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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jul 18, 2020 15:41:31 GMT -5
Metallo and CAM Snyder is a bit of a contradiction He said that whilst watching STM in 1978 as a 12 year old he felt betrayed when Reeve smiled at the camera. It's like he has this obsession with wanting to experience(and create) fantasy as real to life as possible. But there is the problem....all his stuff is as far removed from reality as you can get...….even though he desperately wants to depict that real life reality. I hadn't read that before.... what did he want Reeve to do? Scream at the audience at the end? I want to give the guy a fair chance, but he's making it SO hard for me to turn a new leaf and be more positive when that's in his head ... Talented guy, Just the wrong guy to do a Superman movie. He could do a great live-action Heavy Metal movie I think that might fit more in line with his aesthetics. On a visual note, not to hit someone while they're down, (well, also he's doing the Snyder cut so he's not really down right now anyhow but)- I generally like his visuals but was bummed on that note with even his version of Kirby's New Gods- even if it was a smidge- I hope the director of New Gods isn't going to be constrained to use the same choices as him. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jul 18, 2020 15:57:19 GMT -5
Snyder’s a cynical style over substance objectivist. It’s as simple as that. He doesn’t want real life either. He just wants the harsher more tragic elements of real life without all the other stuff. And he wants it all in a stylized film presentation that’s far from realistic. No contradictions. All the more positive elements he talks about is him simply giving lip service. You’re right that the films don’t deliver on what they promise. Again that’s because it was all lip service. On a positive note, while studios are chasing the current trending.... I'm even more glad that Kevin Feige and not Nolan is proven to be the undisputed hit-maker and while as you mentioned before not every Marvel movie knocks it out of the park, it also doesn't go to the dark and depressing as MOS nor BvS. It's a pity that JL wasn't a bigger hit to get Joss Whedon into the center of it as it looks like was planned. To me, his WW script was a 'miss', but with his history with Buffy and Angel and whatnot- from a creative point of view, I think he totally has the right stuff to be in the center of it.... though I have a hunch he's on a 'grey' list rather than an 'A' list right now in Hollywood, unfortunately. ((Which I'm not sure why- he was a bad husband to his wife in his words but nobody on his tv shows -except maybe Charisma Carpenter who also qualified why she was mad at him- has said anything negative about him- and quality of his history of writing is hard to argue with. )) |
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Post by dejan on Jul 18, 2020 16:10:53 GMT -5
Metallo and CAM Snyder is a bit of a contradiction He said that whilst watching STM in 1978 as a 12 year old he felt betrayed when Reeve smiled at the camera. It's like he has this obsession with wanting to experience(and create) fantasy as real to life as possible. But there is the problem....all his stuff is as far removed from reality as you can get...….even though he desperately wants to depict that real life reality. Prior to MOS's release there was so much hoopla on how this flick would try and simulate how people would react to the presense of a supernatural being. And yet....what did we get....no f***ing reaction from the population at all.....just people gormlessly staring on like zombies.....heck having watched dawn Of The Dead a couple of times over the last few days.....the zombies in that flick have more character than the people looking on as Supe's performs superfeats in MOS. One example being at the end when Jenny Olsen mutters: "He saved us" …….with all the emotion of a rock. Compare that to the kids on the bus in STM: "Hey it's Superman!" How did Jenny even know to say, "He saved us" when nobody saw it happen. He was battling the world engine in the Indian Ocean! That is very true actually. Lie Valerie Perrine....I think I fell asleep during that sequence so never noticed  |
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Post by dejan on Jul 18, 2020 16:16:58 GMT -5
Metallo and CAM Snyder is a bit of a contradiction He said that whilst watching STM in 1978 as a 12 year old he felt betrayed when Reeve smiled at the camera. It's like he has this obsession with wanting to experience(and create) fantasy as real to life as possible. But there is the problem....all his stuff is as far removed from reality as you can get...….even though he desperately wants to depict that real life reality. I hadn't read that before.... what did he want Reeve to do? Scream at the audience at the end? I want to give the guy a fair chance, but he's making it SO hard for me to turn a new leaf and be more positive when that's in his head ... Talented guy, Just the wrong guy to do a Superman movie. He could do a great live-action Heavy Metal movie I think that might fit more in line with his aesthetics. On a visual note, not to hit someone while they're down, (well, also he's doing the Snyder cut so he's not really down right now anyhow but)- I generally like his visuals but was bummed on that note with even his version of Kirby's New Gods- even if it was a smidge- I hope the director of New Gods isn't going to be constrained to use the same choices as him. Maybe I am being harsh but I cannot bring myself to say that he is talented. He is the product of the post CGI age unfortunately. Strip away the CG and there is literally nothing left in any of his movies(oK maybe Dawn Of The dead from 2004 had some live action stuff). Donner shot more real live footage for SII in 77/78 than Snyder did for Justice League in 2015/16.! To be fair Snyder did actually shoot a video for an artist/singer who I was quite fond of back in 1994....Heather Nova. And that is essentially it....he is a music video director.....and that is where he should have stayed. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jul 18, 2020 16:22:29 GMT -5
I hadn't read that before.... what did he want Reeve to do? Scream at the audience at the end? I want to give the guy a fair chance, but he's making it SO hard for me to turn a new leaf and be more positive when that's in his head ... Talented guy, Just the wrong guy to do a Superman movie. He could do a great live-action Heavy Metal movie I think that might fit more in line with his aesthetics. On a visual note, not to hit someone while they're down, (well, also he's doing the Snyder cut so he's not really down right now anyhow but)- I generally like his visuals but was bummed on that note with even his version of Kirby's New Gods- even if it was a smidge- I hope the director of New Gods isn't going to be constrained to use the same choices as him. Maybe I am being harsh but I cannot bring myself to say that he is talented. He is the product of the post CGI age unfortunately. Strip away the CG and there is literally nothing left in any of his movies(oK maybe Dawn Of The dead from 2004 had some live action stuff). Donner shot more real live footage for SII in 77/78 than Snyder did for Justice League in 2015/16.! To be fair Snyder did actually shoot a video for an artist/singer who I was quite fond of back in 1994....Heather Nova. And that is essentially it....he is a music video director.....and that is where he should have stayed. Snyder and Michael Bay have their fans, but I'd be fine if they chose to just do movie trailers and music videos. The trailers rock. From a business standpoint, they seemed to keep things on budget and make films that look good- that's the talent I'm referring to. |
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Post by dejan on Jul 31, 2020 16:06:45 GMT -5
Maybe I am being harsh but I cannot bring myself to say that he is talented. He is the product of the post CGI age unfortunately. Strip away the CG and there is literally nothing left in any of his movies(oK maybe Dawn Of The dead from 2004 had some live action stuff). Donner shot more real live footage for SII in 77/78 than Snyder did for Justice League in 2015/16.! To be fair Snyder did actually shoot a video for an artist/singer who I was quite fond of back in 1994....Heather Nova. And that is essentially it....he is a music video director.....and that is where he should have stayed. Snyder and Michael Bay have their fans, but I'd be fine if they chose to just do movie trailers and music videos. The trailers rock. From a business standpoint, they seemed to keep things on budget and make films that look good- that's the talent I'm referring to. LOl---Just checked out this 2012 synopsis from a UK film buff who encapsulates some of the problems with our buddy..... ol' Zac www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKQKGoJjghc |
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Post by Metallo on Aug 1, 2020 16:05:44 GMT -5
Metallo and CAM Snyder is a bit of a contradiction He said that whilst watching STM in 1978 as a 12 year old he felt betrayed when Reeve smiled at the camera. It's like he has this obsession with wanting to experience(and create) fantasy as real to life as possible. But there is the problem....all his stuff is as far removed from reality as you can get...….even though he desperately wants to depict that real life reality. I hadn't read that before.... what did he want Reeve to do? Scream at the audience at the end? I want to give the guy a fair chance, but he's making it SO hard for me to turn a new leaf and be more positive when that's in his head ... Talented guy, Just the wrong guy to do a Superman movie. He could do a great live-action Heavy Metal movie I think that might fit more in line with his aesthetics. On a visual note, not to hit someone while they're down, (well, also he's doing the Snyder cut so he's not really down right now anyhow but)- I generally like his visuals but was bummed on that note with even his version of Kirby's New Gods- even if it was a smidge- I hope the director of New Gods isn't going to be constrained to use the same choices as him. I don’t even think he’d be good for that. Heavy Metal was a labor of love by so many people involved with it. There were a lot of brilliant talents from top to bottom. The Heavy Metal movie had a satirical slant and a sort of tongue in cheek coolness that Snyder wouldn’t be able to grasp nor care too. He’d just adapt the surface level stuff like blood and boobs because I think he’d either find everything else hokey or he wouldn’t get it. Snyder might be more interested in the Metal Hurlant magazine that inspired Heavy Metal and adapting that into something extreme and edgy and fx heavy but think all the artistry and cleverness of those stories would go right over his head too. |
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Post by Metallo on Aug 1, 2020 16:10:46 GMT -5
I hadn't read that before.... what did he want Reeve to do? Scream at the audience at the end? I want to give the guy a fair chance, but he's making it SO hard for me to turn a new leaf and be more positive when that's in his head ... Talented guy, Just the wrong guy to do a Superman movie. He could do a great live-action Heavy Metal movie I think that might fit more in line with his aesthetics. On a visual note, not to hit someone while they're down, (well, also he's doing the Snyder cut so he's not really down right now anyhow but)- I generally like his visuals but was bummed on that note with even his version of Kirby's New Gods- even if it was a smidge- I hope the director of New Gods isn't going to be constrained to use the same choices as him. Maybe I am being harsh but I cannot bring myself to say that he is talented. He is the product of the post CGI age unfortunately. Strip away the CG and there is literally nothing left in any of his movies(oK maybe Dawn Of The dead from 2004 had some live action stuff). Donner shot more real live footage for SII in 77/78 than Snyder did for Justice League in 2015/16.! To be fair Snyder did actually shoot a video for an artist/singer who I was quite fond of back in 1994....Heather Nova. And that is essentially it....he is a music video director.....and that is where he should have stayed. He’s a good visualist but even his visuals are pretty murky and edge lordish. He’s got absolutely no depth or heart or intelligence as a storyteller. It’s why he can’t seem to grasp fundamental things like emotion and character in his films. It’s why the people in most of his movies come off as unnatural. Dawn of the dead might be the sole exception because James Gunn wrote it and it was based on George Romero’s screenplay. Most of the work of crafting the emotion of the film was done before any work was done on it. Snyder just had to copy what was there. |
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Post by dejan on Aug 1, 2020 18:35:54 GMT -5
Maybe I am being harsh but I cannot bring myself to say that he is talented. He is the product of the post CGI age unfortunately. Strip away the CG and there is literally nothing left in any of his movies(oK maybe Dawn Of The dead from 2004 had some live action stuff). Donner shot more real live footage for SII in 77/78 than Snyder did for Justice League in 2015/16.! To be fair Snyder did actually shoot a video for an artist/singer who I was quite fond of back in 1994....Heather Nova. And that is essentially it....he is a music video director.....and that is where he should have stayed. He’s a good visualist but even his visuals are pretty murky and edge lordish. He’s got absolutely no depth or heart or intelligence as a storyteller. It’s why he can’t seem to grasp fundamental things like emotion and character in his films. It’s why the people in most of his movies come off as unnatural. Dawn of the dead might be the sole exception because James Gunn wrote it and it was based on George Romero’s screenplay. Most of the work of crafting the emotion of the film was done before any work was done on it. Snyder just had to copy what was there. Yes, having revisited 1978's Dawn Of The Dead a couple of times over the last few weeks(and totally enjoying it).......just re-inforces how far short Snyder falls. Admittedly , I have not seen the 2004 version for about 6 years now......but I found that to be an underwhelming experience when I did see it........and not a shred on the 1978 original....although from what I gather.....some horror fans actually prefer the 2004 for some reason. It's kind of ironic that Snyder has had a pop at recreating 2 classic movies from 1978.......and failed abyismallly |
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Post by Metallo on Aug 1, 2020 19:53:10 GMT -5
I think the reason some people prefer the 2004 version is because it’s more of an action film and it’s meaner, darker, and more violent. The first 20 or 30 minutes is the best part. The original relies more on its satire and social commentary. The remake is more story driven while the original is equal parts character and story because the main cast is smaller thus you can spend more time on each of them.
I like the 04 movie for what it is but it doesn’t touch the original as you said. Romero was doing what no one else was meanwhile we’ve had plenty of action driven zombie movies before and since. Snyder didn’t reinvent the wheel. At best he just used bigger wheels. Bigger isn’t always better though.
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