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Post by Metallo on Sept 4, 2016 8:45:35 GMT -5
I'm sorry, he reminds me of a cosplayer. In his defense, I've never seen this guy act (that I know of), and I remember I wasn't thrilled with Dean Cain when I first saw him and I ended up really enjoying Cain's performance. I also had strong doubts about Daniel Craig as Bond (like a lot of people) and he ended up being phenomenal. I wish the TV and movie universes had the same actors, but then the DC films are ending up being such creative disasters that I guess it's probably a good thing. You saw him act in Road to Perdition when he was a kid but that was ages ago. Not really the same. Funny enough Daniel Craig was also in Road to Perdition. Anyway...I feel the same way you do. He's the very definition of a tv Superman in the worst possible way. A lot of these guys and girls are. I was watching Legends recently and kept thinking "Hawkman and Jonah Hex are dime a dozen CW model type tv actors. They could t have done better?" While some of the others like the actors who play Marrian Manhunter, Supergirl, and even Flash impress me a little bit more. Hoechlin falls in the former catagory for me. Like you said though he could end up great. I felt like even Cain had a better look but he was also not very Supermanish to me. Jimmy Olsen should not be bigger than superman. But like you said I wish the tv shows and movies were connected but the tv shows are doing better work so I'm glad the movies aren't dragging them down. Matt Ryan was a better John Constantine than Keanu and he will probably still be better than whoever they pick for the new movie. A potential tv JL is looking a lot more impressive than the movie Justice league.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Sept 4, 2016 13:07:22 GMT -5
I don't know if Dean Cain is a great actor or not, but he comes off as a nice guy in real life- and that came across in Lois and Clark --- and very much so in interviews. That he came to Hwood to be either a writer or an actor I find interesting, he was willing to 'share the wealth' of screen time on Lois and Clark for other stories with the rest of the ensemble. I remember hearing from folks who knew folks on that set that everybody in the crew loved Cain.
Hatcher... uh, different story.
And, yeah.... I like that actor, I don't mind him being Kara's love interest... but JIMMY OLSEN IS NOT A COOL GUY WHO'S TALLER THAN SUPERMAN!!!! Ugh!
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Post by Metallo on Sept 4, 2016 21:14:00 GMT -5
I like that Cain at least had a personality as Superman...unlike Cavill. His Clark and superman were likable. What's really cool to me is that Cain is a good sport and has a sense of humor about it all.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Sept 5, 2016 10:59:47 GMT -5
I like that Cain at least had apersonality...unlike Cavill. His Clark and superman were likable. What's really cool to me is that Cain is a good sport and has a sense of humor about it all. The convention panel with Cain and Routh posted here years ago was awesome. Some actors seem extremely uncomfortable at conventions- but Cain seemed pretty open and NOT 'Hollywood'. On the flip side, I also saw Cain on "Comic Book Men" and the 'special gift' that store gave of a $30 store gift certificate (or something similar) was a bit cringeworthy to me. Not for Cain's behavior, but Smith's store. (But it's not the first cringe-worthy behavior from that manager on that show.)
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Post by Metallo on Sept 5, 2016 12:03:49 GMT -5
I don't think he is very Hollywood. For one thing he seems more openly conservative than most Hollywood actors. I know he and Kevin Sorbo are friends and he is the same way.
How'd they come off on Comic Book Men? The show is staged of course so I imagine they were playing up for the cameras. The guys on there seem kind of douchey but again I just assumed that was played up for the cameras.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Sept 5, 2016 14:20:21 GMT -5
I don't think he is very Hollywood. For one thing he seems more openly conservative than most Hollywood actors. I know he and Kevin Sorbo are friends and he is the same way. How'd they come off on Comic Book Men? The show is staged of course so I imagine they were playing up for the cameras. The guys on there seem kind of douchey but again I just assumed that was played up for the cameras. Cain seemed great, but considering how much money Smith pulled in on his movies, if they really were impressed with Cain coming to the comic shop, I doubt the gift certificate covered the cost of gas for Cain. (He might have been paid outside of it... maybe... but the look on his face while receiving it looked a bit like a forced smile.)
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Post by Metallo on Sept 10, 2016 19:11:31 GMT -5
It's all staged so either way I'm sure that smile was acting. I need to watch that episode. I like the show even though the guys are kinda douchy and certain situations are so poorly and blatantly scripted.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Sept 20, 2016 12:00:21 GMT -5
Have to admit, this promo looks pretty exciting... www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvzqZKYqQX0Love the shot from behind of Supes doing a run/flyup. When the old B&W Reeve flew, it was usually a 'springboard leap' that I missed a bit when we got the Donner Supes- who just leans back, then flies up. They had this a bit with the SG pilot- neat to see it with Supes- think it's the first shot of its kind (at least with this angle).
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Post by booshman on Sept 21, 2016 3:42:39 GMT -5
I'm not really feeling it. I'm glad they went with a running start, but the immediate jump to super speed renders it pointless. If you start the clip ant the 9 second mark, he basically does a MOS standing start. Give him a few seconds on wires going normal speed and then speed off, and it would look much better. The way it is, the join between live action and CG is as apparent as the transition from Kirk Alyn to his cartoon counterpart in the serials. The frustrating thing is that they already did somethign similar to better effect in the pilot eopisode before Kara saved the plane.
Shame they didn't take this new start as an opportunity to unburden the show of Cat Grant. I hoped they might not be able to afford her, but it looks like not only is she back, but they brought her face blurring technology with her too.
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Post by atp on Sept 21, 2016 6:36:18 GMT -5
I'm also getting sick of these superspeed takeoffs. They look fake and have none of the grace that they should have.
Also getting tired of seeing the ground crack and shatter on takeoffs. And same goes for seeing particles of sand and stones swirling around.
All that c.rap needs to go away already. Save that for Ironman.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Sept 21, 2016 10:27:40 GMT -5
Shame they didn't take this new start as an opportunity to unburden the show of Cat Grant. I hoped they might not be able to afford her, but it looks like not only is she back, but they brought her face blurring technology with her too. With each Berlianti show, there's always a character that annoys (Felicity on Arrow, as an example). I imagine they kept Grant to be a counterpart to Perry White and give the gal who plays Supergirl the chance to 'fake' quiver with fear now and then. But, yeah, it's not what I tune in for. Funny you mention the face blurring tech. I thought I was imagining it.
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Post by Metallo on Sept 22, 2016 15:29:49 GMT -5
I'm not really feeling it. I'm glad they went with a running start, but the immediate jump to super speed renders it pointless. If you start the clip ant the 9 second mark, he basically does a MOS standing start. Give him a few seconds on wires going normal speed and then speed off, and it would look much better. The way it is, the join between live action and CG is as apparent as the transition from Kirk Alyn to his cartoon counterpart in the serials. The frustrating thing is that they already did somethign similar to better effect in the pilot eopisode before Kara saved the plane. Shame they didn't take this new start as an opportunity to unburden the show of Cat Grant. I hoped they might not be able to afford her, but it looks like not only is she back, but they brought her face blurring technology with her too. Could be worse. Could be the full blown MOS style overblown bs landings and take offs all the time. I liked the two promos for season 2. The Supergirl/Superman one was a little over dramatic but otherwise I thought it all looked good. To give Supergirl credit they do have a mix of take offs. The more traditional ones and the man of steel style ones. And I prefer the traditional ones to the ground busting man of steel ones all be time. They are OK sometimes but Snyder has no variety. They do try to mix wire take offs and flying with the cgi ones too. We are lucky to see any wire work on this show considering what they're doing with the movies. I think we should all accept that in the digital age the days of the level of Reeve era style wire work is over. More and more of this stuff is done digitally. I wish Flash wasn't as digital and more was done practically like on the 1990 series but on tv schedules and budgets with those kinds of effects they aren't going to put that kind of time in. I do wish they had dumped Cat Grant all together. The devil wears Prada gag is so dated and stale. She's not even the comic book Cat Grant and this was the perfect time to do a reset AND save some money. They could have Catco taken over by Morgan Edge or Collin Thornton AND set up the major villian of the season at the same time. Or just have Kara work for one of them at their own companies. If the whole Fort Rozz thing is resolved they will need another evil organization for Supergirl and the DEO to take on. Maybe Cadmus will be that. Felicity is a whole nother problem, CAM. The show runners are clearly shippers for her and Oliver and have fallen in love with her character to the detriment of everything else. Caitlyn Snow is a similar character but they don't ram her down the fans throats. Felicity has in some ways become the new Lana and and even though the writers know some people loathe her they aren't going to let themselves be forced to make changes by a portion of the audience. That's a mistake IMO. They write for the viewers not for themselves.
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Post by Metallo on Sept 22, 2016 15:39:11 GMT -5
I'm also getting sick of these superspeed takeoffs. They look fake and have none of the grace that they should have. Also getting tired of seeing the ground crack and shatter on takeoffs. And same goes for seeing particles of sand and stones swirling around. All that c.rap needs to go away already. Save that for Ironman. What are you talking about? Iron man doesn't fly like that. Do you mean Thor? Iron mans landings are pretty much *hover a couple of feel off the ground, repulsors turn off, and he drops* not enough to shatter the earth. The take offs are like rockets but there's no floating particles of debris. He doesn't negate gravity like in MOS.
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Post by atp on Sept 23, 2016 9:54:36 GMT -5
Iron Man, Thor. Whatever. They're all the same to me.
I'm burned out with superhero films. Nothing has the same magic as the Reeve Superman movies.
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Post by Metallo on Sept 23, 2016 13:04:57 GMT -5
Not really. They're pretty different characters. I've seen a few the last few years that gave me that same feeling. We are at the saturation point though particularly with WB making pure garbage.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Sept 25, 2016 4:54:47 GMT -5
I'm not really feeling it. I'm glad they went with a running start, but the immediate jump to super speed renders it pointless. If you start the clip ant the 9 second mark, he basically does a MOS standing start. Give him a few seconds on wires going normal speed and then speed off, and it would look much better. The way it is, the join between live action and CG is as apparent as the transition from Kirk Alyn to his cartoon counterpart in the serials. The frustrating thing is that they already did somethign similar to better effect in the pilot eopisode before Kara saved the plane. Shame they didn't take this new start as an opportunity to unburden the show of Cat Grant. I hoped they might not be able to afford her, but it looks like not only is she back, but they brought her face blurring technology with her too. Could be worse. Could be the full blown MOS style overblown bs landings and take offs all the time. I liked the two promos for season 2. The Supergirl/Superman one was a little over dramatic but otherwise I thought it all looked good. To give Supergirl credit they do have a mix of take offs. The more traditional ones and the man of steel style ones. And I prefer the traditional ones to the ground busting man of steel ones all be time. They are OK sometimes but Snyder has no variety. They do try to mix wire take offs and flying with the cgi ones too. We are lucky to see any wire work on this show considering what they're doing with the movies. I think we should all accept that in the digital age the days of the level of Reeve era style wire work is over. More and more of this stuff is done digitally. I wish Flash wasn't as digital and more was done practically like on the 1990 series but on tv schedules and budgets with those kinds of effects they aren't going to put that kind of time in. I do wish they had dumped Cat Grant all together. The devil wears Prada gag is so dated and stale. She's not even the comic book Cat Grant and this was the perfect time to do a reset AND save some money. They could have Catco taken over by Morgan Edge or Collin Thornton AND set up the major villian of the season at the same time. Or just have Kara work for one of them at their own companies. If the whole Fort Rozz thing is resolved they will need another evil organization for Supergirl and the DEO to take on. Maybe Cadmus will be that. Felicity is a whole nother problem, CAM. The show runners are clearly shippers for her and Oliver and have fallen in love with her character to the detriment of everything else. Caitlyn Snow is a similar character but they don't ram her down the fans throats. Felicity has in some ways become the new Lana and and even though the writers know some people loathe her they aren't going to let themselves be forced to make changes by a portion of the audience. That's a mistake IMO. They write for the viewers not for themselves. Hence, Berlianti still stays in my 'can never fully embrace this creator' mindset.
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Post by Metallo on Sept 25, 2016 19:04:58 GMT -5
My problem with him is the same problem I have with most of these tv show runner guys. He's trying to become a mini mogul on tv without the level of talent to pull it off. After JJ Abrams had huge sucess doing that others have tried to copy it. Goyers another example. Too many irons in the fire yet none of them are truly fine quality. Just ok to pretty good at best.
Berlanti has shown he finds a formula and sticks with it. You can easily predict everything that's going to happen on his shows and it's pretty off putting. He's not the only one. Goyer. Kinberg. Etc. it's a sign of lacking real depth of talent.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Sept 25, 2016 20:48:03 GMT -5
After seeing the "Blade" tv show.... I have to give Berlianti much higher credit than Goyer. The Blade show had a couple of interesting episodes, but it just slogged on depressingly for so long, it made the movies look like classics.
I think the Ron Moores, Manny Cotos, and Joss Wedons of tv are extremely rare. I guess I should be grateful that Berlianti's shows at least aren't afraid of costumes and comic book elements.
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Post by Metallo on Sept 27, 2016 21:14:33 GMT -5
Supergirl season 2 preview with John Williams music.
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Post by booshman on Sept 28, 2016 9:41:25 GMT -5
Supergirl season 2 preview with John Williams music. Just watched the clip (with the Williams themes),and got all the right kinds of Superman goodness out of it. I then watched the original (set to the Emmerdale theme), and I got nothing. There really is something to be said for score and what a part it plays in how a scene works.
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Post by Metallo on Sept 28, 2016 10:00:12 GMT -5
Yeah. It makes a huge difference. I think that's why some of these newer productions aren't as memorable. It's all very assembly line and formulaic.
Have you ever noticed this one?
I often wonder if stuff like this happens because the composers or show runners uses temp music and like it so much that they decide to copy or or are they just so lazy they knowingly steal lesser known music they think no one will notice.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Sept 28, 2016 22:28:39 GMT -5
Wow. That's sad.... I really LIKED the Justice League theme, too!
Though- to be fair, it's hard to say how much ripping off (in certain cases) are unconscious. James Horner seemed to rip off himself a LOT (Aliens and Wrath of Khan soundtracks particularly).
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Post by Metallo on Sept 28, 2016 23:28:58 GMT -5
Sometimes it is but a lot of times it isn't. Especially when the entire piece of music is so similar and not just a part of it. WB got busted with the controversy over part of the 300 score and had to admit it. There's no way someone involved didn't know full well what they were doing. www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=43965&forumID=1&archive=0I think Snyder fell in love with the temp music and wanted Tyler Bates to come as close as possible to copying it.
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Post by crown on Sept 29, 2016 13:25:55 GMT -5
Tyler Hoechlin can NEVER be Superman because he lacks a masculine name.
Just like Brandon Routh wasn't Superman because he had lacked a masculine name.
Only people with names like George, Chris, and Henry can be the man of steel.
Edit: I gotta admit that plane rescue was 1000x better than in SR!
Also the alley change was 1000X better than the SII shirt rip.
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Post by doomsday1 on Oct 15, 2016 12:45:24 GMT -5
It's incredibly cheesy and some of his dialogue is embarrassing but overall I really like what the guys done, good take on the character in my option.
However he looks like poop. Even getting away from the really crappy suit, facially he just doesn't look all that great, looks a bit small and a bit weedy too
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