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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 12, 2020 23:02:20 GMT -5
What would you do? Some thoughts for fun-
No suprise to anyone...
But...
#1: Cast Brandon Routh. Win-win.
#2: Who to play Lois? As long as it's not Amy Adams (Sorry Amy)- who just never felt right... Rachel McAdams might work... maybe.... but I compare all to: Margot Kidder, Erica Durance, Teri Hatcher--- all three felt 'just right' to me.
#3: Who to direct?
Well.... Donner seems to not be into it at this time- but as producer maybe?
Singer did his version that I love but I'm not certain even if he wasn't in isolation if he would be the best choice for a ground-up reboot...
For sure, someone with the calibre of a Peter Jackson who can be epic and personal and sustain a trilogy.
#4: Classic Costume.
Doesn't need the tiny 's'-es.... but red shorts are a must.
#5: Careful setup---
Brainiac starting in Krypton/ General Zod and group/
#6: John Williams or.... maybe Danny Elfman at this point?
Any others?
#7: Cinematography-
Classic old-fashioned style. Each image should be a painting and frameable.
No shakicam.
#8: Krypton-
How should this be designed? Would be nice if somehow the crystals were integrated, but be a fully fleshed out original creation. (Difficult with so many scifi/ fantasy films)
#9: TIme frame- I feel if there's a way- make it timeless.... tricky - but then again, that's what Donner did with his, too (and Sam Raimi copied that for Spiderman)
#10: Film the series back to back---
Including Supergirl, Lana, the whole Daily Planet staff (again, timeless allows the newspaper to thrive) in the series.
Anyhow- those are some thoughts- others?
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Post by atp on Mar 13, 2020 2:13:53 GMT -5
Yes, Brandon Routh to star.
Ryan Coogler to direct. (Directed first Creed)
Soundtrack by Ludwig Gorannson. (Did the soundtrack for Creed, and knows how to update a classic theme but still keep it familiar)
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Post by Metallo on Mar 13, 2020 13:58:15 GMT -5
I’d probably bring back Routh as Superman and have it loosely continue the continuity we saw in superman returns and crisis on infinite earths with an older Superman and Lois. Not sure who I get to direct or compose as long as it’s not Michael Giacchino or Hans Zimmer since I’m sick of both of them being on seemingly every other big movie.
I’d go with Brainiac as the villain since they’ve been trying to do it since 1982.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 13, 2020 14:38:25 GMT -5
I’d probably bring back Routh as Superman and have it loosely continue the continuity we saw in superman returns and crisis on infinite earths with an older Superman and Lois. Not sure who I get to direct or compose as long as it’s not Michael Giacchino or Hans Zimmer since I’m sick of both of them being on seemingly every other big movie. I’d go with Brainiac as the villain since they’ve been trying to do it since 1982. Interesting... I was thinking if it was 'complete reboot'- but the idea of just starting with older Superman using the deaths of his son and Lois could work.... but that would be maybe too dark for an already dark world. I also wonder- if Batman reboots are too soon- what would be a good timeframe to wait before launching another one? Food for thought.... As for music... Maybe one of Hans Zimmer's collaborators could take over? I do love that Rock soundtrack.... |
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Post by atp on Mar 13, 2020 18:30:22 GMT -5
I’d probably bring back Routh as Superman and have it loosely continue the continuity we saw in superman returns and crisis on infinite earths with an older Superman and Lois. Not sure who I get to direct or compose as long as it’s not Michael Giacchino or Hans Zimmer since I’m sick of both of them being on seemingly every other big movie. I’d go with Brainiac as the villain since they’ve been trying to do it since 1982. Interesting... I was thinking if it was 'complete reboot'- but the idea of just starting with older Superman using the deaths of his son and Lois could work.... but that would be maybe too dark for an already dark world. I also wonder- if Batman reboots are too soon- what would be a good timeframe to wait before launching another one? Food for thought.... As for music... Maybe one of Hans Zimmer's collaborators could take over? I do love that Rock soundtrack.... The Rock soundtrack would have been devent as a Superman theme. But the Hans Zimmer of today isn't great. Now his music is just a generic, anxiety-inducing noise. |
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Post by Metallo on Mar 13, 2020 20:23:08 GMT -5
I’d probably bring back Routh as Superman and have it loosely continue the continuity we saw in superman returns and crisis on infinite earths with an older Superman and Lois. Not sure who I get to direct or compose as long as it’s not Michael Giacchino or Hans Zimmer since I’m sick of both of them being on seemingly every other big movie. I’d go with Brainiac as the villain since they’ve been trying to do it since 1982. Interesting... I was thinking if it was 'complete reboot'- but the idea of just starting with older Superman using the deaths of his son and Lois could work.... but that would be maybe too dark for an already dark world. I also wonder- if Batman reboots are too soon- what would be a good timeframe to wait before launching another one? Food for thought.... As for music... Maybe one of Hans Zimmer's collaborators could take over? I do love that Rock soundtrack.... Jason and Lois are alive post crisis. Everyone killed in the anti matter wave was brought back when the multiverse was reborn and because events turned out differently in this new multiverse Lois apparently never died. Rouths take on superman was never the problem it was just the movie that had flaws. If I were to bring him back I don’t see the point in him playing a new/different rebooted version of Superman. When it comes to reboots usually good minimum is five years. Ideally it should be longer imo but I can live with five years. There are exceptions for me but they are rare. As for Zimmer most of his collaborators these days seem to come out of the Zimmer school and their work sounds just like his. I’m so over it at this point. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 13, 2020 22:29:52 GMT -5
Interesting... I was thinking if it was 'complete reboot'- but the idea of just starting with older Superman using the deaths of his son and Lois could work.... but that would be maybe too dark for an already dark world. I also wonder- if Batman reboots are too soon- what would be a good timeframe to wait before launching another one? Food for thought.... As for music... Maybe one of Hans Zimmer's collaborators could take over? I do love that Rock soundtrack.... The Rock soundtrack would have been devent as a Superman theme. But the Hans Zimmer of today isn't great. Now his music is just a generic, anxiety-inducing noise. I don't fault composers who can only do a few (or even one) 'great' movie themes--- I figure not every composer can be John WIlliams.  Having said that, I've loved a number of Zimmer's scores that have felt unique- and a number of them in my 'top ten'. At the same time- when film composers start doing material that sounds like they're ripped themselves off one too many times, it does dull the interest. (The late James Horner RIP comes to mind with a number of his scores. Loved his 'Wrath of Khan', "Aliens" and "Titanic", but thought a lot of his others weren't so memorable and sounded the same). |
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Post by Metallo on Mar 14, 2020 15:14:44 GMT -5
I’m with ATP. it’s not so much that he recycles the same themes or motifs. These days his stuff just sounds generic and lifeless. His stuff sounds like something produced in a factory. A lot of composers stuff sounds the same. Horner as you said. Silvestri is another one. At least they have their own unique sounds. Zimmers become boring and formulaic.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 14, 2020 20:46:58 GMT -5
I’m with ATP. it’s not so much that he recycles the same themes or motifs. These days his stuff just sounds generic and lifeless. Bus stuff sounds like something produced in a factory. A lot of composers stuff sounds the same. Horner as you said. Silvestri is another one. At least they have their own unique sounds. Zimmers become boring and formulaic. Agreed on Silvestri- While I loved his Back To the Future and Captain America.... I was not thrilled to see his name for the Avengers as composer- Ramin Djawadi's scores I'm really digging though--- maybe I'd hire him for the STMR (Superman the movie reboot) John Powell's scores for "Face/Off" and "X3" I really dug, I might consider him--- Pity the amazing Basil Poledouris died way too early- this Conan the Barbarian and Robocop are also classic! |
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Post by atp on Mar 15, 2020 2:59:45 GMT -5
Even John Williams is disappointing these days. It's not merely that he is recycling old music. Just that it doesn't even sound like music anymore.
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Post by Metallo on Mar 15, 2020 9:40:00 GMT -5
Even John Williams is disappointing these days. It's not merely that he is recycling old music. Just that it doesn't even sound like music anymore. Sounds like background noise or Elevator music doesn’t it? It doesn’t mean anything it’s just there to fill space. I think it’s partly Williams going with the style of today and him just getting old. He’s not as bad as most since he’s John f*cking Williams but it seems like he’s not even immune. I liked Rey’s theme but otherwise none of his new music really stood out to me. It was the same with Crystal Skull. I liked Spalkos theme but not much else stood out. Directors pushing temp scores that they want composers to follow is another problem. |
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Post by Metallo on Mar 15, 2020 9:45:43 GMT -5
I’m with ATP. it’s not so much that he recycles the same themes or motifs. These days his stuff just sounds generic and lifeless. Bus stuff sounds like something produced in a factory. A lot of composers stuff sounds the same. Horner as you said. Silvestri is another one. At least they have their own unique sounds. Zimmers become boring and formulaic. Agreed on Silvestri- While I loved his Back To the Future and Captain America.... I was not thrilled to see his name for the Avengers as composer- Ramin Djawadi's scores I'm really digging though--- maybe I'd hire him for the STMR (Superman the movie reboot) John Powell's scores for "Face/Off" and "X3" I really dug, I might consider him--- Pity the amazing Basil Poledouris died way too early- this Conan the Barbarian and Robocop are also classic! While a lot of Silvestri scores sound very same-y at least his work stands out from the generic cookie cutter sound of most other composers today. Perlmutter didn’t want to pay to bring him back so thank god Feige did when he got more control. The Infinity War/Endgame scores were breaths of fresh air compared to most of the recent DC film scores. It’s like most knew composers are ashamed of their scores having any identity. Seems like they think it’s childish or simple or old fashioned. That’s why it all blends into the background. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 16, 2020 2:07:28 GMT -5
Agreed on Silvestri- While I loved his Back To the Future and Captain America.... I was not thrilled to see his name for the Avengers as composer- Ramin Djawadi's scores I'm really digging though--- maybe I'd hire him for the STMR (Superman the movie reboot) John Powell's scores for "Face/Off" and "X3" I really dug, I might consider him--- Pity the amazing Basil Poledouris died way too early- this Conan the Barbarian and Robocop are also classic! While a lot of Silvestri scores sound very same-y at least his work stands out from the generic cookie cutter sound of most other composers today. Perlmutter didn’t want to pay to bring him back so thank god Feige did when he got more control. The Infinity War/Endgame scores were breaths of fresh air compared to most of the recent DC film scores. It’s like most knew composers are ashamed of their scores having any identity. Seems like they think it’s childish or simple or old fashioned. That’s why it all blends into the background. Wonder if it's something from up above as well. One thing that struck me as odd was Joss Whedon mentioning that Kevin Feige specifically didn't like the 'overly artsy' shots (I'm not sure if I"m summarizing this 100 percent though)- for the Marvel superhero films... But then again--- the Rousso brothers seemed to be able to pull those off and tell an awesome story. Similarly, wonder how many parameters Feige might have for the composers? Or DC? One thing for sure--- I really don't remember the DC music scores, outside of the Hans Zimmer ones. |
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Post by Metallo on Mar 16, 2020 17:09:09 GMT -5
I just don’t think Feige wanted it to look overly stylized. He wants a general style or aesthetic across most of the films.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 16, 2020 18:04:16 GMT -5
I just don’t think Feige wanted it to look overly stylized. He wants a general style or aesthetic across most of the films. Perhaps... though it might have been nice for some of the more formulaic ones to maybe have had a different visuals at least. At the same time--- the hit ratio is so high on the films, hard to argue with any decisions.... |
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Post by Metallo on Mar 18, 2020 10:55:46 GMT -5
If the MCU was stand alone films I think we’d see more extreme visual differences but he wants some consistency. People have certain expectations after seeing these films for a while. It’d be like crossing over Sin City with Dark Knight. They’re so visually different what would that even look like. Maybe not that extreme but the DCEU is struggling with something similar right now. Snyder’s films had such a stylized look. Now when new directors want to break away while still having their films set in the dceu its a little odd. Harley Quinn was unfortunately kind of stuck with that aesthetic.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 18, 2020 13:29:30 GMT -5
If the MCU was stand alone films I think we’d see more extreme visual differences but he wants some consistency. People have certain expectations after seeing these films for a while. It’d be like crossing over Sin City with Dark Knight. They’re so visually different what would that even look like. Maybe not that extreme but the DCEU is struggling with something similar right now. Snyder’s films had such a stylized look. Now when new directors want to break away while still having their films set in the dceu its a little odd. Harley Quinn was unfortunately kind of stuck with that aesthetic. True. Truthfully I'm curious because the reviewers said the movie is decent, but the trailers really turned me off for Birds of Prey. |
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Post by Metallo on Mar 18, 2020 19:21:08 GMT -5
They made the wrong moves and for the wrong reasons. Harley is a fun character but I’m not sure she’s a lead character at least not for a film.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 21, 2020 13:11:36 GMT -5
They made the wrong moves and for the wrong reasons. Harley is a fun character but I’m not sure she’s a lead character at least not for a film. With all the popularity I get why the studios rushed to greenlight a solo movie- but that doesn't quite explain the Halle Berry Catwoman. That decision was REALLY crazy. |
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Post by Metallo on Mar 26, 2020 15:57:17 GMT -5
They should have analyzed what worked in SS and what didn’t instead of the knee jerk reactions that resulted in BOP. Harley’s popular but popular enough to carry her own movie after making her debut in a divisive film? Questionable.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 26, 2020 17:34:42 GMT -5
They should have analyzed what worked in SS and what didn’t instead of the knee jerk reactions that resulted in BOP. Harley’s popular but popular enough to carry her own movie after making her debut in a divisive film? Questionable. I'll withhold judgement on the movie as reviewers say it's actually pretty good- but the trailers did nothing for me. |
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Post by Metallo on Mar 27, 2020 13:05:06 GMT -5
It got decent reviews but did it need to be R? Did it need to be structured the way it was? I think those are fair questions considering how it all turned out.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 27, 2020 18:36:34 GMT -5
It got decent reviews but did it need to be R? Did it need to be structured the way it was? I think those are fair questions considering how it all turned out. Haven't seen the movie yet, so can't comment... (I know I hated the trailers for Robocop but loved the actual movie, so willing to give it the benefit of the doubt) |
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