Zoe Saldana almost Lois Lane in MOS?

[Metallo]

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Oh Snyder. Did he have any idea what he was doing? She and Adams are very different actresses. She would have been a different Lois (even though Lois didn’t have much of a character in the movie anyway so it’s not like it would have mattered). It’s like the whole Cranston vs Eisenberg choice for Lex.

[crazy_asian_man]

May 22, 2019 15:06:52 GMT -5 Metallo said:

screenrant.com/zack-snyder-zoe-saldana-lois-lane-man-steel/amp/

Oh Snyder. Did he have any idea what he was doing? She and Adams are very different actresses. She would have been a different Lois (even though Lois didn’t have much of a character in the movie anyway so it’s not like it would have mattered). It’s like the whole Cranston vs Eisenberg choice for Lex.

I thought Amy Adams was so soft-spoken as Lois Lane that it was so off the rails, I was longing for Kate Bosworth's Lois again.

So.... Would have made ZERO difference to me if Saldana had been Lois instead over Adams.

[Metallo]

Adams had the totally wrong personality for what they were doing. Saldana has the attitude and the fire for Lois far more than Adams but they are so different that I wonder if Snyder even knew what he was looking for. Personally I think Adams got the job off her bigger name and fame. She had more marquee value than Saldana.

[crazy_asian_man]

May 23, 2019 8:00:48 GMT -5 Metallo said:

Adams had the totally Wrong personality for what they were doing. Saldana has the attitude and the fire for Lois far more than Adams but they are so different that I wonder if Snyder even knew what he was looking for. Personally I think Adams got the job off her bigger name and fame. She had more marquee value than Saldana.

With more and more information, it makes me wonder just what exactly Snyder was thinking in prepping to adapt Superman.... (But then again, seeing Watchmen's adaptation & the awful-beyond-belief Sucker Punch makes me think he really would be great as cinematographer or art director, but not the one who should be in charge of story or casting).

[Metallo]

I think more than anything he was thinking reinvention but it was in broad strokes. In terms of specifics I don’t think he had a locked down idea of what he wanted. Joe Manganiello was one of his top choices for Superman before he had to drop out to work on True Blood and he and Cavill are very different. If anything he seemed more Snyder’s type than Cavill was.

[crazy_asian_man]

May 24, 2019 17:12:53 GMT -5 Metallo said:

I think more than anything he was thinking reinvention but it was in broad strokes. In terms of specifics I don’t think he had a locked down idea of what he wanted. Joe Manganiello was one of his top choices for Superman before he had to drop out to work on True Blood and he and Cavill are very different. If anything he seemed more Snyder’s type than Cavill was.

It's odd, because...

On one hand- yes, a lot of what he's done has been disastrous creatively imo- (though I know art is subjective, it worked for a number of folks)

But on the other hand- he actually cared enough about the film that he went all out on the dvd & even made sure that there was an extended cut.

If he didn't care, I don't see why he would go the extra distance to make sure the dvd had all the bells and whistles.... many films that get released have next to nothing on the dvd.
It's true that I'm assuming that it's a push on the director's part on how involved he/she wants to be for the dvd- but it does seem that way.

In many ways, though, of course- I'd rather have a quality film from someone who doesn't care, than a piece of crap from someone passionate about it- but... can't fault the guy for phoning it in, despite how much I despise a number of his choices.

[Metallo]

I don’t think he’s a hack but he’s got his priorities all wrong and doesn’t get certain things. He gets the technical side. That’s why the Blu-ray is loaded with content. Most of it is on technical stuff and back patting and self congratulations but don’t really tell you much or anything. Most modern Blu-ray’s are that though so I don’t blame just them. These days only retrospective releases of
Older movies tell you anything interesting in the extras.

[crazy_asian_man]

May 25, 2019 10:13:27 GMT -5 Metallo said:

I don’t think he’s a hack but he’s got his priorities all wrong and doesn’t get certain things. He gets the technical side. That’s why the Blu-ray is loaded with content. Most of it is on technical stuff and back patting and self congratulations but don’t really tell you much or anything. Most modern Blu-ray’s are that though so I don’t blame just them. These days only retrospective releases of
Older movies tell you anything interesting in the extras.

Well, he got the actors to appear (although it a really nutty way- like those old PC vs. MAC commercials- you could tell the actors didn't feel all that relaxed doing commentary in that position- who would be?)... as you said, priorities all messed up.

[Metallo]

I know it’s all staged and pre scripted but the extras for man of steel felt even more so because they were really pushing a certain narrative. The same talking points and buzzwords got pushed over and over because they were trying to replicate dark knights success Instead or doing something naturally. Snyder’s also not the best guy when it comes to articulating his ideas so it was even worse.

[crazy_asian_man]

May 27, 2019 15:38:35 GMT -5 Metallo said:

I know it’s all staged and pre scripted but the extras for man of steel felt even more so because they were really pushing a certain narrative. The same talking points and buzzwords got pushed over and over because they were trying to replicate dark knights success Instead or doing something naturally. Snyder’s also not the best guy when it comes to articulating his ideas so it was even worse.

Looked nice, and the effort was put into it- but yeah.... I would have much rather they all sat on a couch with pizza and been more natural.

[Metallo]

These days I hate that extras are more promotional than Informative. It used to be that even on newly released movies they’d actually explain the entire process in detail instead of saying “we cracked it”. I remember getting the blade 2 dvd and loving how in depth Del toro and his crew went on everything.

[crazy_asian_man]

May 27, 2019 23:32:28 GMT -5 Metallo said:

These days I hate that extras are more promotional than Informative. It used to be that even on newly released movies they’d actually explain the entire process in detail instead of saying “we cracked it”. I remember getting the blade 2 dvd and loving how in depth Del toro and his crew went on everything.

I think it depends on the creator- even when dvds were selling better, the ones that were really interested in sharing the process weren't that easy to find.

Off the top:
* While the series is mixed (and somewhat depressing)- "The Shield" is pretty fantastic overall for the process.
* Robert Rodriguez' early ones
* Peter Jackson's King Kong

More later as I recall them...

[Metallo]

The filmmaker does make a difference (or used to) in how much you see but overall the amount of work you see put into extras and in depth extras has definitely gone down across the board. The reason DVD’s used to be packed with so much was because it was the height of disc sales. They were trying to entice people interested in that stuff to buy even more. Casuals got the one disc and die hard cinefiles would get the two or three or four disc set.

Now I think not only are sales down (thus they aren’t putting as much time or money into extras) but more and more younger viewers aren’t interested in it. Our generation was the last one were more people were wowed by the HOW part of how things were made. Now younger people don’t care as much especially when more of the answer is “CGI”. It’s a digital download or a stream and that’s good enough for them. How many kids watch blockbusters on their phones these days?

[crazy_asian_man]

May 28, 2019 17:58:57 GMT -5 Metallo said:

The filmmaker does make a difference (or used to) in how much you see but overall the amount of work you see put into extras and in depth extras has definitely gone down across the board. The reason DVD’s used to be packed with so much was because it was the height of disc sales. They were trying to entice people interested in that stuff to buy even more. Casuals got the one disc and die hard cinefiles would get the two or three or four disc set.

Now I think not only are sales down (thus they aren’t putting as much time or money into extras) but more and more younger viewers aren’t interested in it. Our generation was the last one were more people were wowed by the HOW part of how things were made. Now younger people don’t care as much especially when more of the answer is “CGI”. It’s a digital download or a stream and that’s good enough for them. How many kids watch blockbusters on their phones these days?

I think it's a combination of things that made/makes a new generation less interested in the process:

(1) the process has changed drastically - now, movies can be made on an iPhone & cut with home software even amazing special effects can be done at home.
(2) those who have the inclination just go out and do it & put it on youtube.
(3) the oversaturated supply of movies and tv available.

CGI arguably has been the death of 'wow' in films visually.... but then again, it just means that moviemakers have to go back to story and character to 'wow' in films- case in point, Avengers: Endgame. There's no new effects we haven't really seen before, but it's all about the story combined with the fx as tools that are impressing audiences.... so, that's heartening. Hopefully WB/DC looks at Endgame and gets the right lessons this time.

On the flip side.... if WB really did learn their lesson, they'd have Joss Whedon as their Kevin Feige. But, they let him go, so who knows?

[Metallo]

You’re right. Everything or almost everything can be done now so it’s hard to really blow people away with big fx films unless the cgi is absolutely seamless and well used in a creative way.

There’s also more fighting for younger people’s attention and dollars like video games, online gaming, social media, etc. they also known how the cake is baked so to speak. They’re happy with a stream or download of the movie and that’s it. Especially if it’s cheaper and more of their money can go to other interests

[crazy_asian_man]

May 30, 2019 16:02:46 GMT -5 Metallo said:

You’re right. Everything or almost everything can be done now so it’s hard to really blow people away with big fx films unless the cgi is absolutely seamless and well used in a creative way.

There’s also more fighting for younger people’s attention and dollars like video games, online gaming, social media, etc. they also known how the cake is baked so to speak. They’re happy with a stream or download of the movie and that’s it. Especially if it’s cheaper and more of their money can go to other interests

Agreed- the fan community I grew up with is SO different from todays.

On the plus side, it's mainstreamed and there's amazing amount of quality product available as a result of the mainstreaming of superheroes-

But on the other hand- the material isn't valued now nearly so much as when growing up and Star Wars was a special event. Different times that are better and worse in many ways in regards to fandom.

[Metallo]

That’s true. It is more mainstream but there’s so much out there that it’s hard for most of it to stand out.