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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 5, 2020 17:14:43 GMT -5
What might we have gotten?
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 7, 2020 2:50:05 GMT -5
In looking at the MCU-
There have been great films and underwhelming ones-
Imo- the two directors who most mirrored work done by Donner & Baird have to be the Roussos Brothers. (Who maybe not coincidentally also came from a televeision background)
Their ability to really know where to place the camera for maximum effect as well as all the other items in their toolbox makes me think that they probably come closest to what Donner might have done for the MCU-
At the same time, though---
Donner had different kinds of things working against him that the Roussos didn't have to worry about- (presumably)-
* Donner & the producers weren't on the same page-
* Many of the fx were never done before for STM and had to be invented from scratch
* STM was an independent film and wasn't backed by a powerhouse like Disney from the get go (though WB got supportive later on)
Donner's humbly said that he never did another superhero film after Superman because he didn't think he could achieve the same level of quality- that being the case, such an extra pity we'll never quite see a finished version the way it was long intended--
Though.... if they ever wanted to do a 3d cartoon version of what Donner had intended...
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Post by Metallo on Mar 7, 2020 11:17:05 GMT -5
You mean from the Donner and Baird of 40 years ago or now? Or if they’d been made then instead of now? They would have made good movies then. Maybe not great but certainly good. I think if we could take them from then and let them make movies today they’d still turn out something good but they’d have to work within that Marvel studios system were they’d have less freedom. It would still be good just limited.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 7, 2020 12:43:06 GMT -5
You mean from the Donner and Baird of 40 years ago or now? Or if they’d been made then instead of now? They would have made good movies then. Maybe not great but certainly good. I think if we could take them from then and let them make movies today they’d still turn out something good but they’d have to work within that Marvel studios system were they’d have less freedom. It would still be good just limited. Excellent points. Donner and Baird had the passion 40 years ago of doing a masterpiece... but it's hard to know where Marvel and Donner might have clashed if there was a scenario where Feige & Marvel existed back then or if you could transport both Donner & Baird back then to now. |
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Post by Metallo on Mar 7, 2020 13:56:14 GMT -5
Feige would probably give Donner a lot of freedom. Maybe even more than normal. And he’d do everything he could to make if a good working relationship and be respectful. But he’d still only be allowed to go so far. Marvel directors can make great films but they have to be able to work within the system. Some directors can do it. Some can’t.
Donner always struck me as more of a journeyman who occasionally rose to excellence. He’s not an auteur or someone who sees himself as an untouchable artist. He started in tv after all so he knows about working within the system as a gun for hire.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 7, 2020 14:24:13 GMT -5
Feige would probably give Donner a lot of freedom. Maybe even more than normal. And he’d do everything he could to make if a good working relationship and be respectful. But he’d still only be allowed to go so far. Marvel directors can make great films but they have to be able to work within the system. Some directors can do it. Some can’t. Donner always struck me as more of a journeyman who occasionally rose to excellence. He’s not an auteur or someone who sees himself as an untouchable artist. He started in tv after all so he knows about working within the system as a gun for hire. Marvel's window of creative freedom has always been a bit fascinating to me- On one hand--- you have the underwhelming Ant-Man movie that one feels could have been greater under Edgar Wright- so one would think that there's not enough freedom... On the other hand--- you have Avengers: Endgame which was masterful. So, whether it was too much or too little, the pie came out just right. (Or right enough) Donner has a certain set of aesthetics and a superior sense of making something feel cinematic- although his endings (much like James Mangold) can be hit/miss. His positivity, romanticism and sentimentality was a perfect fit for Superman. I could still see him do a great Batman film- (I wish he and Mank tackled that one and made that a franchise once Superman went awry)--- I could see it as a complementary piece- he'd probably focus on the tragedy but the romantic hopeful element at the same time. |
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