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Post by Metallo on Aug 16, 2019 15:52:01 GMT -5
www.joblo.com/movie-news/syfy-gives-krypton-the-kryptonite-axe-after-two-seasonsThe Goyer curse strikes again. I’ve always been mixed on this show so this isn’t surprising. I thought season 2 was ok but it seemed like no one was talking about it. That’s the problem with such niche concepts especially prequels. You know where it’s going plus they’re often not about the main character who is the draw. That’s why they have to do desperate stuff that doesn’t really make sense in a true prequel.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 20, 2019 0:45:53 GMT -5
www.joblo.com/movie-news/syfy-gives-krypton-the-kryptonite-axe-after-two-seasonsThe Goyer curse strikes again. I’ve always been mixed on this show so this isn’t surprising. I thought season 2 was ok but it seemed like no one was talking about it. That’s the problem with such niche concepts especially prequels. You know where it’s going plus they’re often not about the main character who is the draw. That’s why they have to do desperate stuff that doesn’t really make sense in a true prequel. I bought season 1 and haven't been able to even finish it yet.... like "Blade", it takes itself SO seriously and just don't really feel that connected to any of the characters. Glad it's not a show I fell in love with... |
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Post by Metallo on Aug 20, 2019 10:25:54 GMT -5
Do you mean the Blade movie or the Blade series? I thought the series was a big disappointment. Felt lackluster. And once again the Goyer factor didn’t help. Superhero shows usually struggle since most people in this day in age aren’t going to dedicate that much time compared to something like a movie. Smallville was on a network with much lower ratings standards and that’s why the Arrowverse has endured.
With Krypton they never had enough faith in the concept to properly explore it and instead it became a Superman show without Superman. It was really predictable and lazy at times. A true Krypton prequel (based on Byrnes World of Krypton for example) could be amazing.
Another issue was the network it was on and the fact that it wasn’t must watch. It suffered the same problem most prequels have. You know how it ends. They also expect you to follow secondary characters who most people have no interest in. That’s why they try to bring in elements that shouldn’t be there to make it more interesting. Birds of Prey (not a prequel but still trying to be a Batman show without Batman), Smallville, and Gotham all suffered the same problems
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 20, 2019 15:45:45 GMT -5
Do you mean the Blade movie or the Blade series? I thought the series was a big disappointment. Felt lackluster. And once again the Goyer factor didn’t help. Superhero shows usually struggle since most people in this day in age aren’t going to dedicate that much time compared to something like a movie. Smallville was on a network with much lower ratings standards and that’s why the Arrowverse has endured. With Krypton they never had enough faith in the concept to properly explore it and instead it became a Superman show without Superman. It was really predictable and lazy at times. A true Krypton prequel (based on Byrnes World of Krypton for example) could be amazing. Another issue was the network it was on and the fact that it wasn’t must watch. It suffered the same problem most prequels have. You know how it ends. They also expect you to follow secondary characters who most people have no interest in. That’s why they try to bring in elements that shouldn’t be there to make it more interesting. Birds of Prey (not a prequel but still trying to be a Batman show without Batman), Smallville, and Gotham all suffered the same problems I always felt Goyer has/had great ideas.... but needed a counterbalance writing or directingwise. The first Blade movie I enjoyed (though they should have kept Goyer's original scripted ending that had more resonance). The tv show was incredibly humorless and dour.... |
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Post by Metallo on Aug 20, 2019 16:19:03 GMT -5
Yeah I feel the same way about him. I’d rather he not be involved at all but with the right filter and guidance he’s got a place. It was Norrington and Snipes who made the first Blade movie what it was. The whole blood god idea was just awful to me and the antithesis of what the movie was about. That’s why I’m glad they toned down the end of the third act.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 21, 2019 1:20:44 GMT -5
Yeah I feel the same way about him. I’d rather he not be involved at all but with the right filter and guidance he’s got a place. It was Norrington and Snipes who made the first Blade movie what it was. The whole blood god idea was just awful to me and the antithesis of what the movie was about. That’s why I’m glad they toned down the end of the third act. In the original script, the final scene had Blade killing his mother- and hiding tears as he spoke to another character as he prepared to 'walk into the sunset' so to speak.... far better than what they ended up with on the original Blade. |
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Post by Metallo on Aug 21, 2019 10:27:26 GMT -5
Sounds like that was going to be more ”tomb of Dracula” in tone. He did end up killing his mother... though it didn’t come off as so tragic. They also had the part where he walks off into the sunlight with Karen Jenson so there are some similarities. They just tacked on the epilogue in Russia which was awesome IMO.  I think they just wanted a more action packed finale. They could have done the ending with Frost then had him kill his mother that way. I still remember how excited I was for the future of X-men Spider-Man and Blade while walking out of the theater after seeing those initial films in 98, 2000, and 2002 respectively. It’s a shame all three crashed and burned (some multiple times). |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 25, 2019 3:15:10 GMT -5
Sounds like that was going to be more ”tomb of Dracula” in tone. He did end up killing his mother... though it didn’t come off as so tragic. They also had the part where he walks off into the sunlight with Karen Jenson so there are some similarities. They just tacked on the epilogue in Russia which was awesome IMO. I think they just wanted a more action packed finale. They could have done the ending with Frost then had him kill his mother that way. I still remember how excited I was for the future of X-men Spider-Man and Blade while walking out of the theater after seeing those initial films in 98, 2000, and 2002 respectively. It’s a shame all three crashed and burned (some multiple times). I agree.... but after X-men crashed with X3, then had it's quality restored with First Class then DOFP & Logan.... I felt like I still came out ahead, given the slew of bad superhero films. In the other cases... Didn't care for Blade 2, but Blade 1 was a nice surprise in and of itself. Spiderman 1-2 were great & was also bummed like X3 that the 'trilogy' ended on such a sour note.... I think the good/bad about so many superhero series crashing, is that it made me appreciate the giant achievements of the Marvel Studio events. With the 'crashes' of X-men & Spiderman... I always had my fingers crossed - particularly with the imperfect "Thor" and "Iron Man 2"... Anyhow- so glad the MCU stuck the landing with Infinity Wars/Endgame. Amazing. |
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Post by Metallo on Aug 25, 2019 14:07:20 GMT -5
I think the X-men films certainly came back stronger than ever after hitting a creative low point. But then just a couple of movies later they’d fallen down again. It wasn’t their lowest low but it was close. The Spider-Man movies had a similar path and once again things are in doubt as the future looks uncertain.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 27, 2019 2:05:59 GMT -5
I think the X-men films certainly came back stronger than ever after hitting a creative low point. But then just a couple of movies later they’d fallen down again. It wasn’t their lowest low but it was close. The Spider-Man movies had a similar path and once again things are in doubt as the future looks uncertain. It looks like there'll be either of these outcomes: #1: the world blows up before then. Moot point. #2: World survives enough & Sony makes a non-MCU-connected Spiderman movie & it underwhelms box-office wise. #3: Sony tries to be proud and accept whatever box office it offers, until Tom Holland's contract is up... then reboot. #4: Marvel and Sony come to terms again sooner or later.... |
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Post by Metallo on Aug 27, 2019 10:19:25 GMT -5
I think Sony can make a good movie that does very well without Marvel but I have serious doubts. For all we know Feige did some under the table consulting on Venom and Spiderverse that helped. He tried to offer advice on some of their movies before the deal.
I think deep down both sides have to know that no matter what they can make far more money together than apart. There are too many opportunities and too much potential. Even if ego and greed and pride get in the way it’s still true.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 28, 2019 2:49:06 GMT -5
I think Sony can make a good movie that does very well without Marvel but I have serious doubts. For all we know Feige did some under the table consulting on Venom and Spiderverse that helped. He tried to offer advice on some of their movies before the deal. I think deep down both sides have to know that no matter what they can make far more money together than apart. There are too many opportunities and too much potential. Even if ego and greed and pride get in the way it’s still true. It has to be pride and a sense of self-preservation to a degree... the heads of Sony have to worry that they'll look incompetent if they haven't 'learned' everything they THINK they could have learned from Feige. Feige is smart to say that it was never going to last forever, but glad that he was able to get the story told that he wanted to tell.... and we're lucky to have been able to have enjoyed it. Mark Ruffalo has said that Marvel has tried to get Universal to the table for YEARS for the Hulk, but that they won't budge... so, if that's the case, if it had to be down to being able to use Spiderman for shared movies or getting Hulk standalone movies- I'm glad that we got a fantastic Spiderman for as long as it was possible.... but it is truly sad that Spiderman couldn't have helped be a bit of an anchor as the 'big three' are probably gone from new Avengers films from this point on. |
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Post by Metallo on Sept 12, 2019 10:20:32 GMT -5
Totally agree. It comes down to pride over bragging rights and money. Universal won’t give up something that could be valuable in the future and Sony probably sees more money they could make with the freedom of not having to work with Marvel. Of course I think all sides could make yet even more money if they worked together but because of ego and greed blinding them they just can’t see it. Imagine if they’d done a proper secret wars and given spidey the black suit the faithful way and then done venom? It’s hard to imagine the ceiling on that. I wouldn’t rule out a proper secret wars set up making billions.
A unified Marvel live action universe is worth far more than one that is split up because it gives them more creative options and more resources. Hulk vs Wolverine movie used to be impossible. Now? If they do it right they can sit back and watch the money roll in.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Sept 17, 2019 0:38:51 GMT -5
Totally agree. It comes down to pride over bragging rights and money. Universal won’t give up something that could be valuable in the future and Sony probably sees more money they could make with the freedom of not having to work with Marvel. Of course I think all sides could make yet even more money if they worked together but because of ego and greed blinding them they just can’t see it. Imagine if they’d done a proper secret wars and given spidey the black suit the faithful way and then done venom? It’s hard to imagine the ceiling on that. I wouldn’t rule out a proper secret wars set up making billions. A unified Marvel live action universe is worth far more than one that is split up because it gives them more creative options and more resources. Hulk vs Wolverine movie used to be impossible. Now? If they do it right they can sit back and watch the money roll in. I agree, but having grown up in the dark ages with mostly horrible DC and Marvel live action adaptations... I remember getting chills with: the 70's -80's The Donner Superman- Parts of the Tim Burton/Schumacher Batman series- Then... the 2000-2004 Raimi's Spiderman- X-men by Bryan Singer (Even the Daredevil & Fantastic Four movie gave a little spark) Then...2005-2008 Batman Begins & Dark Knight Superman Returns And..2008-2011 MCU began with Iron Man Incredible Hulk Thor Captain America Also in 2011: X-men: First Class as a return to greatness... Then 2012: And then the Avengers, tickled pink. (Though oddly it hasn't aged too well)Avengers 2 with Vision and the Scarlet Witch... Then- Golden year in 2014: Cap 2: Winter Soldier Guardians of the Galaxy X-men: Days of Future Past Then 2015: Daredevil Season 1 Avengers 2: Introducing Vision and Scarlet Witch 2016: Parts of Apocalypse good, but otherwise ough.. Doctor Strange Avengers 2 1/2: Civil War 2017: Logan Thor 3: Ragnarok Spiderman: Homecoming Wonder Woman Justice League 2018: Black Panther Infinity War 2019: Endgame Spiderman: Far from Home.. All in all.... even if Spiderman doesn't go back into the MCU at this point- there's a LOT of gold that we got since STM--- a lot of mediocre crap, too.... but overall, in looking back- hard to say that we were robbed of good superhero live action... |
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Post by Metallo on Sept 17, 2019 9:33:42 GMT -5
Oh yeah. The fact that most of these movies exist at all is a minor miracle. The last 7 to 11 years have been a golden age. Far more hits than misses. We got stuff I never thought I’d see adapted to the big screen. Iconic stories. A few of them were disappointments but the rest blew me away.
It’s a far cry from the 80s and 90s. Quantity and quality were pretty low. I can still remember being pretty excited for the amazing Spider-Man tv show because that was pretty much all we had.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Sept 17, 2019 16:33:53 GMT -5
I think in some ways the ‘dry spells’ between the Superman and Batman movies make me appreciate the golden age even more.
One thing I didn’t tap into for the list were all the bombs- Green Lantern, Elektra, etc.... that also helps the good ones shine more...
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Post by Metallo on Sept 17, 2019 17:04:01 GMT -5
That’s a good point. Marvels serialized storytelling has been good enough to keep people interested with so many movies released so soon after each other. If the storytelling is bad or episodic it’s hard to keep that momentum up or keep interest up. The movies have to be good. That’s what we saw happen with DCEU People just took it on a case by case basis and WB didn’t give them anything to get invested in with all of the next movies. It’s why I think so many people just gave up on justice league.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Sept 17, 2019 17:27:55 GMT -5
That’s a good point. Marvels serialized storytelling has been good enough to keep people interested with so many movies released so soon after each other. If the storytelling is bad or episodic it’s hard to keep that momentum up or keep interest up. The movies have to be good. That’s what we saw happen with DCEU People just took it on a case by case basis and WB didn’t give them anything to get invested in with all of the next movies. It’s why I think so many people just gave up on justice league. I think the words 'good enough' is spot on... plus the speed of movies coming out for momentum- For every "Iron Man", there was a "Iron Man 2" that was a little underwhelming in the series... but thankfully there was an Avengers movie or some other event that kept the feeling of building up to another event going, whenever something was 'meh' in the MCU series. I do wonder how things are going to perform going forward in the MCU now that things aren't going to be as tightly wound together....but in any case, Marvel has more than proved its brand name. They are THE brand name whether connected or not. With the DCEU.... oy. Definitely feels all over the place... and is all over the place. I wonder if the rumor is true that they're consulting James Gunn to fix the DCEU. |
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