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Post by EnriqueH on Aug 5, 2020 21:57:32 GMT -5
I was just wondering if—after a 10 year run on TV—was Smallville’s presence on TV kinda take away from SR and MOS’s box office? If I had been watching Smallville consistently back then, I’m not sure I would’ve been that ecstatic about either movie.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 6, 2020 0:08:55 GMT -5
Totally possible!
I was thinking of that during the time SR came out. There were high school kids I was teaching that grew up and adored Smallville- and that was THEIR 'Superman'.
When STM came out- it had so many factors to build up anticipation for that film, not the least of which was supply/demand of a 'Superman' live action adaptation easily available.
With SR--- Superman as a film wasn't an 'event' to those kids who were hooked on Welling's Superman.... and other superhero films were getting better and SR wasn't the only superhero film event that was around. (To me, I was thrilled, but...)
I don't know if Smallville sunk MOS though- If I recall right, Smallville was already cancelled for awhile by then.
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Post by Metallo on Aug 6, 2020 7:05:01 GMT -5
Superman’s constant presence on tv on some form for over 20 years straight may have curbed the hunger for new Superman movies but what really sank SR and MOS was being boring, being stupid, or not making an emotional connection and people not caring. They basically sunk themselves. That’s been the case for a lot of DC movies over the last 15 years. They just weren’t must see events.
BvS had a lot more to offer than Superman so it couldn’t use comparisons to Smallville as an excuse yet it failed too. So did justice league. People just didn’t care. Give people a reason to care and something they like and they’ll show up. We’ve had a bunch of Joker lately too but even after Suicide Squad being crap people were still willing to go see the Joker movie because it looked interesting.
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Post by EnriqueH on Aug 6, 2020 8:13:25 GMT -5
After 10 years of Smallville showing us Superman’s origin, I’m not sure another origin movie was what audiences wanted or needed.
I’m in the middle of season 7, and I’m still enjoying Smallville tremendously. I wonder if it would’ve been better to have a Superman movie based on Smallville’s storyline with actors reprising their roles.
As someone invested in Smallville right now, I think I would’ve preferred seeing the actors and characters we grew to love continue the Superman story. Instead of having to start over with MOS.
You know, I’m grateful for SR being a continuation of the Donnerverse. We never thought we’d get that. Its heart was in the right place, but...we got what we got.
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Post by atp on Aug 7, 2020 1:12:28 GMT -5
After 10 years of Smallville showing us Superman’s origin, I’m not sure another origin movie was what audiences wanted or needed. I’m in the middle of season 7, and I’m still enjoying Smallville tremendously. I wonder if it would’ve been better to have a Superman movie based on Smallville’s storyline with actors reprising their roles. As someone invested in Smallville right now, I think I would’ve preferred seeing the actors and characters we grew to love continue the Superman story. Instead of having to start over with MOS. You know, I’m grateful for SR being a continuation of the Donnerverse. We never thought we’d get that. Its heart was in the right place, but...we got what we got. I never actually thought of that, but yes. Smallville probably did make another origin story redundant. I tend to think in "compartments" and so TV and cinema don't interact in my mind. But of course most people aren't like that. You're correct. |
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Post by atp on Aug 7, 2020 1:13:50 GMT -5
I never watched Smallville. I think I'll give it a try soon too. Not sure why, but it just didn't interest me at the time.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 7, 2020 3:57:42 GMT -5
Superman’s constant presence on tv on some form for over 20 years straight may have curbed the hunger for new Superman movies but what really sank SR and MOS was being boring, being stupid, or not making an emotional connection and people not caring. They basically sunk themselves. That’s been the case for a lot of DC movies over the last 15 years. They just weren’t must see events. BvS had a lot more to offer than Superman so it couldn’t use comparisons to Smallville as an excuse yet it failed too. So did justice league. People just didn’t care. Give people a reason to care and something they like and they’ll show up. We’ve had a bunch of Joker lately too but even after Suicide Squad being crap people were still willing to go see the Joker movie because it looked interesting. Regarding SR: I think the budget and box-office expectations were what 'ruined/sunk' SR.... Arguably, if Bryan Singer is/was a team player & I was WB- I would have said 'fine' to everything.... BUT.... include a superpowered fight (I think Michael Dougherty was also arguing for it) as one of the requirements to add in the 'wow' factor actionwise. Ironically, SR delivered on the character (imo) drama (if you ignore the disappointing Lex Luthor) but not on the action level, but X-men Apocalypse had action, but ruined itself by compromising on the character development level. If SR had a shrunken budget and things had to be scaled back, arguably if it made the same amount of money, it might have been deemed a success. MOS had a great trailer, I'll always give it that- and it looked like an extremely fresh and different take on the character--- and, it did.... so I guess it did deliver on that angle--- but unfortunately it also made Supes/Clark kind of a jerk with all the collateral damage. But, I digress... Smallville I still think affected SR moreso than MOS--- the time frame was a lot closer if I recall. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 7, 2020 4:00:24 GMT -5
I never watched Smallville. I think I'll give it a try soon too. Not sure why, but it just didn't interest me at the time. The pilot was suprisingly far more interesting than I would have expected... and there are episodes during the run that punch you in the gut emotionally. I think it's worth it for those episodes, and in some cases, it's worth it to see (in later seasons) some attempts at bringing in other DC comics characters that were very fun (Booster Gold and LSH to name a couple...) |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 7, 2020 4:08:37 GMT -5
After 10 years of Smallville showing us Superman’s origin, I’m not sure another origin movie was what audiences wanted or needed. I’m in the middle of season 7, and I’m still enjoying Smallville tremendously. I wonder if it would’ve been better to have a Superman movie based on Smallville’s storyline with actors reprising their roles. As someone invested in Smallville right now, I think I would’ve preferred seeing the actors and characters we grew to love continue the Superman story. Instead of having to start over with MOS. You know, I’m grateful for SR being a continuation of the Donnerverse. We never thought we’d get that. Its heart was in the right place, but...we got what we got. I'm forever sad that we didn't get an SR sequel. Sam Raimi said himself that he learned a lot doing Spiderman before he did Spiderman 2- and the growth shows, as Spiderman 2 is even smoother a ride than the first (and I even liked the first a lot). I think the same would have happened with the SR sequel. It would have been interesting to see a Smallville movie- I can't see it replacing the Donnerverse as my 'go to', but I would have been very open to it.... IF Welling was going to wear a costume and fly. If he didn't, I think I might have been too pissed to see it... On a side note- in talking about a 'what if' Smallville movie.... Still loving the things Crisis did- in many ways, it gave a sort of proper ending to Smallville, Flash, and SR--- even though it's been awhile now, I still think from how rare these things happen that it's pretty pretty cool we got any of that!  |
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