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Post by Metallo on Oct 29, 2019 19:16:25 GMT -5
www.darkhorizons.com/green-lantern-coming-to-hbo-max/I’m a DC fan but I feel like I’m being drown in DC related content right now. A real first world problem huh? Guess it’s to be expected with broadcast and cable networks desperate to compete and the streaming wars looming. I’m guessing HBO and WB will throw some considerable money at this since it’s not something that’s easily done for tv. Berlanti is also continuing to take over the tv world it seems. I think he’s got something to prove after how the Green Lantern movie went down.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Oct 30, 2019 1:09:03 GMT -5
www.darkhorizons.com/green-lantern-coming-to-hbo-max/I’m a DC fan but I feel like I’m being drown in DC related content right now. A real first world problem huh? Guess it’s to be expected with broadcast and cable networks desperate to compete and the streaming wars looming. I’m guessing HBO and WB will throw some considerable money at this since it’s not something that’s easily done for tv. Berlanti is also continuing to take over the tv world it seems. I think he’s got something to prove after how the Green Lantern movie went down. I agree.... I would rather more quality over the deluge of quantity of superhero material out there now... |
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Post by Metallo on Oct 30, 2019 9:37:43 GMT -5
Yeah. It’s a golden age but I’d rather have fewer that are good than tons that are mediocre. No one can watch it all so it’s like there throwing everything at the wall to see what sticks.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Oct 30, 2019 12:24:42 GMT -5
Yeah. It’s a golden age but I’d rather have fewer that are good than tons that are mediocre. No one can watch it all so it’s like there throwing everything at the wall to see what sticks. What's even sadder is that I would have thought that the 10-episode runs at Netflix would have created supreme quality given the format, but even then, only a couple of seasons of a couple of shows were good there. I'd read somewhere that Jeph Loeb is out and that Feige is in for all Marvel properties under Disney. Did you hear the same btw? |
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Post by Metallo on Oct 30, 2019 14:19:39 GMT -5
Yeah. All Marvels creative decisions go through Feige now. Creative for Marvel tv and comics falls under Marvel Studios. I think it’s for the most part the right move. Marvel studios is the only marvel anything to have a consistent level of quality and success. The drawback is we get one homogenous style for everything.
With the Marvel Netflix shows it was lack of budget and bad oversight that hampered them. Perlmutter is notoriously tight fisted. I think any money they did have got eaten up by location shooting for some shows.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Oct 30, 2019 19:27:55 GMT -5
Yeah. All Marvels creative decisions go through Feige now. Creative for Marvel tv and comics falls under Marvel Studios. I think it’s for the most part the right move. Marvel studios is the only marvel anything to have a consistent level of quality and success. The drawback is we get one homogenous style for everything. With the Marvel Netflix shows it was lack of budget and bad oversight that hampered them. Perlmutter is notoriously tight fisted. I think any money they did have got eaten up by location shooting for some shows. In Iron Fist's case.... the money didn't have to hamper it. There were plenty of character bits in the original comics that could have been utilized that were talking heads... To me, they should have gotten writers who should have viewed it on the same level as tv dramas that are well done- instead, it was second and third rate (and worse) everything for much of it. On a drama level, much of it was silly. On a spectacle level, much of the time it was far cheaper looking than any CW show. Most of the time... lose-lose! |
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Post by Metallo on Oct 31, 2019 8:59:31 GMT -5
The money hampered it because they also didn’t have the time to plan anything properly or train Finn Jones or hire someone better. If they’d had the proper budget they wouldn’t have needed to rush. They could have taken their time. If you’ve got the money you’ve got the resources to rush through everything. You just hire more people and more talented people.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Oct 31, 2019 13:30:23 GMT -5
The money hampered it because they also didn’t have the time to plan anything properly or train Finn Jones or hire someone better. If they’d had the proper budget they wouldn’t have needed to rush. They could have taken their time. If you’ve got the money you’ve got the resources to rush through everything. You just hire more people and more talented people. The script and acting wasn't all that, either. There's a big debate over whether one should cast a great martial artist and teach them to act, versus getting a charismatic actor & teaching them to fight. IMO depending on how special you want a kung fu show to be, you should cast a great martial artist & teach them to act.... especially if martial arts is supposed to be 99 percent of the superpower.... and especially if you don't have all much time or money to convince people that the character is a top martial artist. |
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Post by Metallo on Nov 10, 2019 17:47:58 GMT -5
You really need a balance. I think they should go with someone who has experience in acting and martial arts. Wesley Snipes and Bruce Lee are ideal examples. Do you remember when Kirk Jones played blade on the series? His acting and martial arts skills were inferior. It was awful. We’ve seen a lot of martial artists get into acting with no experience and it was laughable. If it’s someone playing a minor “heavy” or thug type role it’s fine but for the lead you need someone who can act. Even the martial arts stuff can be filled in by a stand in or double for the more difficult shots. An acting double definitely ain’t gonna work.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Nov 12, 2019 2:02:43 GMT -5
You really need a balance. I think they should go with someone who has experience in acting and martial arts. Wesley Snipes and Bruce Lee are ideal examples. Do you remember when Kirk Jones played blade on the series? His acting and martial arts skills were inferior. It was awful. We’ve seen a lot of martial artists get into acting with no experience and it was laughable. If it’s someone playing a minor “heavy” or thug type role it’s fine but for the lead you need someone who can act. Even the martial arts stuff can be filled in by a stand in or double for the more difficult shots. An acting double definitely ain’t gonna work. I mostly agree.... but there are SO many martial artists in this generation, that even on youtube amateur videos my jaw can drop on what an 'ordinary' person can do, with the clear devotion and time put into their art. Some people can never act, I think that's true, based on personalities/etc.--- but for roles that demand/ask for an audience to believe that they're THE best at their art, I think I'd rather (if they had to) do cgi face replacement on real martial arts doubles than have them train for months to show.... mediocre kung fu skills on scxreen. |
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Post by Metallo on Nov 12, 2019 11:49:28 GMT -5
I think those people should be used as doubles for the more difficult stuff if they can’t act. Bad acting is a lot harder to cover up than bad martial arts especially in the days of cgi and digital face replacement when all you have to do is put the actors face on the double.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Nov 13, 2019 3:13:11 GMT -5
I think those people should be used as doubles for the more difficult stuff if they can’t act. Bad acting is a lot harder to cover up than bad martial arts especially in the days of cgi and digital face replacement when all you have to do is put the actors face on the double. True.... but with now so many folks that have gone into martial arts since Bruce Lee's time.... I just can't help but think in the casting of both Iron Fist and Shang-chi that there have to be more than a few really great martial artists out there that have the moves, look good, and can act as well... over the two actors that Marvel chose, who I feel were/are really lacking. I have this bad hunch that a giant chunk of the consideration might have been whether or not the person would end up being too big a star to lock into a 6-movie contract for Shang-Chi's case. Chris Evans I think was originally supposed to be locked in for more, but compromised to six. But, anyhow.... Hopefully they do better with recasting Iron Fist & crossing fingers that I'm totally wrong about the actor (Who I like in the comedy show he stars in)- who they've cast for Chi. |
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Post by Metallo on Nov 13, 2019 20:59:52 GMT -5
Yeah but we’ve had great martial artists trying to make it in movies and tv for 40 years. There have been tons for a while. And out of all of those how many of them were legitimately good actors? Not many. They both require discipline and dedication but they’re different skill sets that require different mindsets and different kinds of discipline. You have to work at both but you’re aiming for different results. Acting by its nature is pretending on a certain level. With martial arts you have to be able to actually produce and you don’t have a team behind you to help you do it in the same way.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Nov 15, 2019 1:57:28 GMT -5
Yeah but we’ve had great martial artists trying to make it in movies and tv for 40 years. There have been tons for a while. And out of all of those how many of them were legitimately good actors? Not many. They both require discipline and dedication but they’re different skill sets that require different mindsets and different kinds of discipline. You have to work at both but you’re aiming for different results. Acting by its nature is pretending on a certain level. With martial arts you have to be able to actually produce and you don’t have a team behind you to help you do it in the same way. For Hong Kong and Chinese films, there've been a really good number of convincing martial artist/actors actually. That's why my jaw dropped so heavily when the actors for Iron Fist and Shang-Chi were chosen. I don't have any connections to know for sure, but would have loved to have been in Marvel's board room to know who the final other actors might have been for these roles.... plus, whether or not they tried hard enough. I just keep on seeing a lot of more interesting looking actors in Chinese and Hong Kong films that look like they solidly can convince as a martial artist--- sometimes not even leads, but supporting players! That, plus so many better casting suggestions that made me sit up and go 'yeah, I could see that' that it still bugs me. Hopefully the movie turns me around, but I think I'm way too attached to the source material that it fell out of the range of what I personally thought was necessary looks wise, too. |
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Post by Metallo on Dec 12, 2019 19:44:12 GMT -5
Well it’s such a cultural difference in Hong Kong films and acting and American films. It’s why so many people who were huge stars over there never really worked out over here. Different styles and tastes.
I think with iron fist they probably didn’t get many good finalists or didn’t look hard enough or offered it to someone who was good but turned it down. There’s no way we got Finn Jones over someone who may have been better if there wasn’t a reason.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Dec 12, 2019 20:18:34 GMT -5
Well it’s such a cultural difference in Hong Kong films and acting and American films. It’s why so many people who were huge stars over there never really worked out over here. Different styles and tastes. I think with iron fist they probably didn’t get many good finalists or didn’t look hard enough or offered it to someone who was good but turned it down. There’s no way we got Finn Jones over someone who may have been better if there wasn’t a reason. In looking at HOW awful the story turned out, HOW awful the kung fu (which was worse than the old "David Carridine 70's kung fu show"!!!) in an age of CW's Arrow--- and the source material that had great characterization and drama.... I'd argue that Snyder's Watchmen was Citizen Kane by comparison--- So, no. I have ZERO confidence in any decision that Scott Buck who ran Iron Fist and Inhumans had. Casting for Colleen Wing was ok, but also not a martial artist. |
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