Things I am getting sick of in Superman movies and tv shows

[atp]

1) Kryptonians taking over people's bodies

2) Kryptonians trying "save their people" and bring back Krypton

3) Aerial battles with buildings being destroyed

4) Red eyes and dramatic heat vision

It's all getting boring, lazy and overused

[Metallo]

I am getting tired of the angry red beat vision eyes. It’s overused. Most of the others have been done in movies where Snyder Superman is the biggest offender.

Smallville started the whole “Kryptonians in other peoples bodies” thing on screen.

[dejan]

Aug 22, 2021 14:43:41 GMT -5 atp said:

1) Kryptonians taking over people's bodies

2) Kryptonians trying "save their people" and bring back Krypton

3) Aerial battles with buildings being destroyed

4) Red eyes and dramatic heat vision

It's all getting boring, lazy and overused

You are right.

Personally.......I find something like this far more novel and exciting  :

[atp]

Aug 23, 2021 21:10:35 GMT -5 Metallo said:

I am getting tired of the angry red beat vision eyes. It’s overused. Most of the others have been done in movies where Snyder Superman is the biggest offender.

Smallville started the whole “Kryptonians in other peoples bodies” thing on screen.

I started watching Smallville recently. Thought it was ok, but then stopped after all the "Kryptonians in other people's bodies" crap

[atp]

Also sick of:

1) Superman or Kryptonians standing in midair, hovering above people

2) Kryptonians wearing leather jackets

[Metallo]

Lol. We might have to blame Smallville for that too. Leather Jackets and long black coats. Though Gerard Christopher did wear a leather jacket as an alt universe version of Superboy. We can blame Smallville for the whole leather jacket/vinyl costume/hoodie fixation that has plagued DC tv shows for years. Sure the current shows do it better but Smallville was trying to pull off more modern/real world versions of superhero costumes by doing it.

At least when movies like X-men and Daredevil did it they tried to still make them look like actual uniforms and they had more money to make them look less silly. Clark looked like he was ready to go clubbing on Smallville.

[atp]

Aug 29, 2021 14:39:36 GMT -5 Metallo said:

Lol. We might have to blame Smallville for that too. Leather Jackets and long black coats. Though Gerard Christopher did wear a leather jacket as an alt universe version of Superboy. We can blame Smallville for the whole leather jacket/vinyl costume/hoodie fixation that has plagued DC tv shows for years. Sure the current shows do it better but Smallville was trying to pull off more modern/real world versions of superhero costumes by doing it.

At least when movies like X-men and Daredevil did it they tried to still make them look like actual uniforms and they had more money to make them look less silly. Clark looked like he was ready to go clubbing on Smallville.

Yes, the long coat thing must fuck off

[atp]

Another crap concept that is overused and boring now is "alternate Earths" and multiverses.

F uck that already.

There is ONE Earth and ONE Superman.

[Metallo]

Dec 9, 2021 2:40:38 GMT -5 atp said:

Another crap concept that is overused and boring now is "alternate Earths" and multiverses.

F uck that already.

There is ONE Earth and ONE Superman.

Well…hasn’t been that way for about 50 years. As far as on screen they’re just now getting into it so it’s a bit early to say it’s overused. They’ve just scratched the surface. I think it’s a great thing to dip into occasionally because it lets them do things they’d never be able to do otherwise. It’s an in universe way to bring back old versions of characters that we’d never see otherwise.

[crazy_asian_man]

Dec 9, 2021 9:51:45 GMT -5 Metallo said:

Dec 9, 2021 2:40:38 GMT -5 atp said:

Another crap concept that is overused and boring now is "alternate Earths" and multiverses.

F uck that already.

There is ONE Earth and ONE Superman.

Well…hasn’t been that way for about 50 years. As far as on screen they’re just now getting into it so it’s a bit early to say it’s overused. They’ve just scratched the surface. I think it’s a great thing to dip into occasionally because it lets them do things they’d never be able to do otherwise. It’s an in universe way to bring back old versions of characters that we’d never see otherwise.

Agreed. Will be interesting to see how both WB/DC and Marvel handle the movie multiverse going forward, but the easy money says Marvel will kill it- whereas WB/DC.... who knows?

[EnriqueH]

Dec 9, 2021 2:40:38 GMT -5 atp said:

Another crap concept that is overused and boring now is "alternate Earths" and multiverses.

F uck that already.

There is ONE Earth and ONE Superman.

Man, all that comes right out of a comic book.

[atp]

Dec 17, 2021 21:00:20 GMT -5 EnriqueH said:

Dec 9, 2021 2:40:38 GMT -5 atp said:

Another crap concept that is overused and boring now is "alternate Earths" and multiverses.

F uck that already.

There is ONE Earth and ONE Superman.

Man, all that comes right out of a comic book.

It's unorthodox

[Metallo]

Dec 18, 2021 1:48:02 GMT -5 atp said:

Dec 17, 2021 21:00:20 GMT -5 EnriqueH said:

Man, all that comes right out of a comic book.

It's unorthodox

The source material as a whole and the characters are unorthodox. Like anything it really just depends on how it’s all used and executed. If the newest Spider-Man movie is any indication if done right it really can get people excited and deliver a satisfying story.

[EnriqueH]

Aug 22, 2021 14:43:41 GMT -5 atp said:

1) Kryptonians taking over people's bodies

2) Kryptonians trying "save their people" and bring back Krypton

3) Aerial battles with buildings being destroyed

4) Red eyes and dramatic heat vision

It's all getting boring, lazy and overused

The main problem isn’t that. The main problem is that we need emotional content.

[atp]

Dec 19, 2021 19:58:24 GMT -5 EnriqueH said:

Aug 22, 2021 14:43:41 GMT -5 atp said:

1) Kryptonians taking over people's bodies

2) Kryptonians trying "save their people" and bring back Krypton

3) Aerial battles with buildings being destroyed

4) Red eyes and dramatic heat vision

It's all getting boring, lazy and overused

The main problem isn’t that. The main problem is that we need emotional content.

Not anger?

[EnriqueH]

That’s it!

[dejan]

You folks are clued up far more than me on the comic book lore surrounding multiverses and stuff.
Having said that , not long after my seminal(for me!!) 1981 cinematic viewings of:



Spiderman:The Dragon's Challenge:



and the STM/SII back to back double bill:



  my 7 year old appetite for all things comic book was really fired up.

And one thing really titilated my imagination.
The 5 year old(by the time I became aware of it in 1981----various Spidey comics would tease the cover below!) comic book cross over of Spidey and Supes.



Tried desperately to search that sucker down in every newsagent and comicbook store I could find in Cambridge back in 81' with no luck-lol!
 
So my little 7 year old self  would basically dream about Reeve's Supes hookin' up with Hammond's Spidey!

Theoretically , if there had been a DC/Marvel crossover on the big screen way back then, it could have been believable(assuming all other hypothetical factors were accounted for-budget,SPFX,directing,editing ect ect) , as both actors had made their respective characters their own by the early 80s.
For me personally , Hammond is still my favourite Spidey/Parker.

And would much rather have seen a good Spidey /Supes mash up .......than the travesty that is SIV!

But maybe that's the final frontier for movie comic book adaptations-a cinematic cross over of Marvel's and DC's big guns.
Should it ever come to pass, you heard it here first, from Dejan, folks-lol!
 




  

[atp]

Dec 20, 2021 21:31:17 GMT -5 dejan said:

You folks are clued up far more than me on the comic book lore surrounding multiverses and stuff.
Having said that , not long after my seminal(for me!!) 1981 cinematic viewings of:



Spiderman:The Dragon's Challenge:



and the STM/SII back to back double bill:



  my 7 year old appetite for all things comic book was really fired up.

And one thing really titilated my imagination.
The 5 year old(by the time I became aware of it in 1981----various Spidey comics would tease the cover below!) comic book cross over of Spidey and Supes.



Tried desperately to search that sucker down in every newsagent and comicbook store I could find in Cambridge back in 81' with no luck-lol!
 
So my little 7 year old self  would basically dream about Reeve's Supes hookin' up with Hammond's Spidey!

Theoretically , if there had been a DC/Marvel crossover on the big screen way back then, it could have been believable(assuming all other hypothetical factors were accounted for-budget,SPFX,directing,editing ect ect) , as both actors had made their respective characters their own by the early 80s.
For me personally , Hammond is still my favourite Spidey/Parker.

And would much rather have seen a good Spidey /Supes mash up .......than the travesty that is SIV!

But maybe that's the final frontier for movie comic book adaptations-a cinematic cross over of Marvel's and DC's big guns.
Should it ever come to pass, you heard it here first, from Dejan, folks-lol!
 




  

I loved The Dragon's Challenge movie back in the day. As a child,I was fascinated by anything to do with Chinatowns, and loved Big Trouble in Little China too.

Slightly off-topic, but did you know Nicholas Hammond was one of the singing children in The Sound of Music? I just realised that recently, and it blew me away! He was the boy called "Friedrich", singing here:

[atp]

Dec 20, 2021 0:01:07 GMT -5 EnriqueH said:

That’s it!

Is it like the cinematographer in STM, panning away to the moon?

[dejan]

atp

Nice to know you are(or were!!-lol) fond of the original "live"(well-excluding the Japanese one!) Spiderman too!

I first saw Sound Of Music in 84' on TV(loved  it!).
By that point a couple of years had gone by since seeing Spidey in the cinema- so never made the connection with Hammond's role in both films.

Having said that , the Spidey series/show(including the 3 episodes that ran theatrically here in europe only) ran just once on UK TV---in late 1981.
Watched that avidly too--but without a VCR in 1981-it too became a thing of memory for the best part of 10 years.

The 3 Hammond Spidey theatricals were rebroadcast on TV here in the UK, in late 1989.
I was 16 by then and now had a VCR--taped the sucker and remember it being not quite as good as I had recalled it from 1981--lol! -but that's when I realised Hammond was the main man from The Sound Of M.

Life before the internet--lol!

Sorry--did not want to derail the thread.

Although we credit Reeve with accentuating the idea of taking the material seriously with regards to comic book adaptations to the big screen, both Hammond and Bixbie had already done that on TV for Spidey and Hulk respectively, back in 1977/78.

For Spidey--the great Fred Waugh doubled for  Hammond when it came to the show's extravagant stunts.

The clip below of Spidey walking on the ledge of The Empire State still takes my breath away----and as i said in other threads--I will still take that over the CG drivel we get today(here's looking at you Spider Man No Way Home!).

 

[EnriqueH]

Dec 21, 2021 2:14:23 GMT -5 atp said:

Dec 20, 2021 0:01:07 GMT -5 EnriqueH said:

That’s it!

Is it like the cinematographer in STM, panning away to the moon?

Don’t focus on the moon or will miss Reeve’s heavenly glory.

[EnriqueH]

Dec 21, 2021 4:16:25 GMT -5 dejan said:

atp

Nice to know you are(or were!!-lol) fond of the original "live"(well-excluding the Japanese one!) Spiderman too!

I first saw Sound Of Music in 84' on TV(loved  it!).
By that point a couple of years had gone by since seeing Spidey in the cinema- so never made the connection with Hammond's role in both films.

Having said that , the Spidey series/show(including the 3 episodes that ran theatrically here in europe only) ran just once on UK TV---in late 1981.
Watched that avidly too--but without a VCR in 1981-it too became a thing of memory for the best part of 10 years.

The 3 Hammond Spidey theatricals were rebroadcast on TV here in the UK, in late 1989.
I was 16 by then and now had a VCR--taped the sucker and remember it being not quite as good as I had recalled it from 1981--lol! -but that's when I realised Hammond was the main man from The Sound Of M.

Life before the internet--lol!

Sorry--did not want to derail the thread.

Although we credit Reeve with accentuating the idea of taking the material seriously with regards to comic book adaptations to the big screen, both Hammond and Bixbie had already done that on TV for Spidey and Hulk respectively, back in 1977/78.

For Spidey--the great Fred Waugh doubled for  Hammond when it came to the show's extravagant stunts.

The clip below of Spidey walking on the ledge of The Empire State still takes my breath away----and as i said in other threads--I will still take that over the CG drivel we get today(here's looking at you Spider Man No Way Home!).

 

My God! ATP loves 70s Spider-Man like I do? Why didn’t I….

[Metallo]

Dec 20, 2021 21:31:17 GMT -5 dejan said:

You folks are clued up far more than me on the comic book lore surrounding multiverses and stuff.
Having said that , not long after my seminal(for me!!) 1981 cinematic viewings of:



Spiderman:The Dragon's Challenge:



and the STM/SII back to back double bill:



  my 7 year old appetite for all things comic book was really fired up.

And one thing really titilated my imagination.
The 5 year old(by the time I became aware of it in 1981----various Spidey comics would tease the cover below!) comic book cross over of Spidey and Supes.



Tried desperately to search that sucker down in every newsagent and comicbook store I could find in Cambridge back in 81' with no luck-lol!
 
So my little 7 year old self  would basically dream about Reeve's Supes hookin' up with Hammond's Spidey!

Theoretically , if there had been a DC/Marvel crossover on the big screen way back then, it could have been believable(assuming all other hypothetical factors were accounted for-budget,SPFX,directing,editing ect ect) , as both actors had made their respective characters their own by the early 80s.
For me personally , Hammond is still my favourite Spidey/Parker.

And would much rather have seen a good Spidey /Supes mash up .......than the travesty that is SIV!

But maybe that's the final frontier for movie comic book adaptations-a cinematic cross over of Marvel's and DC's big guns.
Should it ever come to pass, you heard it here first, from Dejan, folks-lol!
 

  

In some crazy alternate universe it actually happened.

[Metallo]

Dec 21, 2021 9:09:40 GMT -5 EnriqueH said:

Dec 21, 2021 4:16:25 GMT -5 dejan said:

atp

Nice to know you are(or were!!-lol) fond of the original "live"(well-excluding the Japanese one!) Spiderman too!

I first saw Sound Of Music in 84' on TV(loved  it!).
By that point a couple of years had gone by since seeing Spidey in the cinema- so never made the connection with Hammond's role in both films.

Having said that , the Spidey series/show(including the 3 episodes that ran theatrically here in europe only) ran just once on UK TV---in late 1981.
Watched that avidly too--but without a VCR in 1981-it too became a thing of memory for the best part of 10 years.

The 3 Hammond Spidey theatricals were rebroadcast on TV here in the UK, in late 1989.
I was 16 by then and now had a VCR--taped the sucker and remember it being not quite as good as I had recalled it from 1981--lol! -but that's when I realised Hammond was the main man from The Sound Of M.

Life before the internet--lol!

Sorry--did not want to derail the thread.

Although we credit Reeve with accentuating the idea of taking the material seriously with regards to comic book adaptations to the big screen, both Hammond and Bixbie had already done that on TV for Spidey and Hulk respectively, back in 1977/78.

For Spidey--the great Fred Waugh doubled for  Hammond when it came to the show's extravagant stunts.

The clip below of Spidey walking on the ledge of The Empire State still takes my breath away----and as i said in other threads--I will still take that over the CG drivel we get today(here's looking at you Spider Man No Way Home!).

 

My God! ATP loves 70s Spider-Man like I do? Why didn’t I….

Who of a certain age doesn’t? Nicholas Hammond is sorely underrated.

[EnriqueH]

Fred Waugh had BALLS OF STEEL.