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Post by Metallo on Feb 3, 2019 12:39:34 GMT -5
www.darkhorizons.com/james-gunn-nearly-helmed-superman/Sounds like their way of doing things is giving any Director their pick of what they want to develop. I can see why he turned it down. SS is a more offbeat property and he’d get more freedom to do what he wants with less questions. He could put together a whole new Squad and avoid the continuity issue. With Superman the canon of the film would be a big question. He’d also be limited by coming up with a challenge. SS should be easy. WB just overthought it.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Feb 3, 2019 23:56:21 GMT -5
www.darkhorizons.com/james-gunn-nearly-helmed-superman/Sounds like their way of doing things is giving any Director their pick of what they want to develop. I can see why he turned it down. SS is a more offbeat property and he’d get more freedom to do what he wants with less questions. He could put together a whole new Squad and avoid the continuity issue. With Superman the canon of the film would be a big question. He’d also be limited by coming up with a challenge. SS should be easy. WB just overthought it. The director of the panned "Winkle in Time" reportedly also went to WB/DC about New Gods, not the other way around. Patty Jenkins supposedly constantly chased down WB/DC for Wonder Woman for the longest time, and Singer was always excited about Superman... and Nolan had to give a pitch himself and had a presentation for doing Batman. I never pictured Gunn being right for Superman, but it is fascinating that they let him pick and choose- that had to feel good coming off of Disney's exiling of him. Teen Titans or Doom Patrol might have been a good fit (though the photos of Doom Patrol the tv show look promising).... maybe Green Lantern could have worked under him. In any case, it makes the Squad sequel more interesting to me, knowing it was Gunn's choice. Will see.... |
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Post by Metallo on Feb 4, 2019 9:44:47 GMT -5
From what I understand WB offered Ava DuVernay several films much as they did Gunn and she chose New Gods. The others are right though. They all pitched to WB. The thing now seems to be to let a prospect choose what they fit (then micromanage the heII our of them). WB does this a lot now. The same thing happened with the guys working on Flash. Disney does the same with a lot of directors so it’s not just WB.
I think you’re right about Gunn. Superman just wasn’t the right fit. He does well with offbeat niche stuff. He should get away from anything like GOTG so I can see why he wouldn’t do green lantern. Suicide Squad gives him a quirky off the beaten path team of misfits to work with but beyond that it’s totally different from the guardians. It’s not cosmic, they aren’t misunderstood...they’re out and out murderers so they aren’t as sympathetic as a Star Lord or Gamora. It would automatically be grittier because it’s more real world.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Feb 5, 2019 1:16:14 GMT -5
From what I understand WB offered Ava DuVernay several films much as they did Gunn and she chose New Gods. The others are right though. They all pitched to WB. The thing now seems to be to let a prospect choose what they fit (then micromanage the heII our of them). WB does this a lot now. The same thing happened with the guys working on Flash. Disney does the same with a lot of directors so it’s not just WB. I think you’re right about Gunn. Superman just wasn’t the right fit. He does well with offbeat niche stuff. He should get away from anything like GOTG so I can see why he wouldn’t do green lantern. Suicide Squad gives him a quirky off the beaten path team of misfits to work with but beyond that it’s totally different from the guardians. It’s not cosmic, they aren’t misunderstood...they’re out and out murderers so they aren’t as sympathetic as a Star Lord or Gamora. It would automatically be grittier because it’s more real world. Still... as much as I loved (and was suprised by) GOTG--- I was wary because I was definitely not a fan of "Super" (which the commentary shows Gunn to be GREATLY proud of) nor 'The Specials'.... so I just am not 100% percent confident of Gunn's aesthetics. |
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Post by Metallo on Feb 5, 2019 10:12:38 GMT -5
Nobodies perfect but some people just aren’t the right fit no matter how talented they are. I wish more people in Hollywood who can pick and choose would admit that.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Feb 5, 2019 15:46:55 GMT -5
Nobodies perfect but some people just aren’t the right fit no matter how talented they are. I wish more people in Hollywood who can pick and choose would admit that. I think also it’s hard for anyone (not just artists) to be objective about themselves. But i always go back to Goyer saying on tape that he was definitely the wrong guy to write Superman years back. |
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Post by Metallo on Feb 5, 2019 18:12:43 GMT -5
They don’t want to lose an opportunity. I totally get it. For someone hard on their luck and desperate for work I don’t blame them but when you can call some of your own shots it’s nothing but pure ego to take something that deep down you know you’re wrong for. It’s a vain and ego driven business so there’s no shortage of those. Goyers ego and greed got the best of him. I think he wanted to be the next JJ Abrams with a lot of irons in the fire as a writer director and producer. I saw where he said the same thing on the Blade 1 dvd.
Most people in Hollywood won't admit they screwed up. Again I understand it’s to protect their careee but sometimes they take it too far. I know it stings to put your heart and soul into something that gets torn apart and one gets angry defending it but they’ll never get better unless they recognize and admit their failures even if it’s just to themselves.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Feb 5, 2019 22:08:06 GMT -5
They don’t want to lose an opportunity. I totally get it. For someone hard on their luck and desperate for work I don’t blame them but when you can call some of your own shots it’s nothing but pure ego to take something that deep down you know you’re wrong for. It’s a vain and ego driven business so there’s no shortage of those. Goyers ego and greed got the best of him. I think he wanted to be the next JJ Abrams with a lot of irons in the fire as a writer director and producer. I saw where he said the same thing on the Blade 1 dvd. Most people in Hollywood won't admit they screwed up. Again I understand it’s to protect their careee but sometimes they take it too far. I know it stings to put your heart and soul into something that gets torn apart and one gets angry defending it but they’ll never get better unless they recognize and admit their failures even if it’s just to themselves. I have a feeling Goyer just convinced himself that he 'solved the problem' with figuring out how to introduce Superman to a new generation- whereas with Geoff Johns, he's said for a long time that it wasn't a problem of changing Superman to 'fit the times' --- but that it was a lack of imagination on the writers' part. Ultimately, it had to be the WB who's most at fault. If money is offered to any writer to write anything- then I can't really blame them for not passing up on the money, but it's the fault of the studio for accepting this/that script for the property they own. |
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Post by Metallo on Feb 6, 2019 8:01:18 GMT -5
I agree. Knowing Goyers history it sounds like his way of thinking. I know he talked about cracking the problem when he came up with MOS. All he did was take the basic origin we’ve seen over and over again and apply Christopher Nolan’s style to it.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Feb 7, 2019 0:51:46 GMT -5
I agree. Knowing Goyers history it sounds like his way of thinking. I know he talked about cracking the problem when he came up with MOS. All he did was take the basic origin we’ve seen over and over again and apply Christopher Nolan’s style to it. It's always hard for me to 'hate' Goyer 100 percent, as he is somewhat responsible for "Batman Begins" and "The Dark Knight"--- (not to mention the first Blade movie)--- much like it's hard to ever hate George Lucas for 2 1/2 Star Wars films and the Indiana Jones' series.... despite the prequels. |
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Post by Metallo on Feb 7, 2019 10:53:13 GMT -5
I don’t hate him 100 percent either. He did write Blade 1 and 2 after all. Even if he didn’t make them great he helped make them happen. They kicked off a new era of comic book movies and showed Marvel could be successful on the big screen. I hate him like...90 percent at most  |
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