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Post by Metallo on Jun 7, 2020 12:08:27 GMT -5
The work was done by the same guy that made the Superman vs The Death Star videos. Pretty good work! Makes me want to see WB tackle a special edition of IV with additional footage and updated (or finished depending on how you look at it) effects.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jun 7, 2020 20:16:34 GMT -5
The work was done by the same guy that made the Superman vs The Death Star videos. Pretty good work! Makes me want to see WB tackle a special edition of IV with additional footage and updated (or finished depending on how you look at it) effects. I agree- it's pretty neat! It's not exactly the same style as STM/SII credits, but it's so much better than what ended up in the theatrical, it's neat to see! I do wonder if the "Snyder Cut" will cause a domino effect of Reeve Superman films getting the upgrade/revisit... let's hope so! |
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Post by booshman on Jun 11, 2020 9:29:42 GMT -5
I already saw mention of "Release the Furie Cut" on Caped Wonder.
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Post by Metallo on Jun 11, 2020 20:42:26 GMT -5
I saw the same thing somewhere else. It may have been The Superman Homepage. Thought it was hilarious but hey I’d watch it.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jun 11, 2020 23:35:35 GMT -5
If the proper materials are there- I'd like to think that with today's tech, that fixing the fx would be a lot easier and cheaper.
Also, if there were alternate takes and a talented editor in charge, who knows far they might be able to go with improving SIV at an 'affordable' price for WB.
If they already remastered most of the footage anyhow....and there's no 'Brando estate' cost.... would be nice to see!
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Post by Metallo on Jun 12, 2020 18:51:37 GMT -5
It would certainly be doable at a cheaper price than it was 15 years ago. Maybe even 30 years ago. Given enough time a few hardcore fans that are professionals could do it on pretty affordable equipment. It just depends on if WB sees it as worth the investment.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jun 14, 2020 13:10:30 GMT -5
It would certainly be doable at a cheaper price than it was 15 years ago. Maybe even 30 years ago. Given enough time a few hardcore fans that are professionals could do it on pretty affordable equipment. It just depends on if WB sees it as worth the investment. Rotoscoping some of the worst effects and finding background footage can be done by affordable home computer software now- but the hours involved to do that without pay would be hard to imagine any fan that hardcore to do it for Superman IV. On the flip side, if WB still has the original plates where rotoscoping might not be necessary, with today's tech- and with the theatrical footage of SIV already remastered- it would be just a few scenes that would need remastering & if it doesn't have to look perfect, then if it's not ILM quality, then it could at least look far better than what we got with the theatrical back then (I would hope & think) at a reasonable price. But, you're right- it all depends on WB feeling that it's worth the cost. I remember a campaign to do redo many of the Battlestar Galactica fx year ago like how Paramont invested in newer fx for the original Star Trek- pity it never got off the ground, but then again.... a lot of the season 1 BStar scripts were...underwhelming. |
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Post by crown on Jun 15, 2020 22:09:30 GMT -5
Looks better than the Donner Cut credits.
In a way, I always respected the SIV credits... nice and simple and to the point. We get some space, the Williams theme, a bunch of names, and boom we're done.
We don't have to deal with black and white curtains and little kid voiceovers, a montage of the previous film, or slapstick comedy... just a pure unadulterated Superman opening.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jun 18, 2020 2:33:02 GMT -5
Looks better than the Donner Cut credits. In a way, I always respected the SIV credits... nice and simple and to the point. We get some space, the Williams theme, a bunch of names, and boom we're done. We don't have to deal with black and white curtains and little kid voiceovers, a montage of the previous film, or slapstick comedy... just a pure unadulterated Superman opening. It does look better than the Donner Cut credits--- but the original black and white curtains/ comic book kid opening I loved- it was a nice nod to how much time had passed from 1938 to (then) the 1970s state of the art fx (for that time). Plus, the theatre I saw it in timed it so that 'real' curtains opened at the same time, adding to the '3d effect' of the opening titles. The extra mile from the very beginning was nice. With the recaps-montage, I actually didn't mind that so much for the Lester version, ironically... but, once again, all preference... |
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Post by atp on Jun 18, 2020 5:42:02 GMT -5
Looks better than the Donner Cut credits. In a way, I always respected the SIV credits... nice and simple and to the point. We get some space, the Williams theme, a bunch of names, and boom we're done. We don't have to deal with black and white curtains and little kid voiceovers, a montage of the previous film, or slapstick comedy... just a pure unadulterated Superman opening. It does look better than the Donner Cut credits--- but the original black and white curtains/ comic book kid opening I loved- it was a nice nod to how much time had passed from 1938 to (then) the 1970s state of the art fx (for that time). Plus, the theatre I saw it in timed it so that 'real' curtains opened at the same time, adding to the '3d effect' of the opening titles. The extra mile from the very beginning was nice. With the recaps-montage, I actually didn't mind that so much for the Lester version, ironically... but, once again, all preference... STM was the first movie I saw. I was 5. We also had real curtains opening at the same time as the screen curtains. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jun 18, 2020 16:20:44 GMT -5
It does look better than the Donner Cut credits--- but the original black and white curtains/ comic book kid opening I loved- it was a nice nod to how much time had passed from 1938 to (then) the 1970s state of the art fx (for that time). Plus, the theatre I saw it in timed it so that 'real' curtains opened at the same time, adding to the '3d effect' of the opening titles. The extra mile from the very beginning was nice. With the recaps-montage, I actually didn't mind that so much for the Lester version, ironically... but, once again, all preference... STM was the first movie I saw. I was 5. We also had real curtains opening at the same time as the screen curtains. That's awesome--- what a treat for a first movie!!! At the same time, I think I was just at the right age (damn I'm old) to appreciate the original Star Wars and STM--- from getting used to bad sfx in fantasy and the non-existence of ANY big-budgeted superhero films, it's hard to separate the enjoyment of the actual film STM from the sense of community with strangers in line and in the giant theatre who were spellbound by the movie experience. The 3d 'whoosh' of the beginning titles in the 'event' theatre I saw it in, made people a bit dizzy from the size of the screen combined with the curtains' effect and would always break out in a person or two joyously laughing at seeing something new that took their breath away. From the multiple times I'd seen it onscreen, I'd love hearing that and as a young comic book fan who was mocked for being into comic books, the movie was a sort of validation for my continued interest in comics at the time. (That's why Lester's flipping the second movie to be less serious irritated me so much perhaps) |
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Post by Metallo on Jun 18, 2020 16:58:11 GMT -5
I love STM’s opening credits. The whole thing. As far as I’m concerned no superhero movie has ever topped them.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jun 18, 2020 19:49:09 GMT -5
I love STM’s opening credits. The whole thing. As far as I’m concerned no superhero movie has ever topped them. Agreed. I do kind of wish that we could have seen a version where (as it was originally planned) it returns back to the kid with the comic book closing the book and anticipating the next issue. Also- I LOVE LOVE LOVE Bryan Singer's update of the same credits- though, of course, there also were the different versions considered (Pity that they didn't include the full sequences in a bonus disc). Singer said he considered it much like the Star Wars credits, that they should be the same--- I didn't mind Lester's inclusion of recap- the original Donner SII probably would not have had the recap credits, but I'd like to think there would have been additional visual elements if going through space (like the Singer version) so it wasn't exactly the same each time around. |
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Post by crown on Jun 18, 2020 20:27:09 GMT -5
I love STM’s opening credits. The whole thing. As far as I’m concerned no superhero movie has ever topped them. I remember being annoyed that every single credit had the woosh effect. I was used to the SII credits where only the title card had the swoosh and the rest of the credits cruised by. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jun 19, 2020 15:20:40 GMT -5
I love STM’s opening credits. The whole thing. As far as I’m concerned no superhero movie has ever topped them. I remember being annoyed that every single credit had the woosh effect. I was used to the SII credits where only the title card had the swoosh and the rest of the credits cruised by. I thought it was a nice celebration of John Williams entire score before the movie really began.... I think Williams also said so in an interview that used to be on Superman Cinema (can't find the link now, but Williams I think said that two incidents were his favorite in his entire film career- STM being one of them, Close Encounters I think the second)... In (some) old movies, they had a bit of music score before the movie began. They did this with ST:TMP--- It's kind of neat that I think this kind of emulates that--- though, the 'whoosh' sound effect I think helped when it looked 3d-ish in the first one. |
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