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Post by crown on Jun 23, 2023 2:44:23 GMT -5
If Lois told Clark she just wanted to be platonic friends AFTER he had just given up his powers for her would Clark have been justified in punching Lois? Clark would have said “Girl or no girl you’re gonna spit teeth!” How would you react?
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Post by crown on Jun 27, 2023 0:26:39 GMT -5
I'm not saying it's right to hit a woman. What I'm saying is that anyone would understand Clark punching Lois if she friend-zoned Clark's booty the moment he came of the of the molecular chamber.
Lois: I don't know what to say.
Clark: Just say you love me.
Lois: Well actually I think we should just be friends. You see I never really loved you I was only in love with Superman.
Clark: POW! I'LL KNOCK YOUR LIGHTS OUT!
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jun 27, 2023 3:34:39 GMT -5
I'm not saying it's right to hit a woman. What I'm saying is that anyone would understand Clark punching Lois if she friend-zoned Clark's booty the moment he came of the of the molecular chamber. Lois: I don't know what to say. Clark: Just say you love me. Lois: Well actually I think we should just be friends. You see I never really loved you I was only in love with Superman. Clark: POW! I'LL KNOCK YOUR LIGHTS OUT! Well...... I always hated the exchange between Lois and Clark even on first view of SII right after the depowering as directed by Lester. The performances (and the way it was shot/edited didn't help) seemed very 'off'... we know that Reeve and Kidder didn't really get along, but Donner was able to make us believe that they loved one another in STM... didn't really feel that in this scene. It was clear to me that sentimentality just isn't in Lester's DNA. This rewritten exchange is a bit misogynistic, but it seems to have more plausibility than the theatrical scene as it was in the theatres! lol |
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Post by crown on Jun 27, 2023 4:10:34 GMT -5
I'm not saying it's right to hit a woman. What I'm saying is that anyone would understand Clark punching Lois if she friend-zoned Clark's booty the moment he came of the of the molecular chamber. Lois: I don't know what to say. Clark: Just say you love me. Lois: Well actually I think we should just be friends. You see I never really loved you I was only in love with Superman. Clark: POW! I'LL KNOCK YOUR LIGHTS OUT! Well...... I always hated the exchange between Lois and Clark even on first view of SII right after the depowering as directed by Lester. The performances (and the way it was shot/edited didn't help) seemed very 'off'... we know that Reeve and Kidder didn't really get along, but Donner was able to make us believe that they loved one another in STM... didn't really feel that in this scene. It was clear to me that sentimentality just isn't in Lester's DNA. This rewritten exchange is a bit misogynistic, but it seems to have more plausibility than the theatrical scene as it was in the theatres! lol I'm just saying that no one "approve" of Clark punching Lois but NO ONE would blame him either. Even if Clark was initially arrested for punching Lois the Judge would let him go upon learning why he did it. There is literally no other plausible reaction Clark could have other than punching Lois and everyone on this forum would have done the same. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jun 27, 2023 9:45:42 GMT -5
I don’t know about punching, but I would definitely give the super stink eye if that happened.  |
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Post by dejan on Jun 27, 2023 13:02:03 GMT -5
I'm not saying it's right to hit a woman. What I'm saying is that anyone would understand Clark punching Lois if she friend-zoned Clark's booty the moment he came of the of the molecular chamber. Lois: I don't know what to say. Clark: Just say you love me. Lois: Well actually I think we should just be friends. You see I never really loved you I was only in love with Superman. Clark: POW! I'LL KNOCK YOUR LIGHTS OUT! Well...... I always hated the exchange between Lois and Clark even on first view of SII right after the depowering as directed by Lester. The performances (and the way it was shot/edited didn't help) seemed very 'off'... we know that Reeve and Kidder didn't really get along, but Donner was able to make us believe that they loved one another in STM... didn't really feel that in this scene. It was clear to me that sentimentality just isn't in Lester's DNA. This rewritten exchange is a bit misogynistic, but it seems to have more plausibility than the theatrical scene as it was in the theatres! lol Have to respectfully disagree(as always!). Lester had very cleverly written a few scenes where Lois was already warming up to Clark: In the office: Lois: "What else are friends for?". Clark: "Friends huh?". In the hotel: Clark: "Gee....you look very pretty". Lois: "Thank you Clark"(places hand on his shoulder). At the Falls: Clark: "Everybody else is holding hands......maybe we should too" Lois: "Here is my hand Clark......hold it" Back at the hotel after Clark takes off his glasses: Clark: "I don't know why I did that". Lois: "Maybe you did not want to do it with your mind.......but maybe you wanted to do it with your heart". IMHO.....made the relationship much more believable and layered.....so when the time came for Supes to be depowered.....it was more acceptable to Lois that she was truly in love with the guy .....as opposed to what he was(Supes). In fact this point is re-inforced just after the depowering is finished: Lois: "You did all that for me?......I don't know what to say". Clark: "Just say you love me" Lois hugs him. Beautiful recitation from the actors and great directing from Lester. Cinematography looks fantastic too.....more so in 4K. So Lois was ultimately in love with the man because of the sacrifice he made(in giving up his powers). That was a clear break from Mank's rather monolithic and one dimensional charade in his script,where Lois kept pissing all over Clark....whilst being head over heals in love with Supes. It worked for STM.....but had it continued in that vain in SII, had Donner been allowed to finish, it would not have been believable that Lois could point blank accept a depowered Clark as the guy she was always in love with. Lester, having had far more experience with romance in his movie repetoire, than Donner(unless Donner tackled serious romance in his TV stuff?), by that point in the late 70s , noticed the deficiencies in the Mank script and rectified them. That's why most contemporary critics rated the love story as depicted in the theatrical SII as being better or superior to what was seen in STM. |
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Post by crown on Jun 27, 2023 15:20:20 GMT -5
Well...... I always hated the exchange between Lois and Clark even on first view of SII right after the depowering as directed by Lester. The performances (and the way it was shot/edited didn't help) seemed very 'off'... we know that Reeve and Kidder didn't really get along, but Donner was able to make us believe that they loved one another in STM... didn't really feel that in this scene. It was clear to me that sentimentality just isn't in Lester's DNA. This rewritten exchange is a bit misogynistic, but it seems to have more plausibility than the theatrical scene as it was in the theatres! lol Have to respectfully disagree(as always!). Lester had very cleverly written a few scenes where Lois was already warming up to Clark: In the office: Lois: "What else are friends for?". Clark: "Friends huh?". In the hotel: Clark: "Gee....you look very pretty". Lois: "Thank you Clark"(places hand on his shoulder). At the Falls: Clark: "Everybody else is holding hands......maybe we should too" Lois: "Here is my hand Clark......hold it" Back at the hotel after Clark takes off his glasses: Clark: "I don't know why I did that". Lois: "Maybe you did not want to do it with your mind.......but maybe you wanted to do it with your heart". IMHO.....made the relationship much more believable and layered.....so when the time came for Supes to be depowered.....it was more acceptable to Lois that she was truly in love with the guy .....as opposed to what he was(Supes). In fact this point is re-inforced just after the depowering is finished: Lois: "You did all that for me?......I don't know what to say". Clark: "Just say you love me" Lois hugs him. Beautiful recitation from the actors and great directing from Lester. Cinematography looks fantastic too.....more so in 4K. So Lois was ultimately in love with the man because of the sacrifice he made(in giving up his powers). That was a clear break from Mank's rather monolithic and one dimensional charade in his script,where Lois kept pissing all over Clark....whilst being head over heals in love with Supes. It worked for STM.....but had it continued in that vain in SII, had Donner been allowed to finish, it would not have been believable that Lois could point blank accept a depowered Clark as the guy she was always in love with. Lester, having had far more experience with romance in his movie repetoire, than Donner(unless Donner tackled serious romance in his TV stuff?), by that point in the late 70s , noticed the deficiencies in the Mank script and rectified them. That's why most contemporary critics rated the love story as depicted in the theatrical SII as being better or superior to what was seen in STM. You’re dodging the question. If Lois had rejected Clark right after he gave up his powers for her what would have been his reaction if not punching her?? That’s the only plausible reaction and everyone on this forum would have done the same. |
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Post by dejan on Jun 27, 2023 16:32:04 GMT -5
Have to respectfully disagree(as always!). Lester had very cleverly written a few scenes where Lois was already warming up to Clark: In the office: Lois: "What else are friends for?". Clark: "Friends huh?". In the hotel: Clark: "Gee....you look very pretty". Lois: "Thank you Clark"(places hand on his shoulder). At the Falls: Clark: "Everybody else is holding hands......maybe we should too" Lois: "Here is my hand Clark......hold it" Back at the hotel after Clark takes off his glasses: Clark: "I don't know why I did that". Lois: "Maybe you did not want to do it with your mind.......but maybe you wanted to do it with your heart". IMHO.....made the relationship much more believable and layered.....so when the time came for Supes to be depowered.....it was more acceptable to Lois that she was truly in love with the guy .....as opposed to what he was(Supes). In fact this point is re-inforced just after the depowering is finished: Lois: "You did all that for me?......I don't know what to say". Clark: "Just say you love me" Lois hugs him. Beautiful recitation from the actors and great directing from Lester. Cinematography looks fantastic too.....more so in 4K. So Lois was ultimately in love with the man because of the sacrifice he made(in giving up his powers). That was a clear break from Mank's rather monolithic and one dimensional charade in his script,where Lois kept pissing all over Clark....whilst being head over heals in love with Supes. It worked for STM.....but had it continued in that vain in SII, had Donner been allowed to finish, it would not have been believable that Lois could point blank accept a depowered Clark as the guy she was always in love with. Lester, having had far more experience with romance in his movie repetoire, than Donner(unless Donner tackled serious romance in his TV stuff?), by that point in the late 70s , noticed the deficiencies in the Mank script and rectified them. That's why most contemporary critics rated the love story as depicted in the theatrical SII as being better or superior to what was seen in STM. You’re dodging the question. If Lois had rejected Clark right after he gave up his powers for her what would have been his reaction if not punching her?? That’s the only plausible reaction and everyone on this forum would have done the same. "What?........you'd hit a woman!"  |
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Post by crown on Jun 27, 2023 18:12:23 GMT -5
You’re dodging the question. If Lois had rejected Clark right after he gave up his powers for her what would have been his reaction if not punching her?? That’s the only plausible reaction and everyone on this forum would have done the same. "What?........you'd hit a woman!" You would never hit a women unless it was this one unique circumstance. Name a believable reaction from Clark of not punching Lois. You can’t because it doesn’t exist. |
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Post by dejan on Jun 27, 2023 19:58:57 GMT -5
"What?........you'd hit a woman!" You would never hit a women unless it was this one unique circumstance. Name a believable reaction from Clark of not punching Lois. You can’t because it doesn’t exist. Clark/Superman/Kalel had a high threshold for not hitting women.....look at how he refused to hit Ursa , despite numerous provocations: She called out his name ,providing a distraction so as to allow Non to get a thump in. She tried to bash him with a flagpole. She threw a manhole into his midrif. She then threw a bus at him. She(along with Zod and Non) tried to fry him with her laser beam from her finger. She even had the audacity to try a karate kick at his Super hologram. Jeez....what more do ya need! Despite all those temptations, Clark held back like a true gentleman.....he allowed Lois to punch Ursa instead. True class. |
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Post by crown on Jun 27, 2023 22:37:49 GMT -5
You would never hit a women unless it was this one unique circumstance. Name a believable reaction from Clark of not punching Lois. You can’t because it doesn’t exist. Clark/Superman/Kalel had a high threshold for not hitting women.....look at how he refused to hit Ursa , despite numerous provocations: She called out his name ,providing a distraction so as to allow Non to get a thump in. She tried to bash him with a flagpole. She threw a manhole into his midrif. She then threw a bus at him. She(along with Zod and Non) tried to fry him with her laser beam from her finger. She even had the audacity to try a karate kick at his Super hologram. Jeez....what more do ya need! Despite all those temptations, Clark held back like a true gentleman.....he allowed Lois to punch Ursa instead. True class. Then what would Clarks reaction have been had Lois dumped him after the depower? |
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Post by dejan on Jun 28, 2023 1:46:30 GMT -5
Clark/Superman/Kalel had a high threshold for not hitting women.....look at how he refused to hit Ursa , despite numerous provocations: She called out his name ,providing a distraction so as to allow Non to get a thump in. She tried to bash him with a flagpole. She threw a manhole into his midrif. She then threw a bus at him. She(along with Zod and Non) tried to fry him with her laser beam from her finger. She even had the audacity to try a karate kick at his Super hologram. Jeez....what more do ya need! Despite all those temptations, Clark held back like a true gentleman.....he allowed Lois to punch Ursa instead. True class. Then what would Clarks reaction have been had Lois dumped him after the depower? Clark's reaction would be: "Lois........I don't know what to say" |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jun 28, 2023 2:06:43 GMT -5
My opinion is superior to most contemporary critics, though. With all due respect, I'll respect our differing views, but it's silly to bring in strangers to this conversation. Critics are people who are no more or less critical than us. It's not as if they're superhuman, yeh? |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jun 28, 2023 2:07:47 GMT -5
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Post by dejan on Jun 28, 2023 2:12:44 GMT -5
My opinion is superior to most contemporary critics, though. With all due respect, I'll respect our differing views, but it's silly to bring in strangers to this conversation. Critics are people who are no more or less critical than us. It's not as if they're superhuman, yeh? hehe! If there were any critics who loved Superman IV back in the day.........i'll just have to kill them! |
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Post by crown on Jun 28, 2023 2:45:35 GMT -5
Then what would Clarks reaction have been had Lois dumped him after the depower? Clark's reaction would be: "Lois........I don't know what to say" So after giving up his powers for Lois only to be unceremoniously dumped right after when Lois could have done it BEFOREHAND… Clark wouldn’t go into an uncontrollable rage? Wouldn’t you have punched Lois if you were in Clarks position? |
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Post by dejan on Jun 28, 2023 3:24:28 GMT -5
Clark's reaction would be: "Lois........I don't know what to say" So after giving up his powers for Lois only to be unceremoniously dumped right after when Lois could have done it BEFOREHAND… Clark wouldn’t go into an uncontrollable rage? Wouldn’t you have punched Lois if you were in Clarks position? Maybe Clark would say: "I can give as good as I get"......and headbutt Lois in the chest.....into a resevoir of acid. Hey..it's just a hyothesis. |
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Post by crown on Jun 28, 2023 3:43:45 GMT -5
So after giving up his powers for Lois only to be unceremoniously dumped right after when Lois could have done it BEFOREHAND… Clark wouldn’t go into an uncontrollable rage? Wouldn’t you have punched Lois if you were in Clarks position? Maybe Clark would say: "I can give as good as I get"......and headbutt Lois in the chest.....into a resevoir of acid. Hey..it's just a hyothesis. Maybe it was for the best that Clark didn’t punch Lois. Once Clark punched Lois, then what? You’d have a powerless Clark, and Lois with a bloody nose stuck at the fortress and it would be awkward af. Clark and Lois would begin to freeze to death and maybe have to share the remains of the soufflé to keep warm. Then Clark would try to figure out a way to get out of the fortress to call for help (as he’s no longer able to simply fly out) and would trip and fall face first into a pile of poop (from when MS Tesmacher “found” the bathroom earlier). |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jun 28, 2023 21:22:13 GMT -5
My opinion is superior to most contemporary critics, though. With all due respect, I'll respect our differing views, but it's silly to bring in strangers to this conversation. Critics are people who are no more or less critical than us. It's not as if they're superhuman, yeh? hehe! If there were any critics who loved Superman IV back in the day.........i'll just have to kill them! Lol! By the way.... to my suprise, it DID get a good review in my local newspaper! (I didn't save it, though.) I do wonder if Reeve (or Furie) was ever aware of this... |
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Post by dejan on Jun 29, 2023 21:04:13 GMT -5
And.... Richard Donner is better.  |
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Post by dejan on Jun 29, 2023 21:14:01 GMT -5
hehe! If there were any critics who loved Superman IV back in the day.........i'll just have to kill them! Lol! By the way.... to my suprise, it DID get a good review in my local newspaper! (I didn't save it, though.) I do wonder if Reeve (or Furie) was ever aware of this...  |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jun 29, 2023 22:11:57 GMT -5
Lol!
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Post by crown on Jul 1, 2023 13:14:54 GMT -5
And.... Richard Donner is better. Do you actually believe that Lesters Superman II is better than Donners Superman II had he been allowed to complete it? Because well, if that’s you’re opinion then imma knock you into a vat of acid and throw a bunch of tires around you. |
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Post by dejan on Jul 1, 2023 19:42:10 GMT -5
Do you actually believe that Lesters Superman II is better than Donners Superman II had he been allowed to complete it? Because well, if that’s you’re opinion then imma knock you into a vat of acid and throw a bunch of tires around you. "You always wanted Donner's SII to fly, Crown." "Well now's it's chance!" (Hurls Donner Cut DVD into the Lester Compressor) |
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Post by crown on Jul 2, 2023 0:06:07 GMT -5
Do you actually believe that Lesters Superman II is better than Donners Superman II had he been allowed to complete it? Because well, if that’s you’re opinion then imma knock you into a vat of acid and throw a bunch of tires around you. "You always wanted Donner's SII to fly, Crown." "Well now's it's chance!" (Hurls Donner Cut DVD into the Lester Compressor) Jumps out of trash compactor and strangles Lester II. Stands and triumphantly opens shirt to reveal Donner's SII! Flies out of the junkyard with the John Williams music roaring and undoes Rat Lois, Parody Planet-Houston Zod, and Guy talking on knocked over phone booth. CAM: "Would you look at that!" Flies past CAM and waves at him! Dejan: So you finally showed your true colors! |
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