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Post by Metallo on Mar 18, 2019 16:56:58 GMT -5
www.darkhorizons.com/warners-bros-ceo-kevin-tsujihara-exits/Another big shot Hollywood scumbag taken out (professionally speaking) because of his own vices and stupidity. Live by the corporate sword die by the corporate sword. If you ask me it’s long overdue. I thought there was a chance this would happen especially post merger. The new bosses don’t want any controversy especially in this era. WB has had some issues lately. The LEGO movies after the first one haven’t performed as well as they hoped. The Fantastic Beasts movies have been on a downward trajectory. The DCEU launched at the start of Tsujihara’s tenure and nearly collapsed during it too. Things have been turning around since then but the future is still a little cloudy with Flash being a behind the scenes mess, the exits of Affleck and Cavill, and the uncertainly of the future of Superman. Could this departure cause shakeups in the WB hierarchy that affect DC Films? I kinda doubt it. Things have been successful under Hamada and unless he gets promoted I think their course won’t change. But...ya never know.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 18, 2019 22:11:46 GMT -5
www.darkhorizons.com/warners-bros-ceo-kevin-tsujihara-exits/Another big shot Hollywood scumbag taken out (professionally speaking) because of his own vices and stupidity. Live by the corporate sword die by the corporate sword. If you ask me it’s long overdue. I thought there was a chance this would happen especially post merger. The new bosses don’t want any controversy especially in this era. WB has had some issues lately. The LEGO movies after the first one haven’t performed as well as they hoped. The Fantastic Beasts movies have been on a downward trajectory. The DCEU launched at the start of Tsujihara’s tenure and nearly collapsed during it too. Things have been turning around since then but the future is still a little cloudy with Flash being a behind the scenes mess, the exits of Affleck and Cavill, and the uncertainly of the future of Superman. Could this departure cause shakeups in the WB hierarchy that affect DC Films? I kinda doubt it. Things have been successful under Hamada and unless he gets promoted I think their course won’t change. But...ya never know. I don't know--- with what's come out from James Gunn to Joss Whedon to Affleck to Brett Ratner to Weinstein to Cosby, etc.... It seems like there should be a 'tier' system of severity, since there's no more 'guilty by internet without proof needed anymore'... Also- I'm gotten to a point where I'm pretty cynical. I've known men and women in my life who both have lied about things that might have caused damage, but have also seen them somehow see themselves as the victim of this/that whole thing. Particularly when there's a financial gain to be had legally... But, the flip over of having to prove something in court to the internet Judge Dredd (so to speak) I'm not a fan of... but I don' t know when/how/if that will ever change. But- I do think that talented folks who have the more minor situations that don't cross over to the criminal (cheating on a wife but consensual between the cheaters) can create good art should have a different punishment: they have to have two studio bodyguards watching their behavior on/off set during the time they make a film- and that 95% of the profits have to go to the victims or victims' families. So, my punishment would be different in that (1) it would ensure NOTHING happens from this point forward if he/she is being watched 24/7 under lock and key- and (2) any financial rewards from creative talent would primarily benefit the victims of perhaps charitable organizations from that point forward, too. But- I'm not in charge, but if I were- that's what I think I would do. On a side note: I'm cynical enough to think that this isn't the first era of Hollywood where a lot of the horrible stuff hasn't happened in earlier times with big money, drugs, alcohol, and egos.... and I have a feeling that it's not necessarily going to stop in this generation- but I'm mixed on whether or not information isn't being leaked for the higher good out of Hollywood or if there aren't other agendas behind it at times. (Though not restricted to Hollywood at this point). As far as Tsujihara's laundry: If everything is true- it doesn't quite sound like it's on the same level as the Weinstein cases, or really even close....but this is IF the relationship was consensual- that's the heart of it imo.... if he tried to convince a director to use a mistress for this/that movie, that's one thing.... but if the relationship was forced on someone, that's a whole other matter. Plus, I think not blocking investigations is a good sign..... I'm sick of politicians that try to stop investigations and claim their innocence at the same time. So, there's that. |
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Post by Metallo on Mar 19, 2019 9:01:56 GMT -5
Stuff like this happens all the time. Everywhere. Tsujihara’s problem is it got put out there in the public. It’s bad for WB’s imagine. It’s not necessarily illegal but he’s the boss and trading sex for roles is very unprofessional. He’s probably lost a lot of people’s trust and faith and at that level you need that. I’m sure it wasn’t a secret or at least it was an open secret but it’s all about perceptions. Warner-Media wants positive perceptions and someone everyone working for them has some level of professional trust in. If he’d just cheated on his wife that would be their own business.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 19, 2019 14:47:05 GMT -5
Stuff like this happens all the time. Everywhere. Tsujihara’s problem is it got put out there in the public. It’s bad for WB’s imagine. It’s not necessarily illegal but he’s the boss and trading sex for roles is very unprofessional. He’s probably lost a lot of people’s trust and faith and at that level you need that. I’m sure it wasn’t a secret or at least it was an open secret but it’s all about perceptions. Warner media wants positive perceptions and someone everyone working for them has some level of professional trust in. If he’d just cheated on his wife that would be their own business. I think my bias is that i’ve seen and known so many amateur filmmakers and actors (men and women) that are both great people and horrible people too.... so in arts i try to distance myself with the people and the art so to speak.... there are some cases where the crimes mentioned are so terrible that i can’t separate it- but from what i’ve read so far it seems small change depending on whether or not he got his girlfriend an interview and/ or whether or not there was an actual consequence if the filmmaker didn’t hire her... Also- Nobody is hired in arts primarily for their altruistic traits- unfortunately.... but optics i know are a part of business..... but, again, i’m only talking about a non-criminal level of corruption - not the Weinstein or Cosby level. If overall the attention helps lower the incidence of this stuff happening it’s one thing- but if not... i hope it’s not the reverse and enabling opportunities for people to ruin reputations without cause... |
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Post by Metallo on Mar 19, 2019 16:18:08 GMT -5
Thing is I don’t think it was the affair that got him canned. It was what the affair caused him to do. He used his position to pressure people to put this woman in movies in exchange for sex. Like I said if he’d never been caught I don’t think WB would have cared but it looks bad for the company. Not to mention it’s a distraction from other company business. He’d be asked about this instead of other plans WB has all the time. This isn’t rare or new or shocking but hey that’s why it’s called show business instead of show friends. Business is business and Tsujihara’s disrupting business. Business got Snyder canned so again I can’t feel too sorry for Tsujihara. It’s the nature of the beast.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 20, 2019 0:18:46 GMT -5
Thing is I don’t think it was the affair that got him canned. It was what the affair caused him to do. He used his position to pressure people to put this woman in movies in exchange for sex. Like I said if he’d never been caught I don’t think WB would have cared but it looks bad for the company. Not to mention it’s a distraction from other company business. He’d be asked about this instead of other plans WB has all the time. This isn’t rare or new or shocking but hey that’s why it’s called show business instead of show friends. Business is business and Tsujihara’s disrupting business. Business got Snyder canned so again I can’t feel too sorry for Tsujihara. It’s the nature of the beast. I generally don't feel sorry for folks who make a million times what I make in a year, actually...  But I just have this feeling that - as you said- it probably isn't that rare or shocking at all. I'm not sure that general audiences care/ cared about Joss Whedon's marital affairs, or James Gunn's old jokes, and I still kind of believe that there needs to be a system that doesn't make accusations= final verdict right off the bat... but, I don't know. I'm more wary about the larger machine that seems in place over a studio head or a filmmaker. I am glad to re-read that the gal in question did say it was consensual, though. Not good for the wife, but at least the crime is business related, not a case like Cosby or Weinstein.... |
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Post by Metallo on Mar 20, 2019 8:59:02 GMT -5
I don’t think most people are outraged. Most people don’t even know about this.
What Tsujihara did isn’t nearly as bad as Cosby or even Weinstein but what he did was worse than Whedon. Whedon had affairs. Never heard of him giving women jobs or pressuring people under him to give people jobs in exchange for sex. That’s what Tsujihara did and that’s what got him fired. Pressuring his employees to give someone a job because she was having an affair with him was very unprofessional. I think WB knows they don’t need that especially if those people complain to higher ups. It’s the fact that he mixed business with his personal that got him canned. If she’d just been his piece on the side the higher ups and Warner Media probably wouldn’t have cared.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 20, 2019 12:58:19 GMT -5
I don’t think most people are outraged. Most people don’t even know about this. What Tsujihara did isn’t nearly as bad as Cosby or even Weinstein but what he did was worse than Whedon. Whedon had affairs. Never heard of him giving women jobs or pressuring people under him to give people jobs in exchange for sex. That’s what Tsujihara did and that’s what got him fired. Pressuring his employees to give someone a job because she was having an affair with him was very unprofessional. I think WB knows they don’t need that especially if those people complain to higher ups. It’s the fact that he mixed business with his personal that got him canned. If she’d just been his piece on the side the higher ups and Warner Media probably wouldn’t have cared. Agreed- there was never a 'casting couch' for Whedon and very glad that wasn't the case. (If it had, it would have come out by now) There's a couple of things I do wonder on this: (1) Does this behavior happen anyways before/after Tsuihara & he just got caught? (2) To what degree did the pressure happen? --- again, is this blown out of proportion or is this really something out of the norm for Hollywood? I think because we see so many director's girlfriends or wives cast in leads for their movies, I'm not even sure what the protocol is for nepotism in that industry.... is it ok for a director to cast his mistress for a lead? If so, is it ok for a producer to cast his mistress for a lead? Fortunately, I'm not in that industry... |
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Post by Metallo on Mar 20, 2019 17:14:08 GMT -5
Well I haven’t read anything about him threatening anyone with termination if they didn’t get her roles. It sounds more like he just pressured and pestered directors or had someone do it for him.
Thing is Brett Ratner was ALSO mixed up in his doing Tsujiharas bidding and he has been accused of sexual harassment so that makes it all even worse. It was partly their dealings through all this that helped secure RatPacs deal at WB.
I don’t know if Tsujihara has done this before but it’s always happened in Hollywood and will continue to happen as long as people are willing to do anything to advance in the industry no matter what. It’s that way in every industry. People trade everything for positions. Sex, money, drugs, you name it.
I think in this day in age it’s harder to hide so it’s probably not as ignored as it used to be because it could take down more people if it’s ever exposed. In the era of phone hacks and internet leaks and tmz it’s even harder to keep it under wraps and now more than ever corporations are looking out for...the corporations. Everyone is expendable to protect the money and the company.
Plenty of directors cast their wives girlfriends etc. Spielberg sorta did it. Burtons done it his whole career. Lots of actresses are with writers and directors. Tons of people do it. It’s definitely a sort of nepotism that goes on but there’s not much that can be done about that besides people complaining. Tsujiharas case is different because he’s not a writer or director but the head of the studio and he was getting other people to put his mistress in their movies. And he was trying to hide that he did it. A lot of directors who do the same don’t always hide the relationship or the perks of it.
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