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Post by Metallo on Dec 16, 2016 14:55:48 GMT -5
I believe this is what Michael Thau was going to give us originally until Richard Donner changed his mind and decided to get involved in the project after all. To an extent anyway. As Thau said, he was gonna keep in the memory-wipe kiss but Donner refused it. Sad to think that Donner himself was the very thing that messed up his own edit, even after he said for months that he wouldn't get involved specifically for that very reason (I'm not the same director I was back then). As for no announcement, yeah it sucks. But to be fair even when a movie is re-released, it flies under most people's radar's and they don't know until they're at the store, see a movie they like, it has a new cover (albeit a badly photoshopped onee) and go "Ooooh. Is there a new version of "...." out now? I wonder if it's better than the last release. Better buy it and see!!" There's still quite a few clunker edit decisions in there, I think, that doesn't totally absolve Thau of poor judgement.... with either unnecessary changes that made things even worse or deletions. What's weird is how VIOLENT this version is and/or suggests. The kid gets killed. It's suggested that Teschmacher is killed by the kryptonian toilet? The priorities on the cut still seem strange, but I'm glad that at least the 'whole' Brando/Lex scene is intact. Some of the music edits in Thaus cut are quite horrible. Sometimes it sounds like he doubles some bits and splices them together. Should have stuck with more of Thornes music.
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Post by Metallo on Dec 16, 2016 14:58:19 GMT -5
Don't forget that Thau left Luthor in the Fortress when Superman destroyed it. Mr Sunday Movies makes fun of that at the end of this video. It's hilarious.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Dec 17, 2016 16:34:49 GMT -5
Don't forget that Thau left Luthor in the Fortress when Superman destroyed it. Right. Plus, he apparently 'killed' the three villains as well as the scene with the Arctic Police was left out. Darker version indeed. But definitely schizo with the still-slapstick Metro battle. Speaking of which, one thing I did/do find odd is how Donner chose to have the 'Supes punches Non' and 'Non kicks Supes' bits lit. I know it was very early in the process, but what was the light source supposed to be? In any case- most any Donner shot far preferred over the Lester stuff.
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Post by Metallo on Dec 17, 2016 17:47:41 GMT -5
I was all for taking out Lester's comedy garbage but some of his more serious material had merit and i wish it would have been left in to make it more smooth when necessary.
I'd happily cut most of Lester's extra powers stuff but I still say his return to the fortress to get repowered footage at the end was superior. I even thought the lack of Brando footage for the repowering was handled well.
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Post by atp on Dec 18, 2016 6:02:56 GMT -5
I blame the Donner Cut for starting the demise of this forum. It was never the same after we all realised the whole thing was hyped and a lie.
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Post by Metallo on Dec 18, 2016 11:57:38 GMT -5
Some dampened dreams sure but the real culprit was Man of Steel. It's legacy is continuing to do so across all DC fandoms. My favorites were the petitions to shut down Rotten Tomatoes and the accusations of Disney paying critics to bash all of the DCEU movies. Even though they liked Nolan's movies and even SR.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Dec 18, 2016 15:25:20 GMT -5
Some dampened dreams sure but the real culprit was Man of Steel. It's legacy is continuing to do so across all DC fandoms. My favorites were the petitions to shut down Rotten Tomatoes and the accusations of Disney paying critics to bash all of the DCEU movies. Even though they liked Nolan's movies and even SR. My opinion is that it could have survived anything if all agreed to respect differing opinions on a film. Lack of respect for each other's differing opinions ended up with the place being so negative and unpleasant, it was a place that was hard to want to visit, let alone participate in.
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Post by atp on Dec 18, 2016 15:41:45 GMT -5
MoS was certainly the last nail in the coffin, but I think the decline started after the Donner cut came out.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Dec 19, 2016 4:43:31 GMT -5
MoS was certainly the last nail in the coffin, but I think the decline started after the Donner cut came out. Well... I think there's something to be said about how long a forum based on the Reeve movies (which are pretty old now and counting), period. If Singer's Donnerverse had continued to a few movies- then it might have reinvigorated the whole forum and united them.... but.... Personally, I have other interests, but I always thought a forum discussing a fictional series of movies based on a good natured character would never have spiralled downwards. With politics and religion, one expects controversy and heated debate that inevitably crosses lines nad creates bad will... But the Donner Superman films, full of heart and good will? Made no sense to me, but it's still here anyhow.... Less voices, but hopefully less conflict. (There's enough in the real world)
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Dec 20, 2016 20:31:00 GMT -5
More....
I could be wrong, but seems like there's a new line reading from Stamp for "We will kill the son of our jailer!" in the White House scene. I also notice that the cheap fx 'beams' are gone from Zod's fingers in the East Houston scene- it actually does seem to help imo. A LITTLE more surreal without the beams, less goofy.
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Post by crown on Oct 23, 2017 23:46:49 GMT -5
Just downloaded this.
Man, if only we had gotten this cut and they just replaced the world turning back with the arctic patrol.
Coulda been great.....
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Oct 24, 2017 0:33:39 GMT -5
Just downloaded this. Man, if only we had gotten this cut and they just replaced the world turning back with the arctic patrol. Coulda been great..... It's a LITTLE bit better- at least it's not so truncated that it's ridiculous. Still, hoping/looking forward to the SII tv cut in blu and letterbox....
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Post by crown on Oct 24, 2017 0:51:40 GMT -5
The middle of the film doesn't seem like a highlights package.
That alone makes it a lot better.
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Post by crown on Oct 24, 2017 3:01:42 GMT -5
Also I decided I like the Pizza run scene after all.
Someone tell me how to use this scene as the ending WITHOUT turning the world back or the magic kiss scene.
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Post by booshman on Oct 24, 2017 22:36:57 GMT -5
Also I decided I like the Pizza run scene after all. Someone tell me how to use this scene as the ending WITHOUT turning the world back or the magic kiss scene.
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Post by crown on Oct 24, 2017 23:07:43 GMT -5
Also I decided I like the Pizza run scene after all. Someone tell me how to use this scene as the ending WITHOUT turning the world back or the magic kiss scene. This is sorta what I did when I did my first fan cut of the movie years ago... cut Lois being forgetful as much as possible and tried to play it up as "same old Clark and same old Lois" All this needs is to dub Lois saying hamburger instead of Pizza so it makes sense to go to the diner to get it.
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Post by crown on Oct 25, 2017 2:21:51 GMT -5
I have to admit that Non killing Tim sorta does seem particularly cruel and mean spirited.. it's doesn't fit with the tone of a Superman movie.
However, it is a good sequence and essential to convey that the villains are a real threat even while stuck in East Houston.
It helps bridge the serious tone between Donner's moon sequence and white house.
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Post by atp on Oct 25, 2017 3:32:19 GMT -5
This is sorta what I did when I did my first fan cut of the movie years ago... cut Lois being forgetful as much as possible and tried to play it up as "same old Clark and same old Lois" All this needs is to dub Lois saying hamburger instead of Pizza so it makes sense to go to the diner to get it. I like that idea. So it ends with her knowing the truth?
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Post by crown on Oct 25, 2017 4:19:25 GMT -5
This is sorta what I did when I did my first fan cut of the movie years ago... cut Lois being forgetful as much as possible and tried to play it up as "same old Clark and same old Lois" All this needs is to dub Lois saying hamburger instead of Pizza so it makes sense to go to the diner to get it. I like that idea. So it ends with her knowing the truth? Maybe Clark gets Lois a magic pizza that makes her forget?
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Post by booshman on Oct 25, 2017 19:53:35 GMT -5
All this needs is to dub Lois saying hamburger instead of Pizza so it makes sense to go to the diner to get it. Good idea. Probably easier said than done though. I like that idea. So it ends with her knowing the truth? Yeah, she has a little dig that she has the biggest story of her career, but she can't write it. Her last line implying that she'll still give him sh1t at the office, but it's for show. It's not a perfect solution, but it works well enough I suppose. The ending in the clip is the same as I had it in my old fan edit, except I was playing with the idea of working in the alley change. The edit itself follows on from the "brand new camera" deleted scene, to the diner bully.
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Post by crown on Oct 26, 2017 5:27:57 GMT -5
All this needs is to dub Lois saying hamburger instead of Pizza so it makes sense to go to the diner to get it. Good idea. Probably easier said than done though. I like that idea. So it ends with her knowing the truth? Yeah, she has a little dig that she has the biggest story of her career, but she can't write it. Her last line implying that she'll still give him sh1t at the office, but it's for show. It's not a perfect solution, but it works well enough I suppose. The ending in the clip is the same as I had it in my old fan edit, except I was playing with the idea of working in the alley change. The edit itself follows on from the "brand new camera" deleted scene, to the diner bully. It would be petty for Lois to offer to pay for 1/2 of a "cheeseburger" though.....
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Post by inebriated87 on Oct 26, 2017 10:43:06 GMT -5
I have to admit that Non killing Tim sorta does seem particularly cruel and mean spirited My main problem was that a small plastic light fixture shouldn't explode like an artillery sheck. Non should have thrown a car. Sarah Douglas' voice wasn't dubbed for her line here - why wouldn't they get Annie Ross to dub everything in 1980 even if not used in the final cut ? It would add no extra cost as it would amount to only a few additional lines throughout the movie. Maybe she dubbed everything but her tape was subsequently lost. ... it's doesn't fit with the tone of a Superman movie. Have you ever sought hypnotherapy to forget Superman III ?
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Oct 26, 2017 14:21:30 GMT -5
Good idea. Probably easier said than done though. Yeah, she has a little dig that she has the biggest story of her career, but she can't write it. Her last line implying that she'll still give him sh1t at the office, but it's for show. It's not a perfect solution, but it works well enough I suppose. The ending in the clip is the same as I had it in my old fan edit, except I was playing with the idea of working in the alley change. The edit itself follows on from the "brand new camera" deleted scene, to the diner bully. It would be petty for Lois to offer to pay for 1/2 of a "cheeseburger" though..... Well.... considering how much her character is smoking like a chimney and paying for a high rise apartment in Metropolis, she has to save money somewhere...
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Oct 26, 2017 14:24:57 GMT -5
I have to admit that Non killing Tim sorta does seem particularly cruel and mean spirited.. it's doesn't fit with the tone of a Superman movie. However, it is a good sequence and essential to convey that the villains are a real threat even while stuck in East Houston. It helps bridge the serious tone between Donner's moon sequence and white house. Apparently Donner agreed, as the commentary suggested he didn't want it left in- the Mank script had the villains killing adults, but I guess the line was drawn there. But- leaving the sections there with slight tweaks at least made this Donner cut version feel slightly more complete and make more sense.
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Post by crown on Oct 26, 2017 14:46:02 GMT -5
I have to admit that Non killing Tim sorta does seem particularly cruel and mean spirited My main problem was that a small plastic light fixture shouldn't explode like an artillery sheck. Non should have thrown a car. Sarah Douglas' voice wasn't dubbed for her line here - why wouldn't they get Annie Ross to dub everything in 1980 even if not used in the final cut ? It would add no extra cost as it would amount to only a few additional lines throughout the movie. Maybe she dubbed everything but her tape was subsequently lost. ... it's doesn't fit with the tone of a Superman movie. Have you ever sought hypnotherapy to forget Superman III ? Maybe they could CGI in a car over the siren? Superman III? You mean the movie where Superman grabs a child's bum, gets drunk, porks Lorelei, and kills Ricky? I remember everything... never set one Superman movie above the rest, love ALL of them instead. (except Superman Returns)
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