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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2012 13:11:24 GMT -5
So, after all this time, who's reading what still?
I'm going with the following:
1. Animal Man - My favorite out of all of them. 2. Swamp Thing - My next favorite. 3. TMNT - Just fantastic. 4. Action Comics - Quite good. 5. The Flash - Slightly hit and miss but still overall good. 6. Superman - I can't wait for Jurgens! 7. Justice League - I think it's fun. But I don't know if I'll stick with it.
I need to read all of Wonder Woman, I'm behind on that, but once I get caught up, I will decide if I want it, too. I have a feeling I won't. I enjoyed Hawkman, Aquaman and Wonder Woman, but not enough to stick with them.
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Post by Valentine Smith on Mar 16, 2012 13:15:14 GMT -5
The only DC books I'm sticking with right now are:
Action (I trust in Grant) Superman (can only get better, right?) Flash (probably the most consistently good of all of them) Justice League (I truly hate this comic, but I figure it'll get better. And I wanna see the new Shazam stuff)
When Batman Inc starts up again in May, I'll buy that, although I don't really consider it a New 52 book. I still see Batman Inc as part of the old DCU.
I'll probably give Earth-2 a shot as well.
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Post by cypher85 on Mar 16, 2012 13:25:57 GMT -5
So I'm still reading:
DC Books
Action Comics:Really enjoying, but Grant is going down his crazy road. Haven't read issue 7 yet. He needs to reign in the obscurity a little bit.
Superman:Enjoyed issue #1, garbage ever since. Giffen and Jurgens better do a good job, or this is going the way of the dodo.
Justice League International:Not the best, but it's still Jurgens and Booster Gold. And I needs me some Booster
Green Lantern:Meh for the most part, but still moderately enjoyable.
Justice League:Enjoyable to too little actual content. It looks gorgeous but takes about 2.5 minutes to read.
Animal Man:Loving, Loving, Loving this. Like nothing else I'm reading.
Non-DC
TMNT: Loving this (see TMNT thread)
Ghostbusters: Loving this too, I'm surprised that I actually dig the cartoony style...but I do. And it's pretty well written IMO.
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Post by ShogunLogan on Mar 18, 2012 12:01:49 GMT -5
I'm not reading any DC anymore...I gave it 3-6 issues. Just didn't hold my interest anymore. For me, it was actually Aquaman that made it 6 issues.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 25, 2012 18:47:52 GMT -5
Animal Man's current writer Jeff Lemire has a great blog--- it mentions how the Jaime Delano run of Animal man is/was actually his inspiration--- (and is by far my favorite run next to Milligan's then Morrison's--- even though they built upon his).
I'm waiting for the tpb myself, (I checked out with issue #2, as it seemed a little too weird) but to me that blurb and word-of-mouth makes me more interested to go back and check this out.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2012 1:19:45 GMT -5
It's my favorite thus far. Animal Man is such a great character, I can't believe I never really knew much about him until this year. His current New 52 run is just INCREDIBLE. I'd challenge anyone who thinks comic books are for kids or losers to read that poop and think the same afterwards.
Well, no, probably not. Most people are idiots.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Mar 26, 2012 4:05:30 GMT -5
The funny thing is, I thought he was a neat character WAYYY back when (before the jacket).... but I never picked up the comic until a friend of mine highly reccomended Grant Morrison's first run--- I jumped in the middle of it, and enjoyed the wackiness and humanity of it- then was suprised that immediately afterwards, Peter Milligan took over--- and took Morrison's insanity even FURTHER--- and he throws so many balls in the air, that you think, "How the heck is this going to make any sense at the end"--- but, oddly, it DOES.... and then right after that- Jaime Delano goes INCREDIBLY dark (aided by Steve Pugh's equally disturbing art) but gripping.... but towards the end of Delano's run, it goes a LITTLE too far for my taste- (it feels like Delano wanted to put a true ending on it, but since the series was continuing, it doesn't end on a note I was satisfied with) but then another writer takes over--- and it's crap.
But..... to start with Morrison, continue with Milligan, and then to Delano is a REALLY great stroke of luck for the series to have such great writers one after another on a series.
((An aside if you hunt out old Animal Man stuff- For sure, though, I'd avoid the "Death of Animal Man" series. Horribly written and pointless. "Death of Superman" it's NOT.))
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Post by Valentine Smith on Jun 6, 2012 21:10:38 GMT -5
Well, I gotta say. I'm impressed. I only buy a few of these books, but ALL of them are showing HUGE improvement with the start of their 2nd story arcs now. It's starting to feel like the DC Universe again.
ACTION: Was always good, but it felt a little "everything but the kitchen sink" in that first arc. However, these latest two issues have been interesting and original now that all the preamble is out of the way.
SUPERMAN: Still not great, but the art and coloring have improved, as has the writing. I'll stick with it.
FLASH: Always liked this, but felt the first arc kinda dragged. Now we're into the proper Rogues stuff, and it feels like a Flash book. And Manapul's art is worth the price of admission.
JUSTICE LEAGUE: As much as I LOATHED that first arc, the first couple of issues of this new arc seem more on-track. I'm hanging around.
EARTH-2: First issue didn't wow me, but the 2nd issue almost did. And the art is stunning. I'm gonna stick with this one, too.
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Post by Jor-L5150 on Jun 7, 2012 19:07:00 GMT -5
can't say i'm surprised, pretty much how i thought it'd be, and with "green lantern is magnificent" there'll be another slight uptick, then flattening, just in time for the next stunt. we can all wager on what said stunt will be. ComiksDebris have published a very detailed analysis of DC Comics sales, looking back over the years to see how DC's "New 52" stacks up in comparison since its launch in September 2011. So, in the grander scheme of things, DC's current numbers are solid, if not spectacular. Viewed over the 110 months we have consistent data on, April 2012 is No. 63 in average DC Universe unit sales, No. 34 in total DC Universe unit sales and No. 30 in total DCU dollar sales. Compared with DC's boom period from about 2005 through 2007, these numbers are low, but they hold up well against weaker years like 2003 or the first half of 2011. All told, the "New 52" seems to have stabilized DC's sales right in the middle of the spectrum. Whether or not that's good or bad, given the massive logistical and promotional efforts and incentives that went into the "New 52" relaunch (limited returnability, deep discounts, multiple variant-cover editions) is a matter of interpretation. The good news is that DC managed to boost and stabilize its line after a very tough couple of years. The bad news is that DC took its best shot and it bought them a reset to 2010, basically./i]
now- look at the following blog post: Comments #1 | Certainshades on June 5, 2012 9:17pm EST Actually...no...there is a doubt that they are ahead. Because you are forgetting to factor in all of the money that they dropped on marketing and advertising.
DC spent a buttload of money promoting the new 52. We don't have the raw numbers and we probably never will because that is not something that the company is ever going to really tell is. They aren't going to volunteer that information.
But that's the wildcard here that people keep forgetting.
DC spent a lot of money on marketing and advertising for the relaunch in September. So they were not just going to be gaining profits right away from the sales of the relaunch. They were going to have to recoup all the money they spent on building the relaunch and promoting it.
The PR machine for the new 52 did not come cheap. It was the most marketing and advertising that the company had done in YEARS. And it cost them a fortune.
Now, you can talk about the books being a more solid ground than they were a few years ago but you can't really talk about that without taking into consideration what the company put out in order to reach their current profit margin.
This is business 101. Unless the company managed to make a profit from all of the money they put into the marketing/PR for the new 52 then it can't be declared a success in any capacity.
Unfortunately, I expect that those numbers will always be kept private. #2 | Steve Younis on June 5, 2012 10:08pm EST Certainshades, the article is referring to sales figures, not profit. #3 | cposul on June 6, 2012 12:51am EST I'Ve been buying mine digitally since the relaunch and had pretty much given up collecting before that, I'm sure I'm not the only one I would love to see the numbers on downloads! #4 | BaronSunday on June 6, 2012 6:05am EST This actually kind of depresses me. I really hated the reboot and the abandoning of the continuity I grew up with, but I shrugged it off by saying at least they're selling more books now... I had my time with it and now it's time for a new generation to fall in love with the characters. And while it's truly impossible to know what percentage of this are new readers, and just as unlikely that we'll see just how much of it before and after are Superman sales, all it shows me is that we went through all that so that DC could sell a ton of copies of Action Comics #1. Because other than that, what this chart shows me is that there hasn't really been a significant boost in sales, except for the period immediately before Flashpoint. They didn't need to reboot to get back to this point, they could have just focused on telling better stories (because really, I'm a BIG fan and even I stopped buying both Grounded and Reign of the Doomsdays EARLY). It just all seems so wasted now. #5 | jensmith on June 6, 2012 11:01am EST I too would love to know DC's return on this investment however, like Steve said, this is about sales.
What I think these figures show was what a lot of people predicted would happen, there would be a spike in sales because of the renumbering and hype and then things would settle back to normal.
Personally, I don't believe Dan DiDio when he said this reboot was planned. I think he saw Flashpoint as an opportunity and ran with it.
DC has been struggling since Countdown. Final Crisis was a mess and then came World of New Krypton and Grounded. Before this reboot Superman hadn't been in Action for 2 years. I'll never understand why, after JMS quit the title, Chris Roberson was forced to write to the Grounded outline instead of bringing Superman back to Metropolis. I would've loved to see Cornell write his Lex & Loisbot arc with Superman in the picture.
The last time Clark Kent was part of the story was during Kurt Busiek's run, and honestly, that's the last time I enjoyed reading.
I'd love to see the numbers on the downloads too, the Smallville book is consistently in the top 5, I'm curious to see how many people are buying it.
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Post by ShogunLogan on Jul 1, 2012 13:25:29 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2012 14:32:18 GMT -5
Whaaa?
Really? Hmmm....
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Post by Valentine Smith on Jul 1, 2012 21:33:25 GMT -5
Yeah, I got some decent cash for my Batman stuff. I'm gonna hold on to all of my Action Comics single issues at least until the trade is out, and probably until closer to the movie release.
My rule right now is, if it's been collected, and I know I can score it cheap either at a con or on Amazon, and I can sell the single issues for more than the cost of the trade, well...adios!
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Post by Paul (ral) on Jul 2, 2012 5:17:14 GMT -5
Yep, Batman #1 is going for £13 alone on eBay in the UK. I wish I hadn't given my duplicates to my 2 year old now!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2012 18:24:57 GMT -5
Christ. I think I need to sell all my new 52 stuff on ebay. I don't think I'm retaining anything. Nothing's doing for me. Nothing. I give up. Sticking with old stuff. That's okay. I've only got about sixty fracking years to go through.
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Post by Valentine Smith on Jul 2, 2012 19:25:46 GMT -5
Just flip that PayPal goodness into more comics! It's like you're not even spending any money!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2012 3:19:52 GMT -5
I bought the first two floppies of Action and Superman, then got bored.
Nearly a year later, I'm buying Action for a buck cheaper each via Comixology just to read them for the heck of it. I may start back Superman, but I'm on the fence as there are other titles I want to read (and I'm on a welfare budget).
So, I'm down to Action, Smallville, Ghostbusters, The Shadow, and I've started Masters of the Universe (new DC version).
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Post by Valentine Smith on Jul 8, 2012 18:31:24 GMT -5
Skip Superman, but stick with Action.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2012 3:08:14 GMT -5
Well, I might be off of Action after Morrison is gone. Superman, well, I'm about to be done with. It's just so ... not worth the money.
So, that leaves me with Action (for a while), Ghostbusters, The Shadow (whenever Ennis gets around to doing them), and Masters of the Universe.
Are any of the Bat books worth picking up?
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Post by Valentine Smith on Jul 25, 2012 7:02:32 GMT -5
I hear that Scott Snyder's main Batman title is brilliant.
Justice League has improved dramatically. The new arc/new villain is quite good.
Flash remains my favorite of all of this stuff. And it's getting better now that they're focusing on the rogues.
Earth 2 has been excellent.
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Post by cypher85 on Jul 25, 2012 7:43:43 GMT -5
yeah, earth 2 is much better than I expected. And it's the only 0 issue that I am actually looking forward to. Seeing more of earth 2 superman should be pretty cool.
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Post by Valentine Smith on Jul 25, 2012 7:48:05 GMT -5
Actually, I may pick up more of the zero issues than books I regularly buy. It's gonna straighten out so much about the new DCU and I'm really curious how it's gonna go.
Very curious about Batgirl, Robin, Snyder's Batman, Green Arrow, and Hawkman.
Obviously, I'll be getting Action, Superman, Earth 2, JL, Flash (which also looks great), etc.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2012 8:42:41 GMT -5
I was most curious about Batman & Robin, or Red Hood.
What would be better to read? The New 52 B&R or the old continuity B&R? I've seen some paperback volumes of the old title on Amazon for cheap.
Saw Jim Lee's sketch of Superman Earth 2, and I like that costume better than what he gave us last year with the New 52 reboot.
I also want to read Superman Earth One and Batman Earth One, but I can't find them on Comixology. Amazon has a deal to get both in hardback for $25.
Also, Amazon has a release date of Aug. 7 for the first vol. of Action. Since I went digital with those and enjoy the story so much, I may pick up the collected edition to keep in the library.
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Post by cypher85 on Jul 25, 2012 8:45:38 GMT -5
Superman Earth one gets dogged on quite a bit, but I really really enjoyed it. All except for emo clarks outfit at the very very end. Vol 2 is coming out Oct 31st. Hopefully that is just as good. I think Shane Davis is an excellent artist.
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Post by Valentine Smith on Jul 25, 2012 9:46:17 GMT -5
He is, but I can't stand JMS's writing. He's a hack.
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Post by cypher85 on Jul 25, 2012 18:31:41 GMT -5
I havent read much by him, or seen any of the shows he has worked on. Just Superman : grounded (awful), and earth one (excellent IMO)
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