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Post by atp on May 16, 2021 7:29:33 GMT -5
Anybody ever wonder why Donner decided that the crystal jor-el sends should be green?
A couple of people have told me that they thought it was kryptonite*
Wouldnt it have been better and less confusing if it were blue?
[* radioactive fragments of his homeworld. It's deadly. (To him)]
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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 16, 2021 10:35:11 GMT -5
Anybody ever wonder why Donner decided that the crystal jor-el sends should be green? A couple of people have told me that they thought it was kryptonite* Wouldnt it have been better and less confusing if it were blue? [* radioactive fragments of his homeworld. It's deadly. (To him)] Agreed.... I remember a friend mentioning this way back then! Odd how it never got mentioned in any of the interviews with Donner, Mank or the producers. But I guess it's better than: * Blue? (Too much like the other crystals?) * Red? (too much like blood) * Brown? (not very colorful) * Yellow? (Bland and suggests caution not power) * Purple? (Too much color!) * Plaid? (Just bad taste!) |
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Post by atp on May 16, 2021 10:53:03 GMT -5
I think a strong turquoise blue would have worked nicely
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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 16, 2021 15:36:43 GMT -5
I think a string turquoise blue would have worked nicely Under Lester's direction I guess I should just be thankful that he didn't put in party streamers or glitter coming from the roof of the FOS when Supes gets the green crystal.... though I wouldn't put it past his approach to Supes. (Again, Lester did a fantastic Three Musketeers! So I'm not pure 'hater'!)  |
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Post by atp on May 16, 2021 15:38:51 GMT -5
I think a string turquoise blue would have worked nicely Under Lester's direction I guess I should just be thankful that he didn't put in party streamers or glitter coming from the roof of the FOS when Supes gets the green crystal.... though I wouldn't put it past his approach to Supes. (Again, Lester did a fantastic Three Musketeers! So I'm not pure 'hater'!) đđ¤Łđ
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Post by Metallo on May 17, 2021 12:43:55 GMT -5
Anybody ever wonder why Donner decided that the crystal jor-el sends should be green? A couple of people have told me that they thought it was kryptonite* Wouldnt it have been better and less confusing if it were blue? [* radioactive fragments of his homeworld. It's deadly. (To him)] Iâve always had the same thought. Unless they were worried about some issue with blue screen use at some point Iâd have made it blue. Iâve also seen people confuse it with kryptonite. They tried to make them look different enough in the film but the layman wouldnât know the difference. Either way I guess they made it green to make it stand out as special . |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 17, 2021 17:47:53 GMT -5
Anybody ever wonder why Donner decided that the crystal jor-el sends should be green? A couple of people have told me that they thought it was kryptonite* Wouldnt it have been better and less confusing if it were blue? [* radioactive fragments of his homeworld. It's deadly. (To him)] Iâve always had the same thought. Unless they were worried about some issue with blue screen use at some point Iâd have made it blue. Iâve also seen people confuse it with kryptonite. They tried to make them look different enough in the film but the layman wouldnât know the difference. Either way I guess they made it green to make it stand out as special . I guess a dark blue would have worked better and avoided some mild confusion. For sure, there had to be a conversation from the art department and DOnner at the options at some point. |
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Post by EnriqueH on May 27, 2021 6:29:22 GMT -5
I can remember watching that scene as a little kid and thinking, âHuh? Why is he putting kryptonite on the ship?â and asking my dad for clarification.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 27, 2021 13:26:39 GMT -5
I can remember watching that scene as a little kid and thinking, âHuh? Why is he putting kryptonite on the ship?â and asking my dad for clarification. LOL!  If Brando had his way, I can imagine how hard it would have been for your dad to try to explain why Jor-el onscreen was a talking bagel! |
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Post by Kamdan on May 28, 2021 22:36:12 GMT -5
Kryptonite is radiated fragments from the planet Kryptonâs exploding sun. Since the green crystal in the module was far from the destruction of Krypton, it was a safe substance that caused no harm. Itâs not the fact theyâre crystals that are harmful, itâs their radiation content. Thatâs what Luthor is talking about when he takes out the page from National Geographic. I believe it was a good notion of theirs to make the world of Krypton crystalline to explain the substance of Kryptonite.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 29, 2021 1:35:21 GMT -5
Kryptonite is radiated fragments from the planet Kryptonâs exploding sun. Since the green crystal in the module was far from the destruction of Krypton, it was a safe substance that caused no harm. Itâs not the fact theyâre crystals that are harmful, itâs their radiation content. Thatâs what Luthor is talking about when he takes out the page from National Geographic. I believe it was a good notion of theirs to make the world of Krypton crystalline to explain the substance of Kryptonite. It's a good point, but I do wonder what the production meeting was like when the color of the crystal was first introduced--- blue (or any other color) would have eliminated any question in anyone's mind... so I do wonder what the discussion with Donner might have been like. Very little seemed arbitrary in creative choices during Donner's time, so one wonders... |
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Post by atp on May 29, 2021 3:48:59 GMT -5
Kryptonite is radiated fragments from the planet Kryptonâs exploding sun. Since the green crystal in the module was far from the destruction of Krypton, it was a safe substance that caused no harm. Itâs not the fact theyâre crystals that are harmful, itâs their radiation content. Thatâs what Luthor is talking about when he takes out the page from National Geographic. I believe it was a good notion of theirs to make the world of Krypton crystalline to explain the substance of Kryptonite. It's deadly. (To him) |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 29, 2021 16:27:27 GMT -5
I always wonderedâwho did Singer feel the audience was for Superman Returns? One assumes someone would have to be a little familiar with superman lore to bother to see the movie-Alsoâ- all that aside, would Perryâs nephew be that dense? |
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Post by Metallo on May 31, 2021 15:09:10 GMT -5
I always wonderedâwho did Singer feel the audience was for Superman Returns? One assumes someone would have to be a little familiar with superman lore to bother to see the movie-Alsoâ- all that aside, would Perryâs nephew be that dense? I think he was trying to ride the line between the casual viewer and more knowledgeable fans. Plus considering the way the movie played fast and loose with its use of the Donner films and their backstory as well as the ways previous (then recent) adaptations like Lois & Clark and Smallville went in all sorts of different directions with the material Iâm guessing they felt even more of a need to kind of dumb certain things down or explain what their movie was doing. So many different adaptations can color peopleâs ideas of just what they think they know even beyond the show or movie they watched. I was in a shop a few weeks ago and some guy was asking me something. Then he talked about how Two Face killed Dlck Graysons family. I had to point out to him that was true in a movie not the entire lore. So it can all get a bit mixed up and complicated even to people who are fans depending on when and how they jumped into the fandom. By that point Smallville had five years of Kryptonite not only being deadly to Clark but turning normal people into super powered mutants. On the other side you had Justice League and JL Unlimited doing a story where long term Kryptonite exposure didnât give Luthor powers but was killing him (like in the early 90s comics). |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 31, 2021 16:00:16 GMT -5
I think he was trying to ride the line between the casual viewer and more knowledgeable fans. Plus considering the way the movie played fast and loose with its use of the Donner films and their backstory as well as the ways previous (then recent) adaptations like Lois & Clark and Smallville went in all sorts of different directions with the material Iâm guessing they felt even more of a need to kind of dumb certain things down or explain what their movie was doing. So many different adaptations can color peopleâs ideas of just what they think they know even beyond the show or movie they watched. I was in a shop a few weeks ago and some guy was asking me something. Then he talked about how Two Face killed vagina Graysons family. I had to point out to him that was true in a movie not the entire lore. So it can all get a bit mixed up and complicated even to people who are fans depending on when and how they jumped into the fandom. By that point Smallville had five years of Kryptonite not only being deadly to Clark but turning normal people into super powered mutants. On the other side you had Justice League and JL Unlimited doing a story where long term Kryptonite exposure didnât give Luthor powers but was killing him (like in the early 90s comics). You make a good point- also, though, it highlights one of the big problems with WB/DC doing a 'multiverse' approach on overdrive.... for the semi-casual viewer, I can only imagine the confusion with faster and faster reboots of major characters and chaotic continuity. Recently, a relative of mine who wsan't a rabid superhero fan recently fell in love with Disney plus's Wandavision and Winter Soldier--- then went back and rewatched Age of Ultron and Civil War! --- and thankfully the continuity is overall pretty solid in the MCU- so, if anything, she's even more invested by the 'one connected universe for the most part' approach by Feige. With WB/DC--- hooboy. I guess a new version of Superman and Batman everyday might work, but... the emotional investment by an audience can only go so far I imagine with that approach versus Marvel's... |
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Post by Metallo on May 31, 2021 17:21:44 GMT -5
I think he was trying to ride the line between the casual viewer and more knowledgeable fans. Plus considering the way the movie played fast and loose with its use of the Donner films and their backstory as well as the ways previous (then recent) adaptations like Lois & Clark and Smallville went in all sorts of different directions with the material Iâm guessing they felt even more of a need to kind of dumb certain things down or explain what their movie was doing. So many different adaptations can color peopleâs ideas of just what they think they know even beyond the show or movie they watched. I was in a shop a few weeks ago and some guy was asking me something. Then he talked about how Two Face killed Dlck Graysons family. I had to point out to him that was true in a movie not the entire lore. So it can all get a bit mixed up and complicated even to people who are fans depending on when and how they jumped into the fandom. By that point Smallville had five years of Kryptonite not only being deadly to Clark but turning normal people into super powered mutants. On the other side you had Justice League and JL Unlimited doing a story where long term Kryptonite exposure didnât give Luthor powers but was killing him (like in the early 90s comics). You make a good point- also, though, it highlights one of the big problems with WB/DC doing a 'multiverse' approach on overdrive.... for the semi-casual viewer, I can only imagine the confusion with faster and faster reboots of major characters and chaotic continuity. Recently, a relative of mine who wsan't a rabid superhero fan recently fell in love with Disney plus's Wandavision and Winter Soldier--- then went back and rewatched Age of Ultron and Civil War! --- and thankfully the continuity is overall pretty solid in the MCU- so, if anything, she's even more invested by the 'one connected universe for the most part' approach by Feige. With WB/DC--- hooboy. I guess a new version of Superman and Batman everyday might work, but... the emotional investment by an audience can only go so far I imagine with that approach versus Marvel's... I think its an issue they have to deal with. Not just a lot of recent versions but now and for a long time DC on film and tv has been competing with their own history and success. Cavill vs Reeve. Bale vs Affleck. Gustin vs Miller. For some people a hard line has been drawn for what the character âshould beâ and if itâs not that they arenât interested. Not saying itâs right or wrong. Thatâs just how it is. We saw it with Superman fans with preferences for Welling vs Routh then Welling vs Routh vs Cavill and now Cavill vs Hoechlin. Over the last 20 years some fans have grown up with four different Supermen and there are people who have their favorite and think that guy should be THE Superman. Youâve got four guys who are all relatively young that could suit up and play the character right now. Some of them overlapped and if you count CRISIS there was a window where all four were Clark and/or Superman just not full time. Of course the flip side of that is look at Marvel. Weâve had three different versions of Spider-Man in less than 20 years. Three different actors have played Bruce Banner. Theyâve shown that if the product is good it doesnât matter. The MCU versions are thriving despite the previous versions existing. People will accept a new version. Of course a major difference is WB is considering having multiple versions of the same characters on screen at the same time. Itâs something thatâs rare but not unheard of. Depending on how well itâs done I think people can accept and even enjoy it as long as they donât go too far. Ten different Batmen on screen at one time would be overkill but two or three spread out in tv AND movies in solo and team up projects could be feasible. If some of those appearances are one time things and not long term even better. Between stuff like Elseworlds, Crisis, Into The Spider-verse and soon The Flash, Spider-man No Way Home, and Doctor Strange 2 they are priming people to understand the multiverse. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on May 31, 2021 18:32:08 GMT -5
Well said!
For me- it's funny to have this situation, because I grew up with (as many here did I'm sure)- NO quality superhero material, tv or movies- to then have an overload of them is possibly an embarrassment of riches-
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In an ideal world-
I'd rather that there be less mediocre and half-thought out adaptations in favor of stronger 4-5 movie franchises that are so good, you wouldn't WANT a reboot or spinoff.
Still...
As always- the MCU is setting the bar and continuing to do new and fresh things that reverberate and give value to all of its branches. It's a pity Kevin Feige can't clone himself.
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