Confirmation that S2 & S3 tv cuts exist in WB vaults!!!!

[crazy_asian_man]

On a Superman movie-related FB account, in the comments, it was confirmed that S2 and S3 tv cuts exist/were found in WB vaults- but no saying WHEN they will come out!!!

Given the (thankfully) great sales of the STM tv extended.... man, here's hoping SII extended comes out soon!!!
(If sales good hopefully it'll encourage a recut of SII, too!)

[Metallo]

In widescreen? If so that’s awesome. Always preferred the tv cut of III in a lot of ways.

[crazy_asian_man]

May 27, 2019 15:40:35 GMT -5 Metallo said:

In widescreen? If so that’s awesome. Always preferred the tv cut of III in a lot of ways.

It was spoken of in a roundabout way so as not to get in trouble. I would HOPE it's widescreen.... after seeing that widescreen suprise with STM- I'd like to assume, but been so disappointed so many times I don't want to be wrong...

[Metallo]

I’m sure it’s widescreen if they brought it up but it annoyed me that it was the pan and scan version on the dvd when they used deleted scenes from the tv cut. Just surprised it survived

[Kamdan]

This isn’t really news. It has already confirmed that the TV edits of the films exist due to the deleted scenes that were included with the DVDs and Blu-rays. The question at hand is when are they going to release them.

It’s a shame that there will never be a media blitz as large as when Superman Returns came out. It was the only time we got treated with decent Superman media. The recent releases of the Batman films in 4K is an another reminder of how Superman gets the shaft when it comes to releases. It’s nice to see Superman: The Movie get a 4K release and the 3-hour cut released, but there’s much more to be desired.

Now that Snyder’s Man of Steel and the DC Extended Universe is pretty much expunged from the public eye, hopefully we can get back to the original material and get those TV edits of the sequels released. Superman III might only be available in 4X3 though. The recent Blu-ray of Earthquake has a 2K scan of the TV version so there is much interest and demand for these to presented in the highest quality possible.

[atp]

Did anything big happen in 2018 for the 40th anniversary of STM?

[crazy_asian_man]

May 30, 2019 0:33:57 GMT -5 Kamdan said:

This isn’t really news. It has already confirmed that the TV edits of the films exist due to the deleted scenes that were included with the DVDs and Blu-rays. The question at hand is when are they going to release them.

It’s a shame that there will never be a media blitz as large as when Superman Returns came out. It was the only time we got treated with decent Superman media. The recent releases of the Batman films in 4K is an another reminder of how Superman gets the shaft when it comes to releases. It’s nice to see Superman: The Movie get a 4K release and the 3-hour cut released, but there’s much more to be desired.

Now that Snyder’s Man of Steel and the DC Extended Universe is pretty much expunged from the public eye, hopefully we can get back to the original material and get those TV edits of the sequels released. Superman III might only be available in 4X3 though. The recent Blu-ray of Earthquake has a 2K scan of the TV version so there is much interest and demand for these to presented in the highest quality possible.

True... I suspected, and it was mentioned, but it was nice to see it solidly confirmed by Jim Bowers on social media that WB archives have been talked to, it's just a question of WHEN rather than 'if'--- so, hopefully the world doesn't disintegrate before then...

[Kamdan]

May 30, 2019 0:52:01 GMT -5 atp said:

Did anything big happen in 2018 for the 40th anniversary of STM?

Just the 4K remastered edition of Superman: The Movie was released. It was rereleased in theaters as well and featured a new Dolby Atmos sound mix that was the best of both worlds between the original theatrical sound mix and the Thau supervised 5.1 mix. Also included was a 5.1 edition of the theatrical sound mix that was previously only available in 2.0.

It was a shame that they didn’t include a Blu-ray edition of this new version. The 4K release simply packaged the theatrical cut Blu-ray from the boxed set. The new editions of the Batman films include remastered Blu-rays, however there is newly sparked controversy over Batman ‘89 getting a new sound mix with altered sound effects and not offering the original as an option .

The previous year saw the release of the three hour cut of the Superman: The Movie and it proved to be a top seller. This prompted much excitement and hope that we would see further releases of the TV edits of the other films and perhaps the workprint of Superman IV. It was thought that the 80th anniversary of the character would be the ideal time to release it all, but it apparently wasn’t the case.

[Metallo]

May 30, 2019 0:33:57 GMT -5 Kamdan said:

This isn’t really news. It has already confirmed that the TV edits of the films exist due to the deleted scenes that were included with the DVDs and Blu-rays. The question at hand is when are they going to release them.

It’s a shame that there will never be a media blitz as large as when Superman Returns came out. It was the only time we got treated with decent Superman media. The recent releases of the Batman films in 4K is an another reminder of how Superman gets the shaft when it comes to releases. It’s nice to see Superman: The Movie get a 4K release and the 3-hour cut released, but there’s much more to be desired.

Now that Snyder’s Man of Steel and the DC Extended Universe is pretty much expunged from the public eye, hopefully we can get back to the original material and get those TV edits of the sequels released. Superman III might only be available in 4X3 though. The recent Blu-ray of Earthquake has a 2K scan of the TV version so there is much interest and demand for these to presented in the highest quality possible.

They should have done more for the 80th/40th as far as home media releases and rereleases. It was the perfect time since 2018 wasn’t only a big anniversary year for STM and action comics but for multiple Superman related films and shows.

As you said they have once again gone back and embraced the Reeve era after the failure of the DCEU. surprised at how many times I’ve heard bits of that Williams theme alone since 2017.

May 30, 2019 7:59:56 GMT -5 Kamdan said:

It was a shame that they didn’t include a Blu-ray edition of this new version. The 4K release simply packaged the theatrical cut Blu-ray from the boxed set. The new editions of the Batman films include remastered Blu-rays, however there is newly sparked controversy over Batman ‘89 getting a new sound mix with altered sound effects and not offering the original as an option

Lol...what? Do they ever learn? You’d think at this point someone would think about how these kind of changes will be met by a number of people. Causal buyers won’t care but to die hard Batman fans and cinephiles its a huge turn off. Still pissed off over so many films and shows with altered or different music but at least I can understand that.

[atp]

The failure of the DCEU and Cavill as Superman just proves we were right in 2013.

Amazing that we could already see it was all crap just from MoS. A shame nobody listened, and instead ran off to Facebook.

Hopefully after two more crap movies, they'll have learned that perhaps we did have some valid points.

[Metallo]

History certainly has exposed a lot. I didn’t mind people liking MOS I just didn’t care for certain people shutting down or getting mad at any criticism of it...especially when some of the same people were fine with and even participated in the same criticisms of Superman Returns.

I think some people got caught up in the hype and excitement and didn’t want to see any issues with it. Phantom Menacing all over again. With time I think the consensus on the film has turned downward a little bit and the even more divisive reception to BVS made MOS look even worse through association. Some were willing to give it a chance if it led to a better second film. That (IMO) didn’t happen.

[crazy_asian_man]

May 30, 2019 16:21:45 GMT -5 Metallo said:

History certainly has exposed a lot. I didn’t mind people liking MOS I just didn’t care for certain people shutting down or getting mad at any criticism of it...especially when some of the same people were fine with and even participated in the same criticisms of Superman Returns.

I think some people got caught up in the hype and excitement and didn’t want to see any issues with it. Phantom Menacing all over again. With time I think the consensus on the film has turned downward a little bit and the even more divisive reception to BVS made MOS look even worse through association. Some were willing to give it a chance if it led to a better second film. That (IMO) didn’t happen.

Agreed. I'm totally fine with disagreements and differing points of view, but the way much of the disagreements were handled, it just became unpleasant to view even from a distance.

[atp]

It was very much a "Phantom Menace" situation. Everybody wanted it to be good, and when it wasn't good, a lot of people couldn't accept that.

It's a lot like The Emperor's New Clothes story.

[crazy_asian_man]

May 31, 2019 5:12:15 GMT -5 atp said:

It was very much a "Phantom Menace" situation. Everybody wanted it to be good, and when it wasn't good, a lot of people couldn't accept that.

It's a lot like The Emperor's New Clothes story.

I think there are parts that are good - but sadly it's a pretty superficial 'good'. (the flavor of mixing Superman origin with Independence Day did make it feel fresh, but actually Independence Day with all its flaws had more humanity to it).

I didn't mind that half of the forum liked/didn't like it, but the behavior in expressing the differences was not great. So- leading to this, a forum of basically 3-5 people and millions (ok, I'm exaggerating) of lurkers.

[Kamdan]

I was listening to the podcast Movie Moan’s series of Superman retrospectives. Were they part of the rift that caused the after mentioned problems on the message board? Just curious.

[crazy_asian_man]

Jun 7, 2019 12:58:03 GMT -5 Kamdan said:

I was listening to the podcast Movie Moan’s series of Superman retrospectives. Were they part of the rift that caused the after mentioned problems on the message board? Just curious.

I don't recall, just that the level of rudeness exploded quite a bit with differing opinions on MOS...

[atp]

I think the MOS bullying was partly rooted in the disappointments of the Donner Cut a few years earlier.

Everything changed after 2006. A lot of people realised we'd been lied to about the greatness of the Donner Cut. Dharmesh had lost interest in this place, and there was just a kind of feeling of disillusionment.

So in 2013, when the hype built for MOS, a lot of us (myself included) put a lot of faith and invested feelings into it. It was like the Phantom Menace all over again.

When the truth sank in that it was actually pretty poor, that was very difficult for some people to accept. They tried desperately to convince themselves it was fantastic.

I know, because I was one of them. I went to see it three times, each time trying to persuade myself it was a great film!

Eventually,the trauma of repeating a lie, combined with the festering trauma from the Donner cut, led many people to snap and start bullying and attacking other members.

[crazy_asian_man]

Jun 8, 2019 5:54:17 GMT -5 atp said:

I think the MOS bullying was partly rooted in the disappointments of the Donner Cut a few years earlier.

Everything changed after 2006. A lot of people realised we'd been lied to about the greatness of the Donner Cut. Dharmesh had lost interest in this place, and there was just a kind of feeling of disillusionment.

So in 2013, when the hype built for MOS, a lot of us (myself included) put a lot of faith and invested feelings into it. It was like the Phantom Menace all over again.

When the truth sank in that it was actually pretty poor, that was very difficult for some people to accept. They tried desperately to convince themselves it was fantastic.

I know, because I was one of them. I went to see it three times, each time trying to persuade myself it was a great film!

Eventually,the trauma of repeating a lie, combined with the festering trauma from the Donner cut, led many people to snap and start bullying and attacking other members.

I don't know...

I mainly came to the forum to find a place where ugly arguments wouldn't be present (the same reason I don't engage in conversations over politics and religion- they're too controversial)- and have fun talking about things that (I presumed wrongly) people wouldn't get enraged enough to go on the warpath or lose manners over- but I also wasn't as familiar as I thought with the web in general, too...

In any case, not much (if any) fighting now at the forum...

[Metallo]

I think some people had their hopes up only to get smashed too many times and MOS was just the breaking point wether they loved it or hated it. It started with SR on the movie end. Some of the same issue only got magnified when MOS came out. I remember a lot of people saying if MOS didn’t work they were done because they could put go through that again. I think another problem is after being burned so many times some people aren’t willing to put faith in the franchise. It’s one (of many) reason(s) Justice League was DOA.

The Superman franchise has also fractured and splintered off so much that you have all these little camps that have their idea of what it should be and it’s hard to get them all on board one new thing. That started as far back as Lois & Clark. JL was WBs attempt to bridge many of those sides by combining current with classic elements (Snyder’s aesthetic with a more Marvel-esque tone and Williams and Elfman music). They even brought McClure in as a nod to the past. The damage was just too severe and already done. They were never going to please everyone.

Even excluding Superman there was the split among fans within the fandom of other characters. “Batman should have been Bale” or “Flash should have been Gustin.” It’s a problem the MCU doesn’t have. There’s one unified fanbase and one version of most of the characters to rally people behind there.

[crazy_asian_man]

Jun 16, 2019 15:13:30 GMT -5 Metallo said:

I think some people had their hopes up only to get smashed too many times and MOS was just the breaking point wether they loved it or hated it. It started with SR on the movie end. Some of the same issue only got magnified when MOS came out. I remember a lot of people saying if MOS didn’t work they were done because they could put go through that again. I think another problem is after being burned so many times some people aren’t willing to put faith in the franchise. It’s one (of many) reason(s) Justice League was DOA.

The Superman franchise has also fractured and splintered off so much that you have all these little camps that have their idea of what it should be and it’s hard to get them all on board one new thing. That started as far back as Lois & Clark. JL was WBs attempt to bridge many of those sides by combining current with classic elements (Snyder’s aesthetic with a more Marvel-esque tone and Williams and Elfman music). They even brought McClure in as a nod to the past. The damage was just too severe and already done. They were never going to please everyone.

Even excluding Superman there was the split among fans within the fandom of other characters. “Batman should have been Bale” or “Flash should have been Gustin.” It’s a problem the MCU doesn’t have. There’s one unified fanbase and one version of most of the characters to rally people behind there.

I think a large part was having one guy in charge of a big plan- and mostly having good judgement. Also, the MCU had the advantage of starting with mostly characters who have never been on the big screen for comparison.

On a sidetone: Can you imagine if Feige was in charge of Star Wars after the first two original films or the DCEU from the start?

[Metallo]

That’s true. I’ve often thought about that. The ones that were on screen were mostly misfires. Only Spider-Man and Hulk really had previous incarnations that people loved. Feige can take his ego out of it. That Hollywood idea if I know better than the source material or change just for the sake of it isn’t a factor with him. If something changes it’s for a good reason.

Star Wars and DC had people in charge that either didn’t have the creative mind or had the wrong ideas. Kennedy was more of a facilitator on the business side and not the creative force that Lucas was (for better or for worse). DC was handed to people that mostly loathed the classic eras of these characters and thought they could do better. As we’ve learned from dan Didio that doesn’t work for characters so entrenched in pop culture. You can’t radically alter them to the point that what made people fans in the first place is removed. New 52 and DCEU were failures partly because of this reason.

[crazy_asian_man]

Jun 20, 2019 10:20:49 GMT -5 Metallo said:

That’s true. I’ve often thought about that. The ones that were on screen were mostly misfires. Only Spider-Man and Hulk really had previous incarnations that people loved. Feige can take his ego out of it. That Hollywood idea if I know better than the source material or change just for the sake of it isn’t a factor with him. If something changes it’s for a good reason.

Star Wars and DC had people in charge that either didn’t have the creative mind or had the wrong ideas. Kennedy was more of a facilitator on the business side and not the creative force that Lucas was (for better or for worse). DC was handed to people that mostly loathed the classic eras of these characters and thought they could do better. As we’ve learned from dan Didio that doesn’t work for characters so entrenched in pop culture. You can’t radically alter them to the point that what made people fans in the first place is removed. New 52 and DCEU were failures partly because of this reason.

Agreed. On a side note: I wonder if Kathleen Kennedy = Lauren Schuler Donner? In that both had access to strong iconic material & as producers, seemed to deliver the material on time, but didn't seem to have a strong hand with quality control.

Recently, Mrs. Donner said that she split over creative differences on X-men: DOFP. Wonder what that came over? In any case, DOFP still is amazing. The other X-men without Singer's name on it.... not so much.