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Post by crazy_asian_man on Feb 21, 2020 22:19:09 GMT -5
Any thoughts? (assuming it's still going forward)
I'm scratching my head.
Can only think of maybe Chloe Moretz- but even she might be too old at this stage, depending on how young they want her to be.
(Plus, development of WB films seem to be pretty long from starting to actually filming. So I guess they NEED to cast young, if it takes ten years to actually start filming!)
Anyhow- I got nobody in mind. How about thee?
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Post by Metallo on Feb 23, 2020 18:11:46 GMT -5
Go lesser known. I’d avoid anyone who is a fairly well known name. Plenty of late teens/early twenties actresses out there that could do it. The real question is should they be doing it at all while Superman is in limbo? And if they do which Superman continuity will she fit in? A spinoff of DCEU/MOS or Supergirl from a rebooted continuity? Personally I think the MOS continuity and everything with it should be left to die and they should came at this from a new fresh story and history.
Personally I’d work out Superman first, even if it’s not in his own movie, and then introduce supergirl. Sure they could introduce a new Superman universe through a supergirl movie but that just feels like a rehash of the tv show and if The Flash has shown us anything it’s going over the same story ground again in less than five years will feel pretty repetitive and dull. I get WBs thinking. Superman hasn’t worked so try something new by relaunching the franchise through supergirl. But somehow it feels wrong to not have Superman leading the charge towards a new DC film universe. Birds of Preys weak box office performance is another example of why going with Supergirl first pretty risky. I’d also let Benoist finish her run and out at least a couple of years between the end of the show and the opening of any film.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Feb 24, 2020 0:23:20 GMT -5
Go lesser known. I’d avoid anyone who is a fairly well known name. Plenty of late teens/early twenties actresses out there that could do it. The real question is should they be doing it at all while Superman is in limbo? And if they do which Superman continuity will she fit in? A spinoff of DCEU/MOS or Supergirl from a rebooted continuity? Personally I think the MOS continuity and everything with it should be left to die and they should came at this from a new fresh story and history. Personally I’d work out Superman first, even if it’s not in his own movie, and then introduce supergirl. Sure they could introduce a new Superman universe through a supergirl movie but that just feels like a rehash of the tv show and if The Flash has shown us anything it’s going over the same story ground again in less than five years will feel pretty repetitive and dull. I get WBs thinking. Superman hasn’t worked so try something new by relaunching the franchise through supergirl. But somehow it feels wrong to not have Superman leading the charge towards a new DC film universe. Birds of Preys weak box office performance is another example of why going with Supergirl first pretty risky. I’d also let Benoist finish her run and out at least a couple of years between the end of the show and the opening of any film. Strangely... it seems in both animation and Live action- Batman gets most of the love with WB/DC, Superman much less so.... |
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Post by Metallo on Feb 24, 2020 19:07:26 GMT -5
It’s because Batman stuff sells and sells better. And it’s been that way in one form or another for at least 30 years. The pendulum used to swing back and forth but it never really did swing back.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Feb 25, 2020 15:41:54 GMT -5
Go lesser known. I’d avoid anyone who is a fairly well known name. Plenty of late teens/early twenties actresses out there that could do it. The real question is should they be doing it at all while Superman is in limbo? And if they do which Superman continuity will she fit in? A spinoff of DCEU/MOS or Supergirl from a rebooted continuity? Personally I think the MOS continuity and everything with it should be left to die and they should came at this from a new fresh story and history. Personally I’d work out Superman first, even if it’s not in his own movie, and then introduce supergirl. Sure they could introduce a new Superman universe through a supergirl movie but that just feels like a rehash of the tv show and if The Flash has shown us anything it’s going over the same story ground again in less than five years will feel pretty repetitive and dull. I get WBs thinking. Superman hasn’t worked so try something new by relaunching the franchise through supergirl. But somehow it feels wrong to not have Superman leading the charge towards a new DC film universe. Birds of Preys weak box office performance is another example of why going with Supergirl first pretty risky. I’d also let Benoist finish her run and out at least a couple of years between the end of the show and the opening of any film. I also wonder how far they plan to have Supergirl's series go on for... After listening to some of the podcast interviews with Stephen Amiell on the difficulties of being a lead on Arrow, I more understand how/why a lead would want to walk away after a few years, despite 1 percent of actors working at any time... |
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Post by Metallo on Feb 25, 2020 21:01:45 GMT -5
Considering how these contracts usually run for tv (5-7 seasons), the long hours and demands of filming in Vancouver, and Benoists other ambitions as a singer and actress I wouldn’t be surprised if the show ends after season seven. Benoists original contract and any changes when the show jumped from CBS to CW probably ended up being for six or seven seasons. After that she’ll be free to leave the show if she wants. If he contract ends at six seasons I could see them convincing her to re sign for one final season to wrap things up.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Feb 25, 2020 22:02:51 GMT -5
Considering how these contracts usually run for tv (5-7 seasons), the long hours and demands of filming in Vancouver, and Benoists other ambitions as a singer and actress I wouldn’t be surprised if the show ends after season seven. Benoists original contract and any changes when the show jumped from CBS to CW probably ended up being for six or seven seasons. After that she’ll be free to leave the show if she wants. If he contract ends at six seasons I could see them convincing her to re sign for one final season to wrap things up. Amiell talked about how the last few seasons allowed him to renegotiate his contract--- and get WAY more money... and that the last season really was purely for the $$$, even if he enjoyed it. I can more get now how actors could be wary of signing on for multiple seasons right off the bat.... Makes me wonder if a number of actors who might have been better for certain series were written off just for that concern--- Chris Evans talked about getting shaky knees on signing up for multiple Marvel movies over years, and I can get that- but so glad he stuck around. It's got to be nerve-wracking for actors to figure out what choices to keep and let go. There's that age window and there's that looking ahead at life and figuring out if they want to have a family/ etc.--- |
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Post by Metallo on Feb 28, 2020 12:42:15 GMT -5
It’s a trade off. There’s more job security and financial security but a lot of actors don’t want to be be tied down to one thing for all those years. Think about other opportunities they may miss out on. But it’s always been that way. Think about Brosnan not being able to do The living daylights because of Remington Steele or Tom Selleck not being able to do Raiders of the lost Ark because of Magnum PI. It’s something actors will always want to consider.
I think we are seeing more and more actors who don’t mind it though because they understand the one for them one for me strategy and since they grew up on this kind of stuff they don't feel above that kind of material. Look at how Margot Robbie has embraced playing Harley Quinn as a business opportunity t seen more clout and other opportunities. The generation of actresses before her would have scoffed at that. Halle Berry saw doing superhero stuff as a step down. Compare the willingness of Cavill and Routh to Keep on playing Superman to Chris Reeve and George Reeves. This generation sees the money earning opportunities whereas the older guys were more concerned with how their careers looked in terms of prestige.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Feb 29, 2020 2:40:26 GMT -5
It’s a trade off. There’s more job security and financial security but a lot of actors don’t want to be be tied down to one thing for all those years. Think about other opportunities they may miss out on. But it’s always been that way. Think about Brosnan not being able to do The living daylights because of Remington Steele or Tom Selleck not being able to do Raiders of the lost Ark because of Magnum PI. It’s something actors will always want to consider. I think we are seeing more and more actors who don’t mind it though because they understand the one for them one for me strategy and since they grew up on this kind of stuff they don't feel above that kind of material. Look at how Margot Robbie has embraced playing Harley Quinn as a business opportunity t seen more clout and other opportunities. The generation of actresses before her would have scoffed at that. Halle Berry saw doing superhero stuff as a step down. Compare the willingness of Cavill and Routh to Keep on playing Superman to Chris Reeve and George Reeves. This generation sees the money earning opportunities whereas the older guys were more concerned with how their careers looked in terms of prestige. I think not just prestige, but the worry about studio typecasting & public perception of only seeing the actor as this/that role. Strangely, I'll always think of someone like Hugh Jackman as Wolverine but enjoy him in other things--- Whereas I'll always think of Ben Affleck as Affleck first and not Batman nor Daredevil--- Part of that I think is whatever we may see the actor as early on, and/or what we learn of the actor 'in real life' so to speak. Ben Affleck seemed like a nice average joe in interviews --- and I never saw him as the dark tortured Bruce Wayne.... Whereas Robert Downey Jr's pesonal struggles paralleled so much of Tony Starks that it was a great fit. |
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Post by Metallo on Feb 29, 2020 8:49:50 GMT -5
Typecasting isn’t nearly the issue it issue to be. I suppose that’s always a fear but most of the actors playing superheroes these days don’t seem to be hurting for work and some of them have had hits. Now it just depends on the choices they make. Dr
Doolittle flopped for Downey but Evans was in Knives Out and that was a big hit. The Witcher is a hit for Cavill. Jackman should be the textbook example of a guy worried about typecasting but he has solid career. Even if people think of him as wolverine first it’s not keeping them from accepting him in other roles.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 3, 2020 0:35:30 GMT -5
Typecasting isn’t nearly the issue it issue to be. I suppose that’s always a fear but most of the actors playing superheroes these days don’t seem to be hurting for work and some of them have had hits. Now it just depends on the choices they make. Dr Doolittle flopped for Downey but Evans was in Knives Out and that was a big hit. The Witcher is a hit for Cavill. Jackman should be the textbook example of a guy worried about typecasting but he has solid career. Even if people think of him as wolverine first it’s not keeping them from accepting him in other roles. It's weird to figure out exactly why or when/where superhero typecasting suddenly wasn't a problem anymore. Was it from Keaton being cast as Batman? Who knows.... |
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Post by Metallo on Mar 4, 2020 9:26:34 GMT -5
In think by the boom of the early 2000s people were definitely over it but I think you’ve probably zeroed in on when it was less of an issue. Lots of actors broke the typecasting curse in the 80s whereas before it was much harder especially for tv stars.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 4, 2020 12:21:28 GMT -5
In think by the boom of the early 2000s people were definitely over it but I think you’ve probably zeroed in on when it was less of an issue. Lots of actors broke the typecasting curse in the 80s whereas before it was much harder especially for tv stars. I don't know why it didn't just hit me in the head.... I could still be wrong, but... STM was pretty much the only and first mega-budget superhero film out there--- prior to, the main worry had to be his direct predecessor: George Reeves with him not being able to be taken seriously in other roles. That and his controversial death probably hung a giant shadow of fear over all the actors in casting. When Chris Reeve himself was able to get other prominent roles... that might have opened the door a bit against that fear. Later on, with Keaton cast against fan wishes- Those two things might have jostled the idea that fates were sealed if one played a superhero in Hwood. |
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Post by Metallo on Mar 5, 2020 8:04:39 GMT -5
The things that hurt Keaton and Reeve’s careers are were choices and box offices failures more than anything. Differences in times, audiences, and mediums allowed them a better shot at avoiding the typecasting problem. Id argue that it was a still is much harder for tv actors to avoid typecasting because we see them so much and so often and for so long in a regular role.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 5, 2020 12:55:42 GMT -5
The things that hurt Keaton and Reeve’s careers are were choices and box offices failures more than anything. Differences in times, audiences, and mediums allowed them a better shot at avoiding the typecasting problem. Id argue that it was a still is much harder for tv actors to avoid typecasting because we see them so much and so often and for so long in a regular role. When/if Tom Cruise ever decides to stop acting, he should set up a movie career management agency--- that guy has managed to have such a strong career that he seems to be the model in how to choose roles and scripts for a long career... Ahnuld also knew mostly what to do- You're 1000% percent right that typecasting is something that might always be there- but I also think most actors don't have the best plan- or see all the options open for them. Didn't Ben Affleck & Matt Damon right Good Will Hunting so that they could get the best roles for themselves that they wanted? Harrison Ford reportedly in his career wouldn't take less than a big dollar for smaller projects, when he was 'hot' because he thought that if the project were solid, it should have no problem getting that money if he were attached. But.... who knows if he feels like he's had a great career or if it could have been maneuvered better? It's definitely up in the air.... |
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