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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 12, 2020 22:37:52 GMT -5
Probably a thread here that's already done that, but so what?
LETHAL WEAPON SERIES:
Supposedly Lethal Weapon 5 might be happening/ might not/ who knows?
Donner's talked about it for years, but to be honest-
Lethal Weapon 2 was supposed to have Gibson's character die at the end- and Glover's character attend his funeral.
It might have been the best way to end the two films- but Lethal 3 does have a lot of enjoyment and its clear that Donner totally fell head over heels for the bromance and cast.
Lethal 4 was an interesting attempt- but I'd read that it really was written and filmed to fit a tiny window that had Gibson available- and it does feel rushed in too many areas.
If there's a great script that doesn't want to make anyone slash their wrists at the end, I'd be all for it...
INSIDE MOVES:
It's a nice quiet gem- with Donner's heart and positivity injected into what could have been a giant depressing film.
LADYHAWKE:
While the last act is predictable as heck-
Love the score, love the cast and cinematography, and it's engaging with a number of great scenes.
Extremely romantic (some would feel schmaltzy)--- but it has enough darkness in it to make the stakes high, but not so dark that its hard to rewatch.
It's too bad that the actors mentioned having a miserable time filming it- but in the end, it's a quiet underrated charmer.
Action, humor, romance- and wonderful showcase for the three leads- Matthew Broderick, Rutger Hauer (playing a good guy for once!) and Michecke Pfeiffer.
GOONIES:
I remember loving this as a kid- but rewatching it as an adult.... it's a little tougher for me to sit through. But, I'm glad that Donner got a ton (and probably still does) of love from this-
OMEN:
I remember what a BIG DEAL this was at the time. No wonder the Salkinds came to him.... but..... it is a little odd because the tone is so radically different from his other films. Again, the idea of Donner being able to mold his
storytelling to the material comes through!
Those are this 'winnders'- but his other films have bits and pieces that I think still redeem them. Next time will throw those out...
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Post by atp on Mar 13, 2020 2:16:36 GMT -5
I need to rewatch Ladyhawke. It's been almost 30 years since I saw it.
Recently was surprised to learn that the villain was also Professor Falken in Wargames.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 13, 2020 11:35:53 GMT -5
I need to rewatch Ladyhawke. It's been almost 30 years since I saw it. Recently was surprised to learn that the villain was also Professor Falken in Wargames. Some actors seem to always play villains.... happy for Rutger that he got to be a good guy in this one. Would have been interesting to have seen a sequel if it had done well.... but if the actors hated the filming, then who knows how good a sequel might have been. But the results are gorgeous. Hopefully they can look back & only remember the good, not just the bad. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 13, 2020 12:04:59 GMT -5
RADIO FLYER:
A well done film but it's a misguided one- and extremely disturbing one because the subject matter is so dark and hrorible.
Originally the writer/director of the Sandlot was supposed to direct, but the producers weren't happy with results and had Donner reshoot it- but the story itself is giantly flawed. I don't know how you could have ended this properly.
Speaking of poor endings-
ASSASSINS:
Nice performances by Stallone and Banderas- but.... wasted. Poor story by the off/on Wachowskis. Not one of Donner's better films.
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Post by Metallo on Mar 13, 2020 14:00:52 GMT -5
Scrooged is one movie Donner doesn’t seem to get enough credit for. People talk about it but rarely do I see Donners name get mentioned in relation to it.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 13, 2020 14:29:10 GMT -5
Scrooged is one movie Donner doesn’t seem to get enough credit for. People talk about it but rarely do I see Donners name get mentioned in relation to it. Totally forgot about that one! That was a good movie, with a good script-- (and Murray's choices of scripts were not 100 percent by any means) The bts is confusing on that one though--- I remember Bill Murray describing Donner as a mess- but with his deadpan face, couldn't tell if he was making a joke or angry at Donner. But- Murray's been described as someone on set who could be up or down- no crime being human, but odd that it sounds like they didn't hit it off... l. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 13, 2020 14:34:31 GMT -5
THE TOY-
I'd read that Donner didn't have final cut and the movie itself is pretty disappointing considering the talent involved--- but I believe in interviews Donner wasn't treated that great by Gleason and the producers.
Curious if there could be a directors' cut but.... then again, sometimes I've cringed at some of Donner's comedy moments in Lethal Weapon as too much. Donner does a lot of great stuff, but comedy is not his specialty imo per se.
TIMELINE-
Very 'meh'- directed well, but the story just wasn't all that engaging. I don't think it deserved the flak it got at all. Sad that it was his "Superman IV" to make him quit for awhile...
CONSPIRACY THEORY
Very good movie- but the ending tag is a little bit sappy and tagged on... but otherwise great film with great cast!
10 BLOCKS
Solid movie, but the story wasn't all that novel to me. Good but conventional I felt...
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Post by Metallo on Mar 13, 2020 20:28:39 GMT -5
Scrooged is one movie Donner doesn’t seem to get enough credit for. People talk about it but rarely do I see Donners name get mentioned in relation to it. Totally forgot about that one! That was a good movie, with a good script-- (and Murray's choices of scripts were not 100 percent by any means) The bts is confusing on that one though--- I remember Bill Murray describing Donner as a mess- but with his deadpan face, couldn't tell if he was making a joke or angry at Donner. But- Murray's been described as someone on set who could be up or down- no crime being human, but odd that it sounds like they didn't hit it off... l. Murray was an @ss to a lot of people during that period. He still is but then he was especially miserable and hard to work with. He wasn’t just a jerk to Donner he didn’t get along with Karen Allen either. A few years later he fell out with Harold Ramis because he wanted things his way on Groundhog Day and kept being a d!ck. Like you said though he’s always been a quirky hard to pin down guy. I’d almost call his moods mercurial. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 13, 2020 22:35:18 GMT -5
Totally forgot about that one! That was a good movie, with a good script-- (and Murray's choices of scripts were not 100 percent by any means) The bts is confusing on that one though--- I remember Bill Murray describing Donner as a mess- but with his deadpan face, couldn't tell if he was making a joke or angry at Donner. But- Murray's been described as someone on set who could be up or down- no crime being human, but odd that it sounds like they didn't hit it off... l. Murray was an @ss to a lot of people during that period. He still is but then he was especially miserable and hard to work with. He wasn’t just a jerk to Donner he didn’t get along with Karen Allen either. A few years later he fell out with Harold Ramis because he wanted things his way on Groundhog Day and kept being a d!ck. Like you said though he’s always been a quirky hard to pin down guy. I’d almost call his moods mercurial. Bizzare that for being a jerk on set a number of times (reportedly)--- that Murray had "Razor's Edge" as a personal project- Very earnest film about trying to find deep meaning in life that by no means was a 'safe' box office. Parts of it worked really well- and the score is fantastic... the behind the scenes intentions though fascinate me. Suprised that Murray didn't go deeper into his search for spiritual things considering the subject matter--- on a similar beat, interesting that two other comedians- Gary Shandling and Jim Carrey would go on to get REALLY deep into spirituality, while we really don't have much of a clue personally about Bill Murray. Bit of a cipher.... or just very private. |
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Post by Metallo on Mar 14, 2020 15:10:55 GMT -5
Murray seems to be a complicated person that does things his own way. Doesn’t care what others think or how they do it. I almost wonder if he’s got some undiagnosed condition. Everything he does seems so random.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 16, 2020 2:10:14 GMT -5
Murray seems to be a complicated person that does things his own way. Doesn’t care what others think or how they do it. I almost wonder if he’s got some undiagnosed condition. Everything he does seems so random. He's allowed to be his own person of course, but.... even though I don't know him as a person, from growing up with his films, from perspective from afar, I do feel a bit sad if in old age, he can't figure out how a degree of peace for himself & his world. |
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Post by Metallo on Mar 18, 2020 11:01:09 GMT -5
I don’t think it’s a peace thing. He seems to be at peace these days. He’s a pretty laid back guy. He’s not your usual Hollywood type. Murray sticks to his own thing calls his own shots and does things he wants to do on his time. The issue with him has always been when you put him with others. He doesn’t always seem to play well with others. He’s probably mellowed in old age but with him you never know what you might get. He’s unpredictable.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 21, 2020 13:18:12 GMT -5
I don’t think it’s a peace thing. He seems to be at peace these days. He’s a pretty laid back guy. He’s not your usual Hollywood type. Murray sticks to his own thing calls his own shots and does things he wants to do on his time. The issue with him has always been when you put him with others. He doesn’t always seem to play well with others. He’s probably mellowed in old age but with him you never know what you might get. He’s unpredictable. Andie McDowell said something similar in working with him on the Rosenbaum podcast.. |
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Post by dejan on Mar 23, 2020 12:23:20 GMT -5
Ok it's not a film....it was just one episode of the Twilight Zone-NIGHTMARE AT 20,000 FEET
It's fantastic.
Great direction, acting, suspense, atmosphere, editing and attention to detail.
All the pre-requisite elements that would also form Superman The Movie.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 23, 2020 15:41:36 GMT -5
Ok it's not a film....it was just one episode of the Twilight Zone-NIGHTMARE AT 20,000 FEET It's fantastic. Great direction, acting, suspense, atmosphere, editing and attention to detail. All the pre-requisite elements that would also form Superman The Movie. That one is another classic!  |
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Post by Metallo on Mar 26, 2020 16:01:00 GMT -5
Ok it's not a film....it was just one episode of the Twilight Zone-NIGHTMARE AT 20,000 FEET It's fantastic. Great direction, acting, suspense, atmosphere, editing and attention to detail. All the pre-requisite elements that would also form Superman The Movie. Well...it’s such a classic episode that it ending up being the basis for a segment in a film. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 26, 2020 17:03:23 GMT -5
Ok it's not a film....it was just one episode of the Twilight Zone-NIGHTMARE AT 20,000 FEET It's fantastic. Great direction, acting, suspense, atmosphere, editing and attention to detail. All the pre-requisite elements that would also form Superman The Movie. Well...it’s such a classic episode that it ending up being the basis for a segment in a film. That's right--- redone by George Miller! One great director redone by another! If I recall right, it was the best of that anthology film. |
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Post by Metallo on Mar 27, 2020 13:03:08 GMT -5
Easily the best. Landis’s segment could have been great but it was an infamous behind the scenes disaster. Miller actually used the advantages of the medium to bring something new to the story. If anything his version might be better than Donners. Spielbergs had the Spielbergian tone but it didn’t feel like twilight zone plus I don’t think he improved on the original segment in any way.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 27, 2020 18:37:48 GMT -5
Easily the best. Landis’s segment could have been great but it was an infamous behind the scenes disaster. Miller actually used the advantages of the medium to bring something new to the story. If anything his version might be better than Donners. Spielbergs had the Spielbergian tone but it didn’t feel like twilight zone plus I don’t think he improved on the original segment in any way. Miller is amazing. That's why I'm bummed his JLA movie never happened. No guarantees on anything, but it would have been interesting to see nontheless. |
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