spandex) but poorly executed. I know we've talked about it before in depth, but I still feel that annoyance (unless insurance got in the way/union rules) that Cap the movie coulda/shoulda been packed with low-budget action at the least, if the story was going to be so lame... |
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Post by Metallo on May 27, 2019 15:33:59 GMT -5
Didn’t have the money. That’s why there’s so little action. They were scraping for cash every day while they were filming. It was such an ill equipped production.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 27, 2019 18:07:16 GMT -5
Didn’t have the money. That’s why there’s so little action. They were scraping for cash every day while they were filming. It was such an ill equipped production. I wonder if they even made their $4.29 back on their investment.... |
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Post by Metallo on May 27, 2019 23:28:10 GMT -5
Joes a fanboy himself when it comes to certain things and also like that he’s done things that were against type.
With Snyder I guess he means well but his passion isn’t for the story or at least putting the work in for the story. With Nolan you can tell the story and the quality of it is everything. He can execute on the deep ideas he brings up unlike Snyder.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 30, 2019 3:03:44 GMT -5
Didn’t have the money. That’s why there’s so little action. They were scraping for cash every day while they were filming. It was such an ill equipped production. It's kind of sad that the action in that film way back then for 40 cents = the action in Netflix's Iron Fist season 1 with a substantially higher budget.... ;p |
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Post by Metallo on May 30, 2019 16:27:35 GMT -5
Iron Fist was rushed and poorly managed from the start compared to something like Daredevil. DDs team had the time to plan and do things and had the money they needed when they needed it. Remember...  Sometimes it’s not just about budget but having a reliable/dependable budget. Like you said you can do decent stuff for cheap if the time and planning is put into place. Captain America turned out the way it did for many of the same reason Superman IV did. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 30, 2019 17:08:18 GMT -5
Iron Fist was rushed and poorly managed from the start compared to something like Daredevil. DDs team had the time to plan and do things and had the movie they needed when they needed it. Remember... Sometimes it’s not just about budget but having a reliable/dependable budget. Like you said you can do decent stuff for cheap if the time and planning is put into place. Captain America turned out the way it did for many of the same reason Superman IV did. Ironically, I still like Superman IV (any version) over Superman III- the one with a younger cast, big budget and story intact. Reasons why? Reeve doesn't hold back in his performance- whether it's a dollar or a million dollar budget- and there's elements here and there (i.e. the score) that still make me glad that we got a little more Reeve as Superman rather than having Superman III be the end of any more Reeve as Supes material. But here's the thing: half of the scenes in Superman IV have nothing to do with action. Reeve had some serious scenes with Lois (though a bit off from the decision not to have Lois really remember), some comical scenes with Lacey as Clark, some fun 'frenemy' scenes with Lex- Low budget Captain America could have written other scenes that would have had more interest if they knew they had zero budget- if hiring a WGA screenwriter cost too much, there were plenty of comic book writers familiar with Captain America that they could have paid maybe less than WGA rates on and gotten their input (or even script). So, that's how I view it--- Similar with Iron Fist- I wasn't happy to forgive the painful (finger quotes) 'action' scenes of season 1- but I would have forgiven it if they drew upon all those character bits from the first run of Iron Fist with Claremont just revving up as writer for X-men (actually it might have been at the same time)--- there were PLENTY of non-action scenes that were interesting in the comics.... So- if there's no source material to use, that's one thing.... but if you have great resources and totally ignore it- I'm much harder on the final product.... |
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Post by Metallo on May 30, 2019 19:03:01 GMT -5
Iron Fist was rushed and poorly managed from the start compared to something like Daredevil. DDs team had the time to plan and do things and had the movie they needed when they needed it. Remember... Sometimes it’s not just about budget but having a reliable/dependable budget. Like you said you can do decent stuff for cheap if the time and planning is put into place. Captain America turned out the way it did for many of the same reason Superman IV did. Ironically, I still like Superman IV (any version) over Superman III- the one with a younger cast, big budget and story intact. Reasons why? Reeve doesn't hold back in his performance- whether it's a dollar or a million dollar budget- and there's elements here and there (i.e. the score) that still make me glad that we got a little more Reeve as Superman rather than having Superman III be the end of any more Reeve as Supes material. But here's the thing: half of the scenes in Superman IV have nothing to do with action. Reeve had some serious scenes with Lois (though a bit off from the decision not to have Lois really remember), some comical scenes with Lacey as Clark, some fun 'frenemy' scenes with Lex- Low budget Captain America could have written other scenes that would have had more interest if they knew they had zero budget- if hiring a WGA screenwriter cost too much, there were plenty of comic book writers familiar with Captain America that they could have paid maybe less than WGA rates on and gotten their input (or even script). So, that's how I view it--- Similar with Iron Fist- I wasn't happy to forgive the painful (finger quotes) 'action' scenes of season 1- but I would have forgiven it if they drew upon all those character bits from the first run of Iron Fist with Claremont just revving up as writer for X-men (actually it might have been at the same time)--- there were PLENTY of non-action scenes that were interesting in the comics.... So- if there's no source material to use, that's one thing.... but if you have great resources and totally ignore it- I'm much harder on the final product.... I agree with a lot of that. The issue with what you’re saying though is that captain America’s producers still had to pay their crew just to shoot what you’re talking about. How do you do non action scenes when you can’t even shoot anything? You also have to secure locations. What about getting to them? Getting and transporting equipment? Who knows what planning was done for that or if they did it last minute. When I say captain America was start stop it was very much that. The production was probably more unorganized and more poorly funded than IV which at least initially had WBs half of the budget to depend on when Cannon didn’t put much money in. Was Captain America’s crew as good and experienced as even Superman IVs? Remember that Captain America sat on the shelf for 2 years and even then it only got a direct to video release in the US. I bet part of that was trying to find money for post production and also getting it distributed. It didn’t even have the resources behind it that Superman IV did. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 31, 2019 0:53:46 GMT -5
Ironically, I still like Superman IV (any version) over Superman III- the one with a younger cast, big budget and story intact. Reasons why? Reeve doesn't hold back in his performance- whether it's a dollar or a million dollar budget- and there's elements here and there (i.e. the score) that still make me glad that we got a little more Reeve as Superman rather than having Superman III be the end of any more Reeve as Supes material. But here's the thing: half of the scenes in Superman IV have nothing to do with action. Reeve had some serious scenes with Lois (though a bit off from the decision not to have Lois really remember), some comical scenes with Lacey as Clark, some fun 'frenemy' scenes with Lex- Low budget Captain America could have written other scenes that would have had more interest if they knew they had zero budget- if hiring a WGA screenwriter cost too much, there were plenty of comic book writers familiar with Captain America that they could have paid maybe less than WGA rates on and gotten their input (or even script). So, that's how I view it--- Similar with Iron Fist- I wasn't happy to forgive the painful (finger quotes) 'action' scenes of season 1- but I would have forgiven it if they drew upon all those character bits from the first run of Iron Fist with Claremont just revving up as writer for X-men (actually it might have been at the same time)--- there were PLENTY of non-action scenes that were interesting in the comics.... So- if there's no source material to use, that's one thing.... but if you have great resources and totally ignore it- I'm much harder on the final product.... I agree with a lot of that. The issue with what you’re saying though is that captain America’s producers still had to pay their crew just to shoot what you’re talking about. How do you do non action scenes when you can’t even shoot anything? You also have to secure locations. What about getting to them? Getting and transporting equipment? Who knows what planning was done for that or if they did it last minute. When I say captain America was start stop it was very much that. The production was probably more unorganized and more poorly funded than IV which at least initially had WBs half of the budget to depend on when Cannon didn’t put much money in. Was Captain America’s crew as good and experienced as even Superman IVs? Remember that Captain America sat on the shelf for 2 years and even then it only got a direct to video release in the US. I bet part of that was trying to find money for post production and also getting it distributed. It didn’t even have the resources behind it that Superman IV did. It's true that I'm assuming a lot of the scenario that they were in. I think good writer-directors (like Nicholas Meyer and Joss Whedon) could come up with something interesting just with a talking heads if they need to, or figure out how to work with bits and pieces.... but I really don't know the whole situation that the director was in. At a certain point, though, one wonders if a film is so incomplete or patched together that the merciful is for it to get NO release. At least they had a nice costume and a good look to the lead actor. But, still.... |
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Post by Metallo on Jun 10, 2019 20:39:54 GMT -5
No good writer with any self respect would have gone near captain America unless a ton of money was thrown their way and they did it under an alias or uncredited. Money Golan didn’t have. Remember the writers of Star Trek IV also worked on Superman IV and Meyer and Nimoy threw most of what they’d written out. Tells you how much Golan knew about hiring good writers for these kinds of movies.
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Post by Kamdan on Jun 11, 2019 13:08:21 GMT -5
No good writer with any self respect would have gone near captain America unless a ton of money was thrown their way and they did it under an alias or uncredited. Money Golan didn’t have. Remember the writers of Star Trek IV also worked on Superman IV and Meyer and Nimoy threw most of what they’d written out. Tells you how much Golan knew about hiring good writers for these kinds of movies. Konner and Rosenthal were involved with Star Trek VI, not Star Trek IV. I always wanted to hear more about their initial involvement with the story since they handled the same subject manner in Superman IV. Nimoy and Meyer maintain that none of their material appeared in the final screenplay, but they apparently arbitrated enough to be given story credit. The duo had this happen to them on The Beverly Hillbillies movie as well since director Penelope Spheeris demanded a complete overhaul on the script. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jun 11, 2019 14:43:28 GMT -5
No good writer with any self respect would have gone near captain America unless a ton of money was thrown their way and they did it under an alias or uncredited. Money Golan didn’t have. Remember the writers of Star Trek IV also worked on Superman IV and Meyer and Nimoy threw most of what they’d written out. Tells you how much Golan knew about hiring good writers for these kinds of movies. I don't know- I'm suprised how many creators are/were actually legitimate comic book fans. There could have been screenwriters that might have done it for a dollar and changing the alias, depending on their love for the material. But- then again, you had William Goldman in the 70's not wanting to write Superman for a huge amount- until he saw how good STM was. Afterwards, he did say that if he knew the quality of the final production, he would have written it. (He ended up writing a draft of Shazam after that- but haven't found that script yet)> |
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Post by Metallo on Jun 11, 2019 17:44:31 GMT -5
They might be fans but their reputation is still on the line. I think there was a stigma and there still is among some more established writers in the movie business. Recently heard an Academy member say he’d NEVER vote for an Avengers movie no matter how good it might be. Tells you right there that some filmmakers still have a bias when it comes to even working on these films.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jun 12, 2019 0:53:48 GMT -5
They might be fans but their reputation is still on the line. I think there was a stigma and there still is among some more established writers in the movie business. Recently heard an Academy member say he’d NEVER vote for an Avengers movie no matter how good it might be. Tells you right there that some filmmakers still have a bias when it comes to even working on these films. True- some filmmakers have come right out and said (wrongfully imo) that the superhero films are destroying Hollywood- Jodie Foster and the director of "Birdman" (a highly overrated film imo) are two that come to mind. On the flip side: with high caliber superhero films like "The Dark Knight" and "Black Panther" (among others)- it's getting harder and harder I think for creatives to look down their nose at the comic book film category and start to realize that it's the creative team, not the genre that is responsible for how good a film can be. God bless Kevin Feige not just for the MCU, but for making enough of them different enough so that things can feel fresh. For awhile it did start to feel like things were 'formula' in the MCU, but Feige has proven that one shouldn't underestimate the MCU as it moves forward... |
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Post by Metallo on Jun 12, 2019 12:53:40 GMT -5
Even the Monsterverse is on the ropes now. The MCU has once again shown it’s one of the few franchises in Hollywood that can still consistently deliver. It’s because they have a strategy. Dark Phoenix did everything wrong that Infinity War and Endgame did right.
People like Foster, Roland Emmerich, Ethan Hawke and others criticizing the genre are in the Hollywood bubble and too disconnected from average person to really understand what’s going on and why superhero films are making money and their films aren’t. That or they know why but won’t admit it and instead are critical in a way to appeal to a different audience. It’s a really snobbish approach that just turns the general audience off their films even more.
The reason people like that are critical of superhero movies is because the perception in the Hollywood bubble is that superhero movies are sucking up all the air in the room and taking attention away from other movies: their movies.That’s only partially true. The real issue is that superhero movies are taking the public’s attention away from the films they used to make but the reason that’s happened is that superhero films have gotten better and have evolved to cross into other genres like western, sci fi, fantasy, space opera, spy, etc.
At the same time the films that traditional Hollywood used to make aren’t as good as they used to be. The process has gotten more sloppy and less professional. That’s what left the door open for superhero films to swoop in and take their place. Don’t blame the audience for wanting the most for their money. If they want to compete they need to do a better job making and promoting their movies. But as usual failure is an orphan in Hollywood and most wont admit the real problems and their responsibility for them.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jun 12, 2019 15:16:15 GMT -5
People like Foster, Roland Emmerich, Ethan Hawke and others criticizing the genre are in the Hollywood bubble and too disconnected from average person to really understand what’s going on and why superhero films are making money and their films aren’t. That or they know why but won’t admit it and instead are critical in a way to appeal to a different audience. It’s a really snobbish approach that just turns the general audience off their films even more. The reason people like that are critical of superhero movies is because the perception in the Hollywood bubble is that superhero movies are sucking up all the air in the room and taking attention away from other movies: their movies.That’s only partially true. The real issue is that superhero movies are taking the public’s attention away from the films they used to make but the reason that’s happened is that superhero films have gotten better and have evolved to cross into other genres like western, sci fi, fantasy, space opera, spy, etc. At the same time the films that traditional Hollywood used to make aren’t as good as they used to be. The process has gotten more sloppy and less professional. That’s what left the door open for superhero films to swoop in and take their place. Don’t blame the audience for wanting the most for their money. If they want to compete they need to do a better job making and promoting their movies. But as usual failure is an orphan in Hollywood and most wont admit the real problems and their responsibility for them. Right one hundred percent. This situation with the rich and famous bitching about superhero films taking away support for their vanity projects kind of makes me think of Eddie Murphy's interview where he talked about the difference between his first classic televised standup show versus the second one (which wasn't as successful). In his words, the first one was before he got all the Hollywood success and the material was more relatable to 'everyman'. The second one drew from his personal experiences, too- but experiences after he was a Hollywood success and far less relatable. The movies that connect to Foster, Emmerich, and Ethan Hawke are probably so 'niche' that the average person isn't dying to spend money on. On the flip side, too--- their implication that audiences are lowering their standards to see these superhero films is ridiculous--- just because an expensive superhero film comes out- if it sucks, like the Fantastic Four reboot and now Dark Phoenix, (or even mediocre like Justice League sometimes) the movies will get punished just like any other genre that produces a bad movie. It is possible, too, that no one has asked them to the party and its pure sour grapes. |
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