CRISIS Ratings and Fans reactions?

[crazy_asian_man]

Right away I'm thinking: I freaking LOVE what they did/ are doing.

Also, if I watched it via streaming the next day for convenience, I'm sure I'm not the only one. It's more convenient.

So- Apparently the ratings were down from the last multiverse event.... but I'm not suprised if streaming had an effect and if there usually being not much consequence to these multiverse crossovers have an effect as well on interest.
I hope that they get rewarded and that there's a giant noise because of the extra effort all over the place for these-

But-
I am suprised at the reactions. In some cases, while I still love what they did, I can (in some cases) see where the other fans are coming from.

From my point of view, after reading how- for years- it was a nightmare to even get WB to give permission to use (and they never could) a youjng Batman on Smallivlle- and how they had to fight to get even a Superman appearance on Supergirl, and even in season two, how that was limited- this Crisis was a giant buffet of creative riches imo.


Complaint #1:
Smallville's Clark giving up his powers.

First off- For fans of Smallville- it could always be felt that it wasn't THEIR Smallville but a variation if they chose to.

But- one argument was that for all the people who 'died' on the show to make Clark Superman, that his giving the powers up was a slap in the face.

I can kind of see that- but on the other hand.... it's fresh and was a real character bit- and gave a great contrast to the other versions of Superman - we got the best looking Superman costume with Routh's and so it was neat to see the 'alternate' version where he followed the Alan Moore route (as Metallo brought up).

Of course, it would have been GREAT to have seen him make the fans happy by putting on the damn costume for five seconds, but I was happy with this.... and Routh in suit looked phenomenal.

Complaint #2:
Conroy Batman being evil and Batwoman being the chosen one.

I tnought the twist was fine- my only quibble was that the battle with Kara was too short to have maximum impact. Batman was defeated a little too easily for my tastes, but it's nit-picking.
I could see how fans of Batman got irritated that Batwoman was the chosen one over Batman- but, again, being aware of how many needs have to be bent for the main actors and series, it was just neat to see Conroy play Batman at all... and neat nods to Kingdom come (and, again, nice contrast story-wise to the other 'alternative' Supermen).

The main reason the complaints and ratings bother me is that it takes away from the extra hype that could have been garnered for Routh Supes to get a return. But, as far as I know, there's been no complaints with his return.

In any case, it sounds selfish, but I'M freaking loving it. That's what counts.

[Metallo]

Ratings for the shows have actually doubled or even tripled from their last episodes but compared to last year they are down. But ratings across the board for all of network and cable tv are down compared to last year. As you said it’s because of the rise of streaming as well as more people dvr’ing everything. You don’t have to watch anything live anymore. Someone online put it best when they said that people used to plan their lives around their viewing habits. Now they plan their viewing habits around their lives.

Nielsen ratings have never been the most reliable but they’ve been truly outdated for years. The whole system needs a complete overhaul. Even their old one could be more accurate most people don’t want that kind of intrusion into their privacy. There is already so much controversy about data mining and sharing online and what needs to be done about that.

As for fans the reactions have been all over the place. My biggest gripe is some people are saying this or that sucks because it’s not what THEY would have done or saying so and so would never do that. We’ve seen it from everything from the way Dark knight rises, Endgame, and Last Jedi all ended. I’ve never been that kind of guy. More than anything I’m about execution. That doesn’t necessarily mean the show was bad or whatever. It also doesn’t mean circumstances and characters can’t change just like real people do. A lot of people are also jumping the gun. For all we know maybe Wellings Clark and others DO show up at the end. Before people say they dropped the ball or did it wrong maybe wait to see the whole thing.

For the people mad Gustins Flash didn’t die it’s the same kind of jumping the gun. If they’d bothered to read the paper from 2024 Barry was supposed to vanish in a battle with the reverse flash not on The anti monitors cosmic treadmill so he’s not out of the woods just yet. Also it was obvious Shipps Flash was going to die there not Gustins. It only made sense thematically and logically. He’s going to want to make up for failing his world during the Elseworlds crossover. He’s a man without an earth and he’s got a chance to save not only the younger Barry but all the people of earth one. It’s exactly what he’d do. Anyone whose paid attention to these characters shouldn’t expect any less.

[crazy_asian_man]

Great observations- I don’t necessarily fault people griping that it’s not how they would have wanted it.... i’m the same way, but as you mentioned- for me if they execute it well i can be won over. As a quick example Donner’s Krypton was nowhere what i’d hoped from the comics at the time but it fit in so well with everything else I embraced it and it tied in perfectly to the fortress of Solitude.

Another example would be x-men first class with the origin story being superior to the comics with them tying the beginnings as a co-op with the fbi and x-men as a title similar to the g-men phrase at the time.

I still hold out hope that the ratings and fan reaction gets Routh something as you said. It is sad that his departure from Legends isn’t his idea. Wonder what went on behind the scenes or if it really is budget and running out of things to do.

[crazy_asian_man]

On another note I wonder how the fans of Superman Returns are reacting to it (or have watched Crisis?)...

[Metallo]

I don’t mind people old not liking something but sometimes the complaints and the vitriolic angry personal attacks and reasoning is almost childish especially if they complain about something but fail to really pay attention to what someone is doing with a show or a movie. Like the complaints of what was done with Conroys old Bruce. Some people saying it sucked because Batman would never do that or they didn’t like it. That’s kind of the point. It was an alternate universe where anything could happen. People weren’t meant to like him. That’s like saying someone can’t ever tell ANY kind of alternate universe story that deviates from the norm. What’s the point. They only time something like that bothers me is if it’s grossly out of character. Like if Superman just decided to randomly punt a baby into space. That doesn’t make sense.

[crazy_asian_man]

Dec 12, 2019 14:20:59 GMT -5 Metallo said:

I don’t mind people old not liking something but sometimes the complaints and the vitriolic angry personal attacks and reasoning is almost childish especially if they complain about something but fail to really pay attention to what someone is doing with a show or a movie. Like the complaints of what was done with Conroys old Bruce. Some people saying it sucked because Batman would never do that or they didn’t like it. That’s kind of the point. It was an alternate universe where anything could happen. People weren’t meant to like him. That’s like saying someone can’t ever tell ANY kind of alternate universe story that deviates from the norm. What’s the point. They only time something like that bothers me is if it’s grossly out of character. Like if Superman just decided to randomly punt a baby into space. That doesn’t make sense.

Agreed again-
I've never had problems with people disagreeing or having a differing opinion... but how it's expressed is everything.

One of my friends had GIANT issues with Superman having a kid in SR- and it was about then I realized that everyone has ideas of what 'is' and 'isn't' within character.

Saw the same thing happen with "Last Jedi"- but the way some fans reacted to getting personal and attacking actors' social media was ridiculous... but it's how things are now permanently I suppose-

If I were Hollywood, on one hand, I can get how they can see the trends and the social media reactions to gauge dollar signs- to a point, though.

There are the extremes, but there are still surprises it seems with trends not equalling box office in both directions.

[Metallo]

The older I get the more that stuff isn’t a big it deal for me. Just give me a good story. I’m pretty open minded with what they do. As my dad used to say it’s fiction. Fans have always been complainers if it didn’t go their way but everyone’s got a voice now.

I do wonder if age has something to do with it. These kids on the Internet now have no real sense of the world without it and it’s how they’ve grown up interacting with people. Don’t get me wrong I can be an a-hole but I don’t go out of my way to do it.

It’s hard to gauge but often the ones on social media are a vocal minority out of touch with the rest of the world or the real world. If you went by the Internet captain marvel and black panther were going to be massive bombs that everyone hated. They made billions. There’s definitely a disconnect there.

[crazy_asian_man]

Dec 12, 2019 19:59:21 GMT -5 Metallo said:

The older I get the more that stuff isn’t a big it deal for me. Just give me a good story. I’m pretty open minded with what they do. As my dad used to say it’s fiction. Fans have always been complainers if it didn’t go their way but everyone’s got a voice now.

I do wonder if age has something to do with it. These kids on the Internet now have no real sense of the world without it and it’s how they’ve grown up interacting with people. Don’t get me wrong I can be an a-hole but I don’t go out of my way to do it.

It’s hard to gauge but often the ones on social media are a vocal minority out of touch with the rest of the world or the real world. If you went by the Internet captain marvel and black panther were going to be massive bombs that everyone hated. They made billions. There’s definitely a disconnect there.

The Captain Marvel and Black Panther success despite some fanboy outcry has been a great relief. Also the James Gunn rehiring (never should have been fired in the first place, though).

Hopefully there will continue to be more situations where the intended personal cyber-trolling ends up having little to no effect on the bottom line. That would be nice.

[Metallo]

Gotta say once again how happy I am for Routh that his return as Superman has been so well received. After taking crap for years it really is a fairy tale/against all odds type of story. Did anyone every think that this would happen or that it would go over this well?

This really reminds me of Paul McGann getting to return as the Doctor in Doctor Who. It’s that shot at redemption after years of not thinking would happen. Much like McGann people want Routh to even have a series or movie.

[crazy_asian_man]

Dec 16, 2019 19:33:27 GMT -5 Metallo said:

Gotta say once again how happy I am for Routh that his return as Superman has been so well received. After taking crap for years it really is a fairy tale/against all odds type of story. Did anyone every think that this would happen or that it would go over this well?

This really reminds me of Paul McGann getting to return as the Doctor in Doctor Who. It’s that shot at redemption after years of not thinking would happen. Much like McGann people want Routh to even have a series or movie.

Not as familiar with Dr. Who- I tried a few episodes but I think it's a timing thing. DIdn't catch it at the right time, I think to be hooked.

On the other note- Absolutely on Routh's return.
With Superman in the movies floundering without direction, if WB doesn't feel confident about Superman as a solo move- yet- then maybe they can recruit Routh as Supes for that new Supergirl movie instead similar to dipping a toe in the pool first, if they're not going to give him back the lead?

(And/or if they decide to go back and do Miller's JL version & get Routh)

In any case, I felt bad for Routh and Singer when I heard about lumps they were taking for SR at Wondercon in SF decade plus back.... but as you said, it's taken not just time for fans to come around, but also gave a chance for young ones who saw Superman Returns on the screen with Routh as their Supes to come out and cheer.

Nice news in otherwise sad times...