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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jun 4, 2023 1:07:21 GMT -5
There's an extended cut of Spiderman 2, and editor's cut of Spiderman 3, so one wonders... Why the heck isn't there extra cuts for Superman II already?  One thought for SII already was the extra cost to pay Brando's estate, but beyond that... Still wondering on the extended Brando-free tv cut!!! |
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Post by Kamdan on Jun 4, 2023 9:15:21 GMT -5
Losing faith in Warners after they botched up the recent 4K release of the films.
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Post by atp on Jun 4, 2023 10:21:38 GMT -5
Losing faith in Warners after they botched up the recent 4K release of the films. Is the new S2 release at least worthwhile? I have heard bad things about the 4K for STM sadly |
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Post by crown on Jun 5, 2023 0:13:28 GMT -5
Losing faith in Warners after they botched up the recent 4K release of the films. Is the new S2 release at least worthwhile? I have heard bad things about the 4K for STM sadly I heard that WB is going to produce a special scene for the new release of SII which will take place between the moon scene and White House scene. Using advanced AI technology Terrance Stamp, Sarah Douglas and Jack O'Halloran will be shown destroying key monuments from around the world. Youngins accustomed to the The Avengers will have their minds blown by this scene. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jun 5, 2023 2:04:40 GMT -5
Is the new S2 release at least worthwhile? I have heard bad things about the 4K for STM sadly I heard that WB is going to produce a special scene for the new release of SII which will take place between the moon scene and White House scene. Using advanced AI technology Terrance Stamp, Sarah Douglas and Jack O'Halloran will be shown destroying key monuments from around the world. Youngins accustomed to the The Avengers will have their minds blown by this scene. If only!  |
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Post by Kamdan on Jun 5, 2023 5:26:35 GMT -5
Both cuts of II were handled alright. It was nice to see them have a consistent picture quality. Just makes it annoying that they can’t make Superman: The Movie look consistent with the other transfers. Hope Caped Wonder wasn’t joshing us when they said another transfer was made.
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Post by atp on Jun 5, 2023 8:25:27 GMT -5
Is the new S2 release at least worthwhile? I have heard bad things about the 4K for STM sadly I heard that WB is going to produce a special scene for the new release of SII which will take place between the moon scene and White House scene. Using advanced AI technology Terrance Stamp, Sarah Douglas and Jack O'Halloran will be shown destroying key monuments from around the world. Youngins accustomed to the The Avengers will have their minds blown by this scene. Will it be AI or CGI? |
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Post by crown on Jun 5, 2023 15:07:14 GMT -5
I heard that WB is going to produce a special scene for the new release of SII which will take place between the moon scene and White House scene. Using advanced AI technology Terrance Stamp, Sarah Douglas and Jack O'Halloran will be shown destroying key monuments from around the world. Youngins accustomed to the The Avengers will have their minds blown by this scene. Will it be AI or CGI? They would need to use AI technology to recreate a young Terrance Stamp Sarah Douglas and Jack O. There’s no way regular CGI could pull of this sequence convincingly. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jun 5, 2023 15:59:43 GMT -5
They would need to use AI technology to recreate a young Terrance Stamp Sarah Douglas and Jack O. There’s no way regular CGI could pull of this sequence convincingly. I envy those who are skilled in Deepfake or AI or CGI software - they probably could restore the Donner cut the way that it should be done- filling in the missing shots and scenes in the Mank script (that couldn't be solved even if the RDC was edited properly), what with voice duplication for actors who passed away or to generate footage that wasn't shot and can't be shot for whatever reason. |
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Post by crown on Jun 5, 2023 20:07:27 GMT -5
They would need to use AI technology to recreate a young Terrance Stamp Sarah Douglas and Jack O. There’s no way regular CGI could pull of this sequence convincingly. I envy those who are skilled in Deepfake or AI or CGI software - they probably could restore the Donner cut the way that it should be done- filling in the missing shots and scenes in the Mank script (that couldn't be solved even if the RDC was edited properly), what with voice duplication for actors who passed away or to generate footage that wasn't shot and can't be shot for whatever reason. They could re-create all the unshot Donner scenes using AI technology with photo-real representations of Reeve and Kidder mined from all their previous movies. Just look at what they did with Harrison Ford. What I'd be most worried about is the scene of AI Villains Ruling the World by destroying key monuments. Might kids these days find such a scene.. destroying monuments.... rather tame in light of over a decade of MCU action? |
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Post by atp on Jun 5, 2023 22:49:29 GMT -5
Wonder if Mr Thau has learned AI
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Post by crown on Jun 5, 2023 23:40:13 GMT -5
Wonder if Mr Thau has learned AI Why don't you write Mr. Thau a letter and ask him? |
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Post by atp on Jun 6, 2023 0:43:39 GMT -5
Wonder if Mr Thau has learned AI Why don't you write Mr. Thau a letter and ask him? I'll tell you who I'd write a letter to that would do some good |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jun 6, 2023 1:47:38 GMT -5
Why don't you write Mr. Thau a letter and ask him? I'll tell you who I'd write a letter to that would do some good "I just wish he would've said 'yes'!" |
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Post by dejan on Jun 6, 2023 4:49:11 GMT -5
I envy those who are skilled in Deepfake or AI or CGI software - they probably could restore the Donner cut the way that it should be done- filling in the missing shots and scenes in the Mank script (that couldn't be solved even if the RDC was edited properly), what with voice duplication for actors who passed away or to generate footage that wasn't shot and can't be shot for whatever reason. They could re-create all the unshot Donner scenes using AI technology with photo-real representations of Reeve and Kidder mined from all their previous movies. Just look at what they did with Harrison Ford. What I'd be most worried about is the scene of AI Villains Ruling the World by destroying key monuments. Might kids these days find such a scene.. destroying monuments.... rather tame in light of over a decade of MCU action? To be fair....even by the mid 70s, there had also been several disaster films which featured epic destruction of either cities, buildings or objects(planes/ships/cars ect ect): Towering Inferno,Earthquake, ,Poseidon Adventure,Airport 77' are the ones that come to mind.....there maybe others i am missing. Actually even 1978's The Swarm featured a train being derailed in the opening scene. CAM linked to it on another thread. The novelty of SII as conceived by Donner and Mank was that said destruction would be induced by human like individuals as opposed to "naturalistic" type events(earthquakes/fires/malfunctions ect). As I've said in a couple of other threads, as scripted by Mank, that destruction sequence needed a bit more padding otherwise it would have been almost too quick, ironically reducing the resonating effect of said destruction. If Donner had been allowed to finish in 79'.....I think he would have found a way to elongate that sequence. On edit: Recall CAM mentioning 1979's Meteor. Goto 1:11:11 for the big set piece: For 1979 that effect is very impressive. The overall movie, however, not so impressive! But that sequence of Hong Kong getting flooded was the big show stopper of the entire flick! Donner's task would have been herculean because Mank's script required Paris,Tokyo,Washington and NYC(Metrop) to all take significant damage. How long would that have taken to shoot and how much would it have cost, had Donner been allowed to finish in 79', remains an intrigueing mystery! |
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Post by dejan on Jun 6, 2023 5:04:58 GMT -5
I'll tell you who I'd write a letter to that would do some good "I just wish he would've said 'yes'!" Brilliant! |
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Post by crown on Jun 6, 2023 13:18:58 GMT -5
Why don't you write Mr. Thau a letter and ask him? I'll tell you who I'd write a letter to that would do some good Who Santa Claus? No Selutron! |
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Post by atp on Jun 6, 2023 14:46:56 GMT -5
I'll tell you who I'd write a letter to that would do some good Who Santa Claus? No Selutron! Hah! Selutron didn't even do nuthin'. Come on. Let's go. |
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Post by crown on Jun 6, 2023 15:10:16 GMT -5
Who Santa Claus? No Selutron! Hah! Selutron didn't even do nuthin'. Come on. Let's go. Selutron will be back. As long as he’s alive he’s gonna try again. |
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Post by dejan on Jun 6, 2023 16:44:00 GMT -5
Hah! Selutron didn't even do nuthin'. Come on. Let's go. Selutron will be back. As long as he’s alive he’s gonna try again. The Selutron cut: Scruffy.....so morbid. A sentimental replica of Donner's Superman II, long since vanished. No style at all. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jun 6, 2023 19:56:53 GMT -5
They could re-create all the unshot Donner scenes using AI technology with photo-real representations of Reeve and Kidder mined from all their previous movies. Just look at what they did with Harrison Ford. What I'd be most worried about is the scene of AI Villains Ruling the World by destroying key monuments. Might kids these days find such a scene.. destroying monuments.... rather tame in light of over a decade of MCU action? To be fair....even by the mid 70s, there had also been several disaster films which featured epic destruction of either cities, buildings or objects(planes/ships/cars ect ect): Towering Inferno,Earthquake, ,Poseidon Adventure,Airport 77' are the ones that come to mind.....there maybe others i am missing. Actually even 1978's The Swarm featured a train being derailed in the opening scene. CAM linked to it on another thread. The novelty of SII as conceived by Donner and Mank was that said destruction would be induced by human like individuals as opposed to "naturalistic" type events(earthquakes/fires/malfunctions ect). As I've said in a couple of other threads, as scripted by Mank, that destruction sequence needed a bit more padding otherwise it would have been almost too quick, ironically reducing the resonating effect of said destruction. If Donner had been allowed to finish in 79'.....I think he would have found a way to elongate that sequence. On edit: Recall CAM mentioning 1979's Meteor. Goto 1:11:11 for the big set piece: For 1979 that effect is very impressive. The overall movie, however, not so impressive! But that sequence of Hong Kong getting flooded was the big show stopper of the entire flick! Donner's task would have been herculean because Mank's script required Paris,Tokyo,Washington and NYC(Metrop) to all take significant damage. How long would that have taken to shoot and how much would it have cost, had Donner been allowed to finish in 79', remains an intrigueing mystery! - a restored SII would never really be for 'new'/younger audiences but should look like it was around the time frame it was made in.... which I think was one of the problems with Lucas' special edition for "A New Hope" (in parts at least). dejan- the Salkinds (and Spengler) could have looked at the success (and cost) of STM and gone either way.... to feel like they could have spent more for SII and that it would make even more--- or--- (as they did) they thought that they wanted to spend less (jettisoning Brando's participation). In an ideal alternative world, it would have been the first, and Donner/Salkinds would have joined hands and made SII the 'Titanic' of all superhero and disaster films. It's arguable if SII would have made more with Brando and the added spectacle of being the biggest disaster movie ever.... I don't know if it would have matched Star Wars: A New Hope's grosses--- but I do feel like it would have made more, had it retained the serious tone and had what would have been more showstopping visual fx pieces for the final act. (At the time even Gene Siskel who recommended it, was not overly impressed with the action). To me, it would have felt more like "Endgame" with its proper balance of humor and intensity. |
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