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Post by crown on Jun 14, 2023 20:00:22 GMT -5
Even depowered Clark was a physical beast. So then why did he get his booty handed to him by some middle aged trucker 1/2 his size? If Clark couldn’t handle Rocky in an even match how did he expect to beat Non even with his powers?
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Post by dejan on Jun 15, 2023 19:24:29 GMT -5
What about the Clark that faced Supey in the junkyard!
Was he at least partiallly depowered?
He seemed to get out of breath throwing a couple of tyres.
He struggled to overpower the compressor.
He was groggy after the car magnet fell on his head.
He could not even fly!
Still kicked ol' evil Supe's booty in the end though.
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Post by crown on Jun 15, 2023 21:27:03 GMT -5
What about the Clark that faced Supey in the junkyard! Was he at least partiallly depowered? He seemed to get out of breath throwing a couple of tyres. He struggled to overpower the compressor. He was groggy after the car magnet fell on his head. He could not even fly! Still kicked ol' evil Supe's booty in the end though. I think Reeve Superman was always relatively weak except in SIV. In S1-3, Supes probably only had the strength of 20 men tops. in SIII he had trouble lifting a few tires, but in SII he had trouble stopping a bus and only caught an antenna. And in STM he had to grit his teeth to push over a few boulders. Then all of a sudden in SIV Superman can lift the statue of liberty and move the moon. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jun 25, 2023 23:11:03 GMT -5
What about the Clark that faced Supey in the junkyard! Was he at least partiallly depowered? He seemed to get out of breath throwing a couple of tyres. He struggled to overpower the compressor. He was groggy after the car magnet fell on his head. He could not even fly! Still kicked ol' evil Supe's booty in the end though. I think Reeve Superman was always relatively weak except in SIV. In S1-3, Supes probably only had the strength of 20 men tops. in SIII he had trouble lifting a few tires, but in SII he had trouble stopping a bus and only caught an antenna. And in STM he had to grit his teeth to push over a few boulders. Then all of a sudden in SIV Superman can lift the statue of liberty and move the moon. The power scale was always a bit odd in the Superman films.... but it had to be a challenge. Too little and it's not really Superman. Too much and where's the tension? (One reason I hated the turning back the time power in STM, even though emotionally it worked great though I hope it never gets brought back.) |
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Post by crown on Jun 26, 2023 3:00:22 GMT -5
I think Reeve Superman was always relatively weak except in SIV. In S1-3, Supes probably only had the strength of 20 men tops. in SIII he had trouble lifting a few tires, but in SII he had trouble stopping a bus and only caught an antenna. And in STM he had to grit his teeth to push over a few boulders. Then all of a sudden in SIV Superman can lift the statue of liberty and move the moon. The power scale was always a bit odd in the Superman films.... but it had to be a challenge. Too little and it's not really Superman. Too much and where's the tension? (One reason I hated the turning back the time power in STM, even though emotionally it worked great though I hope it never gets brought back.) I thought Superman’s power level was odd in Superman 4. Look at how Superman is holding up the Statue of Liberty he’s holding it by the very tip and like he’s not even trying. He doesn’t even look like he’s holding it up, he looks like he’s just touching it. He’s holding it up with such ease that he should have whacked Nuclear man with the statue like a baseball bat when he tried to claw him. |
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Post by Kamdan on Jun 26, 2023 7:10:23 GMT -5
Clark didn’t seem like a “physical beast” in those diner scenes because they were shot early in production when Reeve was starting to bulk up. It was always so jarring in the Fortress scenes to see him go from bulk to slim. Always figured his 225 pounds of mass severely toned down his mass. Also, Reeve’s Superman never had any real physical alternations until he has to deal with the Kryptonian villains. He totally ignored the “you can be hurt like an ordinary man” statement and wasn’t ready to experience pain.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jun 26, 2023 18:03:48 GMT -5
The power scale was always a bit odd in the Superman films.... but it had to be a challenge. Too little and it's not really Superman. Too much and where's the tension? (One reason I hated the turning back the time power in STM, even though emotionally it worked great though I hope it never gets brought back.) I thought Superman’s power level was odd in Superman 4. Look at how Superman is holding up the Statue of Liberty he’s holding it by the very tip and like he’s not even trying. He doesn’t even look like he’s holding it up, he looks like he’s just touching it. He’s holding it up with such ease that he should have whacked Nuclear man with the statue like a baseball bat when he tried to claw him. The power scale is definitely all over the place. Look at SII- when Supes lifts the tower- but is easily knocked over by a manhole cover. (  ) One of those things where it's 'good not to think TOO deeply' about for a Superman movie.... (or the comics for that matter). |
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Post by crown on Jun 26, 2023 21:16:11 GMT -5
Clark didn’t seem like a “physical beast” in those diner scenes because they were shot early in production when Reeve was starting to bulk up. It was always so jarring in the Fortress scenes to see him go from bulk to slim. Always figured his 225 pounds of mass severely toned down his mass. Also, Reeve’s Superman never had any real physical alternations until he has to deal with the Kryptonian villains. He totally ignored the “you can be hurt like an ordinary man” statement and wasn’t ready to experience pain. The diner scene was shot well into the production…. November of 1977. It was the last scene Reeve did for Superman 2 with Donner before they suspended production and he was well buff by then. |
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