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Post by Metallo on Feb 23, 2020 18:18:31 GMT -5
Thank god. It was a long time coming. Wonder what was the last straw? They seem to be trying like heck to turn DC back into the classic company instead of all the dark crap and reboots DiDio has pushed for the last ten years. Liefeld and Ordway really didn’t give a F about what certain people think about their opinions on this. They’re right...but still. It’s a great that he’s gone even if it was a pretty blunt firing. Ordway makes a great point in that they’ll probably put someone worse in that job.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Feb 24, 2020 0:21:57 GMT -5
Thank god. It was a long time coming. Wonder what was the last straw? They seem to be trying like heck to turn DC back into the classic company instead of all the dark crap and reboots DiDio has pushed for the last ten years. Liefeld and Ordway really didn’t give a F about what certain people think about their opinions on this. They’re right...but still. It’s a great that he’s gone even if it was a pretty blunt firing. Ordway makes a great point in that they’ll probably put someone worse in that job. I've been out of the newer comics so much (only slightly sampled the new 52) that I don't know who is responsible for what--- But- I do know that there've been numerous occassions where classic creators (george perez as one) have mentioned how upside down and inside out the process has been trying to work for DC during the New 52.... is it the size of the machine? Or was it Dan Didio? I have no clue... But it's interesting that Jim Lee will be mainly in charge, it seems.... who was also supposedly a big supporter of Routh coming back as Supes. WIll see... |
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Post by Metallo on Feb 24, 2020 19:11:58 GMT -5
DCs been an editorial nightmare for a long time for some people. It’s not all DiDios fault but he was one of the main problems. New 52 was a half@ssed reboot and beyond being bad it’s one reason it didn’t work. You can’t keep some stories and discard and reboot others when they’re all so intertwined. That’s why so much of new 52 didn’t make sense. Sometimes you have to go all of nothing.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Feb 25, 2020 15:39:13 GMT -5
DCs been an editorial nightmare for a long time for some people. It’s not all DiDios fault but he was one of the main problems. New 52 was a half@ssed reboot and beyond being bad it’s one reason it didn’t work. You can’t keep some stories and discard and reboot others when they’re all so intertwined. That’s why so much of new 52 didn’t make sense. Sometimes you have to go all of nothing. I wonder at times if the boat is just so big with both Marvel and DC that it's hard for any real course correction to be made properly. When I was growing up, Marvel and DC were big... but not THAT big- at least in terms of titles. (Let alone merch and other items). I think with not knowing the inner workings as a whole for DC or Marvel makes me a bit hesitant to target specific blame anywhere. (Part of it may be because I've been management before too.... not fun.) But- it'll be interesting to see if anything can 'right' the ship. Personally, I'm attached to the high-quality reprint books and collections. If whatever they do can keep those safe, I'm happy... |
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Post by Metallo on Feb 25, 2020 21:08:20 GMT -5
I don’t think it’s that they can’t change because they’re so big more like it’s not easy for them to change because they’re now part of such a huge corporate structure. It can be done but some major stuff has to go down as we’ve just seen with DiDios firing at DC and Kevin Feige being given creative control over Marvel Comics.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Feb 25, 2020 21:56:08 GMT -5
I don’t think it’s that they can’t change because they’re so big more like it’s not easy for them to change because they’re now part of such a huge corporate structure. It can be done but some major stuff has to go down as we’ve just seen with DiDios firing at DC and Kevin Feige being given creative control over Marvel Comics. I don't know all of what's going on behind the scenes of the big two, but stuff 'leaks out' now and then--- and/or at comic conventions. With George Perez, we do know that he's talked at length how frustrating the process was trying to write Action Comics with the rules and restrictions given from above during the 'New 52'... With Steve Englehart, at a comic con years ago, when asked about why he wasn't working for Marvel Comics, he had talked about how he felt incredibly restricted currently with multiple assistant editors having to double check all his work as the new process, versus before in the 70's when he just had one editor and Stan. There were also driblets here and there with interviews with pros that also make/made me feel that the extra cooks put into the big two could be a big culprit behind the quality dip. |
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Post by Metallo on Feb 28, 2020 12:34:25 GMT -5
It’s a problems with more corporate Structure and more levels. I think things may smooth out over at Marvel now that Feige is dictating the creative direction of the comics. With DC it’s more up in the air.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Feb 29, 2020 2:45:17 GMT -5
It’s a problems with more corporate Structure and more levels. I think things may smooth out over at Marvel now that Feige is dictating the creative direction of the comics. With DC it’s more up in the air. I have to admit that I've been away from Marvel comics for so long at this point, I wouldn't know what end is up.... From afar, though, there definitely seems to have been a lot more complaints about DC than Marvel over the last several years.... |
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Post by Metallo on Feb 29, 2020 8:42:27 GMT -5
It’s because DC did a hard line wide reboot with new 52. Marvel changed direction with things like Marvel NOW but they didn’t start their entire continuity over from scratch so going back to the status quo was a lot easier. The level of complaints weren’t that far off though. With Marvel the issue was new less liked versions of characters replacing old ones.
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