Reboot or not..what villains and why for new films

[crazy_asian_man]

This idea gets thrown in now and then, (and feel free to collapse this, if this is already a thread), but - unless this is too repetitive/mentioned too much, thought why not make it an official thread:

Whether there's a reboot (hopefully not) or is, what 4 or 5 villains would you like to see if there are consecutive 4 or 5 Superman films? And/or least wanted- Why?

Aside from Luthor...
MOST WANTED-
#1: Phantom Zone Criminals (Either in or out of CGI)
#2: Brainiac
#3: New Gods/Darkseid (eventually)
#4: Metallo (if you could upgrade him somehow)
#5: Parasite (same)

LEAST WANTED-
#1: Generic human villain who we've never seen in the comics
#2: Generic meteor freak of the week
#3: Miss Teschmacher
#4: Lana Lang in black leather and mysterious martial arts skills
#5: An evil real estate agent in cahoots with Lex

[Metallo]

I think they can put the Zoners to bed. I dunno what a reboot could do with them thats better than STM or SII.

First film in a reboot or a SR sequel it SHOULD be Brainiac. He was planned for SIII. He was planed for Superman The New Movie. He was planned for Superman Lives. He's been waiting in the wings for 25 years. Its most definitely his time

I could see Metallo or Parasite as the B villains or the hired muscle.

Perhaps save Darkseid for a final film.

[Jimbo]

Smallville already beat them to the punch regarding the Phantom Zone and Zod.

Having concurrent Fortresses of Solitude are one thing, but having the same villain on movie and TV within a couple years is a bad idea.

For "LEAST WANTED" you forgot to include "Black comedian playing a bum turned computer genius."

[fggafagas]

Well I'm for using the villain appropriate for the story that's being told. I would tie villains such as Metallo and Parasite into a plot involving maybe stealing the crystals and gaining advanced scientific knowledge from them. In a realistic, Donner-style world, superpowered villains aren't going to just start randomly springing up just when Superman needs someone to punch. There has to be a reason that a scientist can build a cyborg like Metallo.

[Deleted]

I like the Smallville concept of Brainiac, but if executed a bit better, it would be great movie fodder. Still someone that Superman would have to beat in the mind-over-muscle arena, but an entity that would allow for a few fight scenes.

If cast right, you could get great performance. One of my favorite new villains so far has been Bridges as Stane in Iron Man. I fucking loved his performance. I'll go out on a limb and shoot for Michael Douglas or Tom Hanks. How about Gary Sinise?

Other than that, I'd have Luthor create the Corbin/Metallo character, then quickly take a back seat through the rest of the film.

[crazy_asian_man]

I don't know how well received this would be by Supes-movie only fans, but since some of these have origins in the Silver Age comix--

For good villains with previous connections to Supes & Krypton-

* A modification of Daxam (the planet that had some mild connections to Krypton- sorta... where the inhabitants would have the same powers as Supes on earth) and Mon-el? (who, in the old comics, was directed to earth by Jor-el decades before, but then encountered a young Clark)

The movies always hinted at Krypton having had a long history of interplanetary war (I believe it was spoken by Brando on baby Kal-el's journey to earth) before its last state..... couldn't one of these planets then eventually find earth?

I doubt anyone is crazy about a human villain (outside of Luthor)- and I question whether or not magic will ever be introduced (in the comics, Mordru was used)... so the villain (s) - to be a match- would either have to be:

#1: Created through superior (alien?) technology on earth
#2: Come from another planet (hopefully with some prior history with Krypton)
#3: Come from Superman's dna (Though I'm done with clones- do we need Bizarro or more Nuclear Men?)
#4: ough.... meteor rocks.... (don't get me started)
#5: Come from Krypton somehow in the past (prior survivors either via Kandor or just survivors who left the planet decades before it exploded and kept on ticking)

Are there other viable possibilities out there, that you feel would still feel more/less fit 'within the legend'?

[Jimbo]

Dec 5, 2008 15:00:20 GMT -5 crazy_asian_man said:

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[Legsy]

Brainiac!

Brainiac!

Brainiac!

[crazy_asian_man]

I think your post died.

Well.. it wouldn't be the first time I posted something less than riveting.

[Legsy]

LOL! ;D

[Jimbo]

Let's just screw with the space/time continuum and bring in James Marsters from Smallville to play Brainiac in a Routh movie.

It would make heads explode, but I'd enjoy it. ;D

[Legsy]

Marsters is the perfect Brainiac.

[SupermanUF]

BIZARRO.

Bizarro has always been my favorite Supes villain... I've always loved the "evil twin" concept... from Fakor in He-Man to Slash in Ninja Turtles.

If done correctly, he can be both horrifying and sympathetic.

[Kirok]

Brainiac.

His origin should be heavily influenced by S:TAS.

He would have come to Earth after detecting a Kryptonian presence in New Krypton.

Hugo Weaving would make an excellent Brainiac. He's done the evil artificial intelligence before, and has shown he's capable of a great performance even when his face is never seen (which it most likely would not be as Brainiac).

That's my two cents, assuming we get a sequel in the SR-continuity of course.

[Jimbo]

To add to what I said before, Brainiac is definitely the way to go. It's pretty sad that throughout the past 30 years, Lex Luthor has been the only villain (well, real one anyway) to appear in the movies.

Including Brainiac would be a great tie-in to the deleted SR footage. MAV alluded to this in the past. Have Brainiac at the Krypton ruins, then have it hitch a ride with Kal-El on the way back to Earth. Kal-El was weakened when he returned to Earth. Explain why that was so. Perhaps they could even tie New Krypton into it. It would also give a good excuse to introduce the extended cut of SR.

If we can have an 188 minute cut of STM, and enough S2 footage to fill almost the same amount, then we should definitely have a 3-hour Superman Returns.

[Legsy]

Weaving is such a great choice. That would be awesome. He'd have to stay for a possible third movie. You can't get rid of Brainy just like that. He's been on Smallville for the past three years! He's the villain that just keeps coming back!

[Jimbo]

Much better than Tempus on Lois and Clark. ;D

[Legsy]

Don't remind me.

[Jor-L5150]

good thread-

1) brainiac - there are so many versions to choose- but i agree that the STAS version should be a factor , it actually dovetails with the smallville version in a lot of ways. but if brainiac does not present a physical threat , the METALLO or parasite must be his hired muscle to soften up superman and cause some property damage.

2) darksied - hard to do properly in one film- NEEDS a build-up , like SR:II involving intergang and maybe a throw-down with kalibak at the end , with a cliffhanger reveal of darksied as villain for SR:III . i'm all for it. darksied is powerful enough to destroy superman . it'd be intense.

3) bizzaro - never liked thisidea for a film. its too ...risky...a retarded superman..? yeah- thats menacing... .

of course if it was like the evil-clone the superman/doomsday cartoon that could work , except he'd be COOLER than the real superman so i dunno....

iof course after TDK - i geuss it COULD happen , but the idea of a bizzaro actually being a monster who actually created a sense of menace , a sense of dread and mayhem... i just dont think anyone attached to WB can do it. it would seem derivative of HULK.

frankly , evil supes from S:III was a better way to go , and nuclear man was about the same as bizzaro ( an imperfect clone made by luthor ) so its effectively been done.

4) metallo - would have to be seriously reimagined to be a threat. he is a numnutz in the comics, but S:TAS made him lethal and serious. better off as an auxillary villain. maybe in a precredits sequence like a bond flick.

5) parasite - COULD be a downright scary villain , especially the byrne-version. but a more horror-type of villain . i doubt it. he actually isnt that interesting imo.

6) ZOD . lets wait a few movies ok- ?? in the mythos zod is the anti-christ so it should be th elast film of the series .

its a given that lex will be in S:MOS , so i geuss he will be responsible for bringing/exploiting brainiac to earth. its already souding like the plot of SII. ( i say this because spacey is signed fo it )

[Jimbo]

Gus Gorman - played by Chris Rock.

[Jor-L5150]

Dec 5, 2008 19:05:49 GMT -5 Jimbo said:

Gus Gorman - played by Chris Rock.

ha! i was going to be close enough with tim burton's jimmy olsen.

[Jor-L5150]

Dec 5, 2008 19:05:49 GMT -5 Jimbo said:

Gus Gorman - played by Chris Rock.

well, they got marlon brando from STM to appear in SR , so maybe they can superimpose pryor from SIII and insert him in S:MOS where he is hired by kevin spacey to create a computer that can kill superman ....

[fggafagas]

Dec 5, 2008 18:22:28 GMT -5 Jimbo said:

To add to what I said before, Brainiac is definitely the way to go. It's pretty sad that throughout the past 30 years, Lex Luthor has been the only villain (well, real one anyway) to appear in the movies.

Zod is a real villain though, he existed before the movies, and Ursa is possibly based on Faora.

[Jimbo]

Oh ok, I forgot he existed prior to the movies.

[crazy_asian_man]

Oh ok, I forgot he existed prior to the movies.

It's easy to forget, they weren't as memorable in the old comix (pre-Donner comix) as Brainiac and Luthor.

Also... and I know I"ve said it before, but it's really sad/amazing that for a history of 50+ years of Superman comix, that the comic writers/artists haven't been able to create more than just a couple of really memorable villains that really stick in the consciousness- as opposed to, say, Batman's, Spiderman's, and Flash's vilains.

With Superman, it seems like it's been hard for the comix to have a villain that really feels like part of the hero's destiny to fight, but could be 'larger enough in life'- to not seem like a petty thug not really worthy of Superman(which is part of my problem with Metallo as a villain).