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Post by Metallo on Jul 28, 2016 16:06:55 GMT -5
It's a sad day when Supergirls suit looks better than Supermans and the actress playing Supergirl looks more impressive. He's got the new 52 inspired armored boots, a weird mid 90s comic almost attached to the S cape, and the belt needs a buckle. I like how it's red with gold trim but it needs some work. It doesn't help that the dude playing Superman looks like a simp. Hoechlins performance might be good but look wise he's currently the very definition of a "tv Superman" and not in any kind of good way. I'm praying they at least film him on some creative ways that makes him look more impressive. If they fixed the cape, the boots, and put a buckle on the belt the suit would look a little better. I hope they do improve it at some point. It's like DC f.uck.s up half the time they design costumes for tv. I still remember the crappy Wonder Woman costume from 2011 that looked like a cheap stripper outfit. They had to go back and fix that too. The second one was better but still flawed. The news about Supergirls place in the big crossover is very interesting. I said as soon as the news was announced that just getting her involved is a a big deal that will require more effort so her place on it should be very important.
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Post by crown on Jul 28, 2016 22:56:31 GMT -5
He looks almost as bad as Brandon Routh did in SR..... and THAT'S SAYIN' SOMETHING!
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jul 29, 2016 2:09:09 GMT -5
He looks almost as bad as Brandon Routh did in SR..... and THAT'S SAYIN' SOMETHING!He looks terrible. I don't see Superman at all.....but, hopefully in the show, he'll work.
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Post by Metallo on Jul 29, 2016 9:25:39 GMT -5
It looks like a really bad frankensteined Photoshop hackjob for one thing. I've seen that same image of Supergirl in a bunch of promotional photos. I wonder if they just pasted Hoechlins head on a suited mannequin or something?
The first reveal of Routh looked much better than this. He at least filled the suit out and looked like a big guy. It wasn't loaded with lens flares to distract from the pooptyness. Like I said before even Benoist has a more superheroic look than Hoechlin.
This looks like a combination of the worst elements of the Routh and Cavill suits thrown together (along with some New 52 bits). The Supergirl suit comes off the same way but that's a much more sucessful execution of those elements together. The only thing I like a lot about Hoechlins suit is the "S" I'm hoping this is just a really bad photo.
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Post by Metallo on Jul 30, 2016 8:43:03 GMT -5
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jul 30, 2016 17:24:26 GMT -5
Agreed. He looks MUCH better in these photos.... though the bizzare thing is, if they had the freedom & wanted to emulate the Donner films- why not do something daring and return the red shorts? For a promo photo- Supergirl looks great, Superman... not so much.
Last year, Benoist and cast were going to appear at Emerald con- but cancelled when it looked like the show got cancelled. Will be interesting to see if the cast does cons this time out...
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Post by Metallo on Jul 30, 2016 18:08:20 GMT -5
I think Benoist was some of the best casting of the tv universe. Maybe *the* best as far as the heroes go. She has a good physique. She's not stick thin and has some size/curves while still looking feminine. She's got a pretty but not insanely hot girl next door look like Surgirl should too. Physical she looks more right as her character than Hoechlin does as Superman.
Sadly I think the trunks are dead. Not just on Supermans costume but on all superhero costumes. Only way I could see them being used is on comedy characters or big monster/beastly characters.
I don't mind as long as something is there to break up all the blue on Supermans costume. The red belt is good in concept but is almost always lacking when it comes to execution. Hoechlins belt needs some work. The best take on it I've seen is the almost weightlifting belt look used in JLA adventures: trapped in time. It's hard to work a gold buckle into that design though.
The way the cape attaches looks like a sort of middle ground between the way it's done on the new 52 costume and the Injustice costume.
Hoechlins S shield is perfect. It's the classic promotional S. I also notice he's got a little of the wave hairstyle and a hint of a curl with the strands of hair falling across his forehead. It's something that's not there in the first promotional photo released.
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Post by crown on Jul 30, 2016 20:38:18 GMT -5
I seriously agree about Benoist being perfect casting. When I first saw her pic I didn't think she was hotter than Helen Slater... but after seeing a few more I think she probably is. This other guy seriously looks like Damian McLawhorn (Jeremy from SIV). Maybe my idea for a great new ending for SIV wasn't so bad after all?
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jul 31, 2016 18:18:42 GMT -5
I wasn't crazy about the Supergirl casting at first- I still thought Slater was/is the best pick- but in seeing how they were approaching the material (which I think is/was not half bad, outside of making Jimmy Olsen a GQ guy), Benoist owns the character for this generation imo.
For sure, they both give off different qualities. Slater's is more fearless and dives into the fray .... Benoist's version is a cooped-up teen who is trying to rediscover her purpose and more unsure of herself (at least in the beginning).
In any case, I like more than I disliked with season 1. Curious where they go with Season 2.... here's hoping they dump the elements that I disliked (Cat Grant, Olsen, etc.) and embrace more of the comic book elements that are more exciting and stir the imagination.... even with a reduced budget.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jul 31, 2016 18:19:32 GMT -5
Is it just me, or does that new Superman costume seem pretty baggy, compared to MOS and SR? Just a thought...
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Post by Metallo on Aug 3, 2016 10:35:41 GMT -5
I think it's the material. It's not the molded rubbery stuff of mos but it's more textured than SR. I noticed it does seem to bunch up and wrinkle more. Plus Hoechlon doesn't seem to have the mass of Routh or Cavill to fill it out. He's in great shape but the other two guys were bigger.
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Post by Metallo on Aug 3, 2016 10:43:25 GMT -5
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 3, 2016 10:49:52 GMT -5
It's weird... some shots look great, but other shots of Hoechlin as Supes/Clark look really 'off' casting wise.
It'll be interesting to see he works on the show. (And how often he actually appears)
One thing also of interest to me is how much the budget slash will affect the fx.... I got pretty tired of the 'blur' flying/running effect fast on Smallville. Here's hoping things don't go extra cheap here in that dept., too.
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Post by Metallo on Aug 3, 2016 11:15:30 GMT -5
Yeah he's one of those guys that looks great in one shot and not so great in the next. Personally I think he looks more like a Zod type than a Superman. I think it's his longer fave and his nose. Face wise he reminds me of Mark Pajarillo's Superman art. That first pic of him as Clark reminds me of John Netwons Clark for some reason. Maybe it's the clothes.
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Post by Metallo on Aug 3, 2016 14:03:41 GMT -5
I wasn't crazy about the Supergirl casting at first- I still thought Slater was/is the best pick- but in seeing how they were approaching the material (which I think is/was not half bad, outside of making Jimmy Olsen a GQ guy), Benoist owns the character for this generation imo. For sure, they both give off different qualities. Slater's is more fearless and dives into the fray .... Benoist's version is a cooped-up teen who is trying to rediscover her purpose and more unsure of herself (at least in the beginning). In any case, I like more than I disliked with season 1. Curious where they go with Season 2.... here's hoping they dump the elements that I disliked (Cat Grant, Olsen, etc.) and embrace more of the comic book elements that are more exciting and stir the imagination.... even with a reduced budget. To me Slaters Supergirl was younger (high school to college age) and more naive but wholesome and serious while being a completely ignorant to earth customs and society. Benoist's Supergirl is an older (a working 20 something) trying to find her place in the world as a young career woman and a hero but she is more in tune with living on earth. Each Supergirl is a product of their adaptation and the situation they were in. They're looks reflect that too. Benoist is older and has lived on earth for years so they've made her a little sexier and more stylish (darker more styled hair and a darker costume). Slaters Supergirl was more pure. I think where they both hit it is they will immediately stand up for the right thing. They each have a great moral compass. There is no doubt about wanting to do the right thing and even if they aren't sure what the right thing is they aren't going to just stand around.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 4, 2016 0:23:57 GMT -5
I wasn't crazy about the Supergirl casting at first- I still thought Slater was/is the best pick- but in seeing how they were approaching the material (which I think is/was not half bad, outside of making Jimmy Olsen a GQ guy), Benoist owns the character for this generation imo. For sure, they both give off different qualities. Slater's is more fearless and dives into the fray .... Benoist's version is a cooped-up teen who is trying to rediscover her purpose and more unsure of herself (at least in the beginning). In any case, I like more than I disliked with season 1. Curious where they go with Season 2.... here's hoping they dump the elements that I disliked (Cat Grant, Olsen, etc.) and embrace more of the comic book elements that are more exciting and stir the imagination.... even with a reduced budget. To me Slaters Supergirl was younger (high school to college age) and more naive but wholesome and serious while being a completely ignorant to earth customs and society. Benoist's Supergirl is an older (a working 20 something) trying to find her place in the world as a young career woman and a hero but she is more in tune with living on earth. Each Supergirl is a product of their adaptation and the situation they were in. They're looks reflect that too. Benoist is older and has lived on earth for years so they've made her a little sexier and more stylish (darker more styled hair and a darker costume). Slaters Supergirl was more pure. I think where they both hit it is they will immediately stand up for the right thing. They each have a great moral compass. There is no doubt about wanting to do the right thing and even if they aren't sure what the right thing is they aren't going to just stand around. Great points! Here's hoping that the second season, again, increases the good stuff about the show and throws away the stuff that seems to bog it down.
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Post by Metallo on Sept 2, 2016 19:25:19 GMT -5
Hoechlin On Playing An Optimistic Superman By Garth Franklin Friday, September 2nd 2016 2:27 pm We had the far too Photoshopped promo shot of both of them together a few months back, now finally comes a proper photo of Tyler Hoechlin as Superman and Melissa Benoist as Supergirl together in one scene in the upcoming second season of “Supergirl”. The shot, which comes from the second episode dubbed “The Last Children of Krypton,” offers offers fans a better look at the Superman suit, including coloring akin to Kara’s costume and a more battle worn look as he’s been in action for over a decade. Speaking with EW about taking on the role, Hoechlin says he hasn’t watched any Superman films since landing the role: “[We want to] honor the tradition that is the character without really emulating anything that somebody else has done before… It’s Superman as I think he was intended to be, which is just an incredible symbol of hope to kids that they can do anything, that they can be good people, and that good people can triumph over evil. You don’t have to be dark and brooding and always in this state of masculine toughness. He sits in that very hopeful and optimistic place that Kara tends to be in.” Hoechlin also spoke about getting into the suit itself, saying it’s not as easy as you might think: “The first couple of times it definitely took longer to get into. I started to think that Superman’s greatest power was actually being able to just jump into [the suit] as quickly as he does, because it’s not quite as smooth the first couple of times you do it… it’s kind of like putting on a wetsuit. I’ve introduced an old surfing trick, so if put a plastic bag over my feet and hands when I put it on, that seems to cut down a little bit of time, so that’s been helpful in the process.
It’s one of those things where you put it on, and it’s the nicest Halloween costume you’ve ever worn. Then, once you step on set, it becomes something different because people actually start addressing you as Superman. You’re in the scenes, and people are playing along that you are Superman, so that’s when it really hits you for a second. You have to then believe that you are this person, and just really own it and roll with it. That was really the moment that it hit closest to home.”
“Supergirl” Season 2 kicks off on The CW on October 17th.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Sept 3, 2016 0:32:26 GMT -5
Hoechlin On Playing An Optimistic Superman By Garth Franklin Friday, September 2nd 2016 2:27 pm We had the far too Photoshopped promo shot of both of them together a few months back, now finally comes a proper photo of Tyler Hoechlin as Superman and Melissa Benoist as Supergirl together in one scene in the upcoming second season of “Supergirl”. The shot, which comes from the second episode dubbed “The Last Children of Krypton,” offers offers fans a better look at the Superman suit, including coloring akin to Kara’s costume and a more battle worn look as he’s been in action for over a decade. Speaking with EW about taking on the role, Hoechlin says he hasn’t watched any Superman films since landing the role: “[We want to] honor the tradition that is the character without really emulating anything that somebody else has done before… It’s Superman as I think he was intended to be, which is just an incredible symbol of hope to kids that they can do anything, that they can be good people, and that good people can triumph over evil. You don’t have to be dark and brooding and always in this state of masculine toughness. He sits in that very hopeful and optimistic place that Kara tends to be in.” Hoechlin also spoke about getting into the suit itself, saying it’s not as easy as you might think: “The first couple of times it definitely took longer to get into. I started to think that Superman’s greatest power was actually being able to just jump into [the suit] as quickly as he does, because it’s not quite as smooth the first couple of times you do it… it’s kind of like putting on a wetsuit. I’ve introduced an old surfing trick, so if put a plastic bag over my feet and hands when I put it on, that seems to cut down a little bit of time, so that’s been helpful in the process.
It’s one of those things where you put it on, and it’s the nicest Halloween costume you’ve ever worn. Then, once you step on set, it becomes something different because people actually start addressing you as Superman. You’re in the scenes, and people are playing along that you are Superman, so that’s when it really hits you for a second. You have to then believe that you are this person, and just really own it and roll with it. That was really the moment that it hit closest to home.”
“Supergirl” Season 2 kicks off on The CW on October 17th.I'm....curious. Can't tell if the actor has been primed for the interview to counter all the (justifiably) negative press on MOS and BvS's 'dark' approach to Superman, or (hopefully) he just sees the character appropriately optimistic. The good thing is that the general vibe from the first season is one of optimism and heart- so the saying that SG is inspired by the Donner version might not be just a line to appease fans. Here's hoping he comes off better than the photos.... as I remember being unimpressed by both the Routh and Cavill photos, but on camera was fine with them.
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Post by Metallo on Sept 3, 2016 8:02:32 GMT -5
I think all three of them had really poor official first photos as Superman with each one being progressively more and more photoshopped. The Routh still was a real on set photo but badly angled, Cavill's was heavily over filtered and desaturated with shadows to hide some controversial changes, while Hoechlin's looked like a Frankensteined digital stitch job.
All three looked better in unreleased promo shots and candid/paparazzi on set photos. I do wonder how they choose which picture to release because it seems like most of the time they release bad ones.
Like you said before I think Hoechlin has the biggest problem because he has the weakest look of the three. Sometimes he looks good and sometimes he doesn't whereas Benoist almost always looks good as Supergirl.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Sept 3, 2016 11:14:20 GMT -5
I think all three of them had really poor official first photos as superman. With each one being progressively more and more photoshopped. The Routh still was a real on set photo but badly angled, Cavills was heavily over filtered and desaturated with shadows to hide some controversial changes, while Hoechlins looked like a Frankensteined digital stitch job. All three looked better in unreleased promo shots and candid/paparazzi on set photos. I do wonder how they chose which picture to release because it seems like most of the time they release bad one. Like you said before I think Hoechlin has the biggest problem because he has the weakest look of the three. Sometimes he looks good and sometimes he doesn't whereas Benoist almost always looks good as Supergirl. Benoist (with the writing) has won me over in her version of Supergirl, though one BIG advantage is the costume. Having said that, even HER first promo picture looked horrible to me. I couldn't recognize her even though I had seen her on "Glee". Hadn't thought it before, but she reminds me quite a bit of Sheryl Lee (Lara Palmer) on "Twin Peaks" back in the day.
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Post by Metallo on Sept 3, 2016 11:20:22 GMT -5
Yeah I kind of see it especially with her hair a certain way.
I like the Supergirl tv costume too. It's arguably the best DC hero costume on tv. It's an actual costume and not some variation on the leather jacket and pants pattern most of Berlantis shows have. I'd do something to the tops of the boots and maybe make the cape less like the vinyl Routh Supes cape. I don't hate it but I just prefer a richer red cloth cape. If there's one chnge I could make I'd fill in the blue parts of the S with yellow.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Sept 3, 2016 11:27:14 GMT -5
Yeah I kind of see it especially with her hair a certain way. I like the Supergirl tv costume too. It's arguably the best DC hero costume on tv. It's an actual costume and not some variation on the leather jacket and pants pattern most of Berlantis shows have. I'd do something to the tops of the boots and maybe make the cape less like the vinyl Routh Supes cape. I don't hate it but I just prefer a richer red cloth cape. If there's one chnge I could make I'd fill in the blue parts of the S with yellow. Right- after years of those 'non=costume' costumes on Smallville (with rare exceptions), it's a great joy to SEE her in costume on the show that shouts out 'this is from the comic!'. (If only Hawkeye got the cue in the movies) Weird that it comes with stockings, but I got used to it (not sure what the purpose exactly is).
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Post by Metallo on Sept 3, 2016 11:36:04 GMT -5
To be fair Hawkeyes comic costume looks ridiculous. The big thing he's missing in the movies is the mask. The rest could be updated (they tried a little with civil war) and adapted but the mask is tough. Falcon is in the same boat but he's got the wings to give him comic book flare. They made them more mechanical looking to be believable and added some of his comic colors in his second outfit. Hawkeyes movie costume is based more on his Ultimates costume.
Some costumes are tougher to adapt than others. Dr Strange looks perfect to me. Martian Manhunter needed a change a few years back and the newer comic suit works well in live action.
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Post by EnriqueH on Sept 3, 2016 23:50:21 GMT -5
I'm sorry, he reminds me of a cosplayer.
In his defense, I've never seen this guy act (that I know of), and I remember I wasn't thrilled with Dean Cain when I first saw him and I ended up really enjoying Cain's performance. I also had strong doubts about Daniel Craig as Bond (like a lot of people) and he ended up being phenomenal.
I wish the TV and movie universes had the same actors, but then the DC films are ending up being such creative disasters that I guess it's probably a good thing.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Sept 4, 2016 3:09:43 GMT -5
I'm sorry, he reminds me of a cosplayer. In his defense, I've never seen this guy act (that I know of), and I remember I wasn't thrilled with Dean Cain when I first saw him and I ended up really enjoying Cain's performance. I also had strong doubts about Daniel Craig as Bond (like a lot of people) and he ended up being phenomenal. I wish the TV and movie universes had the same actors, but then the DC films are ending up being such creative disasters that I guess it's probably a good thing. Again.... if Marvel Studios never existed to show what CAN actually be done, I would have probably ended up giving WB far more credit than they deserve. Fortunately, there's a bar set by a Studio that shows the way it can be done. Hence, thanks to Marvel, execs have nothing they can hide behind if they don't deliver for the stockholders.
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