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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 26, 2020 15:33:45 GMT -5
Posted this in Don's Diner by accident. but might as well add to it-
* So...
Chris Reeve got script approval for S3 after renegotiations over S2, when S2 went over...
He must have rejected the Brainiac/Supergirl script- (as far as I know)... but why did he pick this one?
My only guess is that he just honed in on the acting challenge of Evil Supes and the lighter fluff style with Lois/Clark in STM/S2 he assumed would have more emotional weight (which Donner did add) in between the lines... plus, it was the same screenwriters (at least two of them) as STM/SII.... but.... who knows how Chris really felt about the end result?
Imagine if Chris leaned more on the serious side--- The script for SIV with the Salkinds' production values would have been interesting... plus, of course, they would have all been younger.
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Post by Metallo on Mar 26, 2020 16:07:32 GMT -5
I imagine it was good enough that maybe he thought they could do something with it. Compared to the first treatment what we got probably looked a million times better. Plus the clock was ticking on when they probably needed to go into principal photography. If he was ready to move on trying to delay the films with his demands wasn’t going to make that any easier. He probably also hoped they could fix anything he was concerned with while shooting.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 26, 2020 16:59:07 GMT -5
I imagine it was good enough that maybe he thought they could do something with it. Compared to the first treatment what we got probably looked a million times better. Plus the clock was ticking on when they probably needed to go into principal photography. If he was ready to move on trying to delay the films with his demands wasn’t going to make that any easier. He probably also hoped they could fix anything he was concerned with while shooting. Too much confidence in Lester... But, would have been nice to have heard more of how Reeve responded to the final SII and SIII. I know he wasn't really happy sharing the spotlight with Pryor (though I know it wasn't personal) for a Superman movie. |
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Post by Metallo on Mar 27, 2020 13:09:25 GMT -5
II is what it is. The script was decent enough but the behind the scenes shakeups were the real issue. With III you can kind of tell he was going to give it his best but he didn’t seem to be over the moon about the film while promoting it. The slapstick was probably there in the final shooting script so he knew what he was getting into. He had one more film to finish on that contract.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 27, 2020 18:32:01 GMT -5
II is what it is. The script was decent enough but the behind the scenes shakeups were the real issue. With III you can kind of tell he was going to give it his best but he didn’t seem to be over the moon about the film while promoting it. The slapstick was probably there in the final shooting script so he knew what he was getting into. He had one more film to finish on that contract. I think he just had too much trust in Lester's reputation from the Beatles' and Three Musketeer's films. Great actors aren't always the best judges of scripts it seems from the surface. Hugh Jackman was ecstatic about Van Helsing before it came out. |
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Post by atp on Mar 28, 2020 8:33:51 GMT -5
II is what it is. The script was decent enough but the behind the scenes shakeups were the real issue. With III you can kind of tell he was going to give it his best but he didn’t seem to be over the moon about the film while promoting it. The slapstick was probably there in the final shooting script so he knew what he was getting into. He had one more film to finish on that contract. I think he just had too much trust in Lester's reputation from the Beatles' and Three Musketeer's films. Great actors aren't always the best judges of scripts it seems from the surface. Hugh Jackman was ecstatic about Van Helsing before it came out. Russell Crowe was singing the praises of MoS before it came out too. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 28, 2020 19:01:33 GMT -5
I think he just had too much trust in Lester's reputation from the Beatles' and Three Musketeer's films. Great actors aren't always the best judges of scripts it seems from the surface. Hugh Jackman was ecstatic about Van Helsing before it came out. Russell Crowe was singing the praises of MoS before it came out too. It's somewhat understandable how many actors judge a film experience not by the final product (which might not even be ready) but the level of their enjoyment while shooting it.... |
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Post by Metallo on Apr 4, 2020 11:30:29 GMT -5
II is what it is. The script was decent enough but the behind the scenes shakeups were the real issue. With III you can kind of tell he was going to give it his best but he didn’t seem to be over the moon about the film while promoting it. The slapstick was probably there in the final shooting script so he knew what he was getting into. He had one more film to finish on that contract. I think he just had too much trust in Lester's reputation from the Beatles' and Three Musketeer's films. Great actors aren't always the best judges of scripts it seems from the surface. Hugh Jackman was ecstatic about Van Helsing before it came out. A lot can change from the script they signed on for and the script they end up shooting with. Once they sign up they have very little power without breaching their contract and contractually they have to put on that face. Look at the DCEU. Affleck bs’d everyone until after JL out. Diane Lane was really the only one who didn’t seem to care and gave a big hint at how flawed the movie was. It kind of shocked me. |
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Post by Metallo on Apr 4, 2020 11:32:58 GMT -5
I think he just had too much trust in Lester's reputation from the Beatles' and Three Musketeer's films. Great actors aren't always the best judges of scripts it seems from the surface. Hugh Jackman was ecstatic about Van Helsing before it came out. Russell Crowe was singing the praises of MoS before it came out too. So were Costner and Diane Lane. It was so obvious Costner was doing everything he could so he wouldn’t have to lie through his teeth which what he really thought. That’s why he usually kept it to Snyder’s technical skill. These people toe the line because it’s part of what they get paid for. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Apr 4, 2020 14:50:26 GMT -5
Russell Crowe was singing the praises of MoS before it came out too. So were Costner and Diane Lane. It was so obvious Costner was doing everything he could so he wouldn’t have to lie through his teeth which what he really thought. That’s why he usually kept it to Snyder’s technical skill. These people toe the line because it’s part of what they get paid for. True... They also might not have actually seen the finished film... |
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Post by atp on Apr 4, 2020 15:27:59 GMT -5
Almost everyone on this forum was singing the praises of MoS too.
It was a scary example of mass delusion.
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Post by Metallo on Apr 4, 2020 16:59:28 GMT -5
So were Costner and Diane Lane. It was so obvious Costner was doing everything he could so he wouldn’t have to lie through his teeth which what he really thought. That’s why he usually kept it to Snyder’s technical skill. These people toe the line because it’s part of what they get paid for. True... They also might not have actually seen the finished film... That and Costner was also a director himself. He know what kind of film he was in and what the priorities were. All three of them were too experienced for not see the writing on the wall by the time they were done filming. Lane had even been through that kind of directionless chaotic blockbuster before with Judge Dredd. |
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Post by Metallo on Apr 4, 2020 17:01:27 GMT -5
Almost everyone on this forum was singing the praises of MoS too. It was a scary example of mass delusion. I think some people genuinely liked it. I think some other people got wrapped up in the hype. That rush after just seeing the film and not really taking the time to mentally digest what they’d seen. I remember some did end up tempering their praise after some time passed. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Apr 4, 2020 17:08:22 GMT -5
Almost everyone on this forum was singing the praises of MoS too. It was a scary example of mass delusion. I think some people genuinely liked it. I think some other people got wrapped up in the hype. That rush after just seeing the film and not really taking the time to mentally digest what they’d seen. I remember some did end up tempering their praise after some time passed. I genuinely like parts of it. And I don't mind disagreeing on film (or other types of art), but the way some of the comments were made on MOS made the forum pretty uncomfortable compared to other times.... |
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Post by Metallo on Apr 4, 2020 17:18:47 GMT -5
Some people were on board no matter what. I remember certain people saying we should support it no matter what. Other people just didn’t want to get their hopes up only to be dashed again after SR.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Apr 4, 2020 18:34:40 GMT -5
Some people were on board no matter what. I remember certain people saying we should support it no matter what. Other people just didn’t want to get their hopes up only to be dashed again after SR. The trailer was exciting and gave me goosebumps. But the film... |
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Post by atp on Apr 5, 2020 5:40:45 GMT -5
Some people were on board no matter what. I remember certain people saying we should support it no matter what. Other people just didn’t want to get their hopes up only to be dashed again after SR. The trailer was exciting and gave me goosebumps. But the film... I was totally in love with the early trailers for MoS. The one that used the music from "The Thin Red Line" is still amazing. I started to have some doubts when the full-length trailer came out. The one with the actual Hans Zimmer drum music. I could already sense that something was wrong. But I tried to ignore my feelings. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Apr 5, 2020 13:39:23 GMT -5
The trailer was exciting and gave me goosebumps. But the film... I was totally in love with the early trailers for MoS. The one that used the music from "The Thin Red Line" is still amazing. I started to have some doubts when the full-length trailer came out. The one with the actual Hans Zimmer drum music. I could already sense that something was wrong. But I tried to ignore my feelings. I think the hope came from.... "What if Christopher Nolan is going to be hands-on and be the quality control filter here?"--- But then again.... TDKR was a giant mess to me. So.... |
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Post by atp on Apr 5, 2020 13:51:17 GMT -5
I was full of hope that we'd see a woman whose son was IN the bus. He saw...
What Clark did
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Post by Metallo on Apr 5, 2020 14:51:53 GMT -5
I was totally in love with the early trailers for MoS. The one that used the music from "The Thin Red Line" is still amazing. I started to have some doubts when the full-length trailer came out. The one with the actual Hans Zimmer drum music. I could already sense that something was wrong. But I tried to ignore my feelings. I think the hope came from.... "What if Christopher Nolan is going to be hands-on and be the quality control filter here?"--- But then again.... TDKR was a giant mess to me. So.... That first teaser won people over because it was a well put together trailer that didn’t look like Snyder’s usual action junk like speed ramping or fights. It had a very stylized art house quality to it. It looked an epic drama. They were trying really hard to appeal to the people who praised Dark Knight for being different. The more we got the more they had to show. Same thing happened with BvS. First teaser looked epic then we descended into stupid dudebro action junkie territory. |
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Post by atp on Apr 5, 2020 15:28:58 GMT -5
There was also a second trailer that was great. The one starting with, "The world's too big."
The truth only started to emerge with official trailer #3.
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Post by Metallo on Apr 5, 2020 18:07:33 GMT -5
Yeah I remember it had the different vocals for music and was really Malick-y too. It also had the awful “what was I supposed to do let them die?” “Maybe” exchange between young Clark and Jonathan Kent. I knew something was wrong then since that was way out of character.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Apr 6, 2020 2:01:55 GMT -5
Yeah I remember it had the different vocals for music and was really Malick-y too. It also had the awful “what was I supposed to do let them die?” “Maybe” exchange between young Clark and Jonathan Kent. I knew something was wrong then since that was way out of character. It hinted at something that could have been a deeper story about difficult moral choices..... but... NOPE! Just a sloppy mess that posed as something deep. |
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Post by Metallo on Apr 6, 2020 13:18:32 GMT -5
It’s Snyder’s entire M.O. He teases depth and drama but never follows through. It’s all lip service and he rushes to get that out of the way to create spectacle.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Apr 7, 2020 14:09:50 GMT -5
It’s Snyder’s entire M.O. He teases depth and drama but never follows through. It’s all lip service and he rushes to get that out of the way to create spectacle. I think he has too much confidence in his story abilities. Shown by his 'Sucker Punch'. I still think BvS was much stronger than MOS. But definitely imperfect. On the flip side, some people have major love for his 'Dawn of the Dead' remake. |
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