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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jul 15, 2021 23:38:36 GMT -5
I think I blame Snyder less than Lester- and less than WB, because WB had spun in circles over their properties for decades and only got embarrassed enough by Marvel Studios to produce more. Also, WB had Bryan Singer's continuation of the Donnerverse, but chose to just let it lapse.... With Watchmen, that thing had so many musical chairs with directors and was such an unknown material to the masses, if Snyder didn't make it with the clout he had at the time- I don't think we would have gotten ANY Watchmen at all that looked so close (even though the actual film missed the mark by quite a bit)- or any Watchmen movie, period. Maybe Nolan is to blame, too, for not jumping in--- but then again--- his TDKR is an absolute mess to me and undermined a lot of great will TDK gave.... so having him step in is hit and miss in my book.... so... Anyhow- WB is like a side event to me, while anything Marvel is the main event. Until DIsney buys DC, which I think isn't impossible at this point... Couldn’t you say the same thing about Lester though? The Salkinds hired Lester. Lester delivered the kind of films they wanted. Shouldn’t the Salkinds get more of the blame? They caused the split with Donner. They also made Supergirl which failed without any input from Lester. That one was all on them. They showed they could kill a franchise all on their own. As for Snyder the most you can blame WB for is hiring him and letting him do whatever he wanted. Sure WB has messed up plenty but they gave the director the freedom he wanted to do what he wanted. We would have been happy if the Salkinds had done the same for Donner. WB didn’t make the movies Snyder did. And when he was criticized for legit reasons he just doubled down or BLAMED the fans. The latter certainly isn’t WB’s fault. I’d still take Lester’s Superman II over any DC movie Zack Snyder has made. Yes even Justice League. I may have jumbled my post- as I tend to do, sorry about lack of clarity... I think with the Salkinds- It's weird because on one hand--- if they didn't have the chutzpah to make a Superman movie- and on a big level- then there would be NO Superman movie for the longest time arguably because -as Tom Mankiewicz put it- WB could have made it anytime all this time... or any other DC superhero movie. So- as much as I get irritated at the Salkinds for firing Donner- and also not keeping Lester in check- without the Salkinds, Donner would not have had the opportunity to create what I adore. With Lester- It's the lack of respect he had for a fellow artist, and making the fans suffer for his ego that I blame him for. I never like to call it Lester's Superman II, but Donner-Lester's Superman II, if I have to go that far. The superior scenes and the framework and initial casting and designs were all Donner, so it feels wrong to me to call it Lester's, and I'm glad that some of the sources that list the movie, credit both of them now. Lester shares the blame as does Ilya, though, for not protecting what was a better version and letting Lester do whatever he wanted. Jeannot Swarc's Supergirl is not a good movie, but I don't get annoyed by that film nearly as much as Donner-Lester's SII because it was started on a blank canvas. Snyder's MOS is annoying- especially Snyder's reactions to wanting to kill off Jimmy Olsen/etc.- but I have so little faith in WB's system that we've seen, that I was already kind of giving up hope once WB didn't do the sequel to SR and wanted to do a reboot with Snyder. I loved Snyder's trailer for MOS- and was hoping it would be good..... but never had solid expecations that it would be.... so I think I was much less heartbroken and Snyder wasn't finishing off material that was already half made that I was in love with--- So... I'm not a fan of either Snyder nor Lester's work in general. I do admit really liking his version of the Justice League, but that's not nearly in the same level of like as STM nor Donner's SII material. Not in the same ballpark. Lester's Three Musketeers is the one film that I will give Lester tons of credit for, as well as part of 4 Musketeers.... but I even was underwhelmed by the Beatles' movie, which is considered a classic and his best work by some. With the Salkinds.... again.... I credit them for inititating the Superman movie series and hiring Donner and financing the first film and a half under DOnner- but it is also their fault for firing Donner as well. So, I almost feel like it's not too dissimilar to George Lucas making the first 2 1/2 Star Wars films which I adored, then making the prequels which I hated, I guess.... In any case---- the interviews and bits that come out just echo the whole consensus: it would have been better to have had a director who respected Donner's work to finish it. I would say based on the previous interviews Sydney Furie would have been right to finish it, with the proper budget. The budget slashed to nothing couldn't have done anything but make Superman IV a disaster going in, regardless of who directed it. I would be highly suprised if even Spielberg could have made a better film given the production budget for SIV, but maybe Furie would have made a fitting finish for SII that stayed more in line with the intents Donner and Mank set.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jul 15, 2021 1:18:17 GMT -5
I think I’m less critical of Snyder than Lester because at least Snyder wasn't destroying someone else's work. But in viewing and cringing so many times over Lester's undermining what was supposed to be the equivalent of the final fights in a Rocky movie- for Superman II,,,,, I'm hesitant to give Lester any credit. I did and do always mention how brilliant his Three Musketeers adaptation is, but I've said it before and will probably say it even more: he had zero respect for Donner and his work and even knew what was working (by keeping the Donner scenes he did)- While Hollywood from what I've seen is cutthroat, if Ilya Salkind wanted to get a young up and coming director to take over but respect the original script and intents, I think he could have if he confessed himself that he was distracted by relationship issues during Superman II and didn't have as strong a hand as he should have had with Lester... particularly with the insertions and excesses of all the lame jokes into the Metro battle. I may not care for a lot of Snyder's work- but, at least he's only messing with his own work. As far as other directors not wanting to respect a previous director's work.... I dunno--- Speilberg tried to emulate Kurbrick for "A.I." (Even though I feel he failed with the too-happy ending--- but was willing to try. There was a director of "Psycho" that tried to do a shot for shot remake of that movie--- and there's Bryan Singer almost TOO reverential to Donner's work- so, there is precedence of one director respecting another director's work enough to try to stay within the previous director's creative outlines. It's just a pity nobody told Lester to stick with the superior director's outlines. Ilya's fault, actually. But with Superman III- that's a bit on Chris Reeve for having script and director approval. Snyder just destroyed many of the big firsts for DC in one fell swoop. First shared DC cinematic universe. First meeting between Batman Superman and Wonder Woman in live action. Wonder woman’s first big screen appearance. The first justice league movie. The adaptation of the death of Superman people had been waiting on for 25 years. All that is arguably worse than what Lester did. That’s not even mentioning the hatchet job he did on Watchmen—someone else’s work. STM will always be there even if Superman II’s original plan got derailed. And it’s still a good movie. Snyder derailed an entire on screen universe right out of the gate. It never even had a chance. WBs all in on the multiverse now because they aren’t even interested in making the DCEU as originally envisioned work. Flash is the patchjob/eraser that just gives them a way to get out of that while making some money. Meanwhile you look at what Marvels done and that’s just salt in the wounds for a lot of DC fans. I think I blame Snyder less than Lester- and less than WB, because WB had spun in circles over their properties for decades and only got embarrassed enough by Marvel Studios to produce more. Also, WB had Bryan Singer's continuation of the Donnerverse, but chose to just let it lapse.... With Watchmen, that thing had so many musical chairs with directors and was such an unknown material to the masses, if Snyder didn't make it with the clout he had at the time- I don't think we would have gotten ANY Watchmen at all that looked so close (even though the actual film missed the mark by quite a bit)- or any Watchmen movie, period. Maybe Nolan is to blame, too, for not jumping in--- but then again--- his TDKR is an absolute mess to me and undermined a lot of great will TDK gave.... so having him step in is hit and miss in my book.... so... Anyhow- WB is like a side event to me, while anything Marvel is the main event. Until DIsney buys DC, which I think isn't impossible at this point...
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jul 14, 2021 20:27:20 GMT -5
That’s what I mean. Despite all the silliness injected into it the Metropolis battle in Superman II at least had some human stakes. Man of Steel conjured plenty of 9/11 style imagery but most of it was cgi destruction with no people suffering or at risk on screen until we got to that awkward forced in moment with the family almost getting burned up by Zod. At least Lester could juggle both and sprinkle it in throughout the set piece. Snyder didn’t even bother to do that. The Jenny Jurwich situation was laughably ham fisted and more of a character building moment for Perry White so I don’t even count that. Plus that not where she stumbles around the obvious green screen soundstage and says “he saved us” was hilariously bad and creatively tone deaf. I think I"m less critical of Snyder than Lester because at least Snyder wasn't destroying someone else's work. But in viewing and cringing so many times over Lester's undermining what was supposed to be the equivalent of the final fights in a Rocky movie- for Superman II,,,,, I'm hesitant to give Lester any credit. I did and do always mention how brilliant his Three Musketeers adaptation is, but I've said it before and will probably say it even more: he had zero respect for Donner and his work and even knew what was working (by keeping the Donner scenes he did)- While Hollywood from what I've seen is cutthroat, if Ilya Salkind wanted to get a young up and coming director to take over but respect the original script and intents, I think he could have if he confessed himself that he was distracted by relationship issues during Superman II and didn't have as strong a hand as he should have had with Lester... particularly with the insertions and excesses of all the lame jokes into the Metro battle. I may not care for a lot of Snyder's work- but, at least he's only messing with his own work. As far as other directors not wanting to respect a previous director's work.... I dunno--- Speilberg tried to emulate Kurbrick for "A.I." (Even though I feel he failed with the too-happy ending--- but was willing to try. There was a director of "Psycho" that tried to do a shot for shot remake of that movie--- and there's Bryan Singer almost TOO reverential to Donner's work- so, there is precedence of one director respecting another director's work enough to try to stay within the previous director's creative outlines. It's just a pity nobody told Lester to stick with the superior director's outlines. Ilya's fault, actually. But with Superman III- that's a bit on Chris Reeve for having script and director approval.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jul 14, 2021 0:50:59 GMT -5
ABSOLUTELY. Beyond the spectacle that we missed by not having Donner stay on for that Metropolis battle--- we also missed all the emotional dynamics that we would have seen from all four characters (hinted at by Zod's spectacular scream when Superman shows up & a few seconds in the FOS at the end)- pushed to their limit in the final battle emotionally. I’m talking about the battle at the end of MOS not Superman II. Superman II’s big super fight in metropolis did try to have some human stakes and a Superman aware of and concerned over the human suffering around him. MOS may have lacked it completely, but under Lester, we get a few seconds of reaction shots that are meant to be taken seriously amidst all the ice cream in the face jokes and other unwelcome jokes forced in by him. It's a pity that Reeve didn't have better judgement before allowing Lester to come back for Superman III. I think he just fell too much for Lester's reputation with the Beatles movie & Three Musketeers to realize he just was the devil to everything Donner built with Superman.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jul 13, 2021 20:16:38 GMT -5
Hearing Lester speak briefly about Superman proves the often brought up point that he was was too sophisticated for such a task. The superhero genre isn’t fit for a thoughtful director, who in this case asked questions about the expensive apartment and clothing Lois Lane owns. He know the reality of the situation is that those things are out of the price range for a reporter. He probably questioned to Donner about the “verisimilitude” of that and was ignored, but a common criticism from critics said pointed out that fallacy. What Lester meant by if he didn’t take over the movie would fall apart wasn’t so much a self boasting statement but was likely in regard to being aware of all of the complicated methods of achieving the flying effects. It would have taken way too much time to bring in another director who had no clue how it all worked. Lester was indeed a bad choice to take over Donner’s sensibilities and every director will tell you the most insulting thing you can say to them is to emulate someone else’s work. Everyone was probably concerned over the Metropolis battle being too terrifying under Donner’s direction and Lester was told to lighten it up and that’s where the gags came in. We all saw how it turned out in Man of Steel where we saw how really terrifying and not triumphant it is to see a city leveled off by super powered beings. Except for the part where the guy right in the middle of it should have been most horrified. That’s why despite all the carnage it lacked any real emotional impact and came off like two video game characters fighting. ABSOLUTELY. Beyond the spectacle that we missed by not having Donner stay on for that Metropolis battle--- we also missed all the emotional dynamics that we would have seen from all four characters (hinted at by Zod's spectacular scream when Superman shows up & a few seconds in the FOS at the end)- pushed to their limit in the final battle emotionally.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jul 12, 2021 11:13:11 GMT -5
I’m one of the few who actually liked the original script- it’s the budget and execution tied together I felt was a fail. Sydney Furie’s heart seemed in the right place but the slashed budget and having some members of the cast a little too old by then to play things a certain way hurt. The theatrical chopping down of the story to incomprehension was the final nail in the coffin I think.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jul 11, 2021 11:39:58 GMT -5
Actually, Chris Reeve could have gotten rid of Lester for Superman III- as he had script and director approval, but I don't think his story sense was sharp enough to realize it was not a great script and I assume he might have felt that he wouldn't have to worry if he was going to be present for the majority of the shooting.
But- yeah- much like David Goyer who once said on camera he was the wrong person for Superman.... neither Goyer nor Lester should have done so if they knew they were wrong for it!
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jul 10, 2021 17:25:51 GMT -5
She got off light in my opinion. Guess cooperating with the prosecutors to put away her cult leader helped. I know there's material out there to read about the whole thing, but I chose not to. Michael Rosenbaum on his podcast speaks pretty open and honestly on his pov on the whole thing- and it's pretty fair and balanced.... Cult may well be the exact term. It's hard to know if things were as sordid before in Hollywood - or- the same, but just more things reported because of the internet age....
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jul 10, 2021 17:21:13 GMT -5
@cam and metallo I had to search hard but I managed to find 2 relatively recent interviews(2014 and 2015) where Lester spoke a little about Superman. When you see these, I think it's gonna piss you guys off at how flippant Lester is with regards to the Supes franchise. Main take home points are that it indeed was a "gig", a favour to the Salkinds, and in Lester's words, that apparently, if he did not direct/complete II , the whole project would have terminated there and then. Wow. Interestingly, Lester says he was also offered STM way back at the beginning, and turned it down because it was not his thing. Wow. goto 6:40 in video below: goto 1:50 in video below: Thanks for sharing--- especially as I now don't feel guilty on slamming his behavior on these movies for all these years! So... yep, he was an insensitive prick. Called it! I am super-skeptical on the project being terminated then and there if Lester didn't pick it up - STM at the time was such a gigantic win for WB that I could see WB offering a small fortune for the remaining footage and then pumping money in to complete it and get Donner back.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jul 10, 2021 17:16:14 GMT -5
Apparently, it made Snyder believe he should have a lot of fun killing off Jimmy Olsen in a cruel and unnecessary way... ugh. But- I may be being too harsh. Snyder didn't put a knife in Donner's back creatively like another director- but it is weird to see all the mixed comments from him plus his hyper-violent take on the DC universe which is a bit at odds with Donner's for sure.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jul 9, 2021 23:21:38 GMT -5
In some ways I thought it was amazing. Still a giant pity it didn't get to have a sequel to improve on the aspects that were a bit lacking.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jul 9, 2021 23:19:52 GMT -5
I think the thing is- with Superman, it exploded Donner's profile like never before- right after the Omen became a big hit. For Lester, riding on the coattails and stealing Superman II resseurected his career.... briefly. So the two movies had big parts in both of their lives. I figured Lester's silence was either narcissm or shame over what he had done to Donner's work for all those years ... but- then again, 90 years old.... I'm glad that at least Ilya Salkind and Donner had what looked like an amicable-enough reunion. Also, if Donner felt okay enough with the Donner cut before his passing, that there's that. At the same time- Donner was excited and thrilled to be looking ahead to directing Lethal Weapon V with his old friends- he had to be in good spirits with something to look forward to, versus many 90 year olds who are forgotten in old folks homes (I know a number of them sadly). I do wonder a thought: wouldn't it be nice if Speilberg stepped in to direct Lethal Weapon 5 in a tribute to Donner? You’re assuming Lester cares enough about any of that the way the fans do. Enough to make any kind of public statement on his own. It’s not the same for him as it is for us for a lot of reasons. I don’t think it was narcissism and/or shame especially if Lester hasn’t kept up with the public opinion or perception of the fandom. I think he just doesn’t give a f*** and is perfectly fine living his golden years cut off from the industry and the online media that covered all the ins and outs of the Donner/Lester situation. For him all that was mostly about a job he did 40 years ago. Sure he got on well with some people he worked with but he’s never seemed to have felt the same way about working on the Superman franchise as Donner did. It was a gig. It’s not like he and Donner were absolute best friends either. I’m sure he probably feels bad the guy died but he probably feels that way about a lot of people he’s acquainted with in the film industry that have died and he didn’t say anything then either. If anything he might feel like popping up now of all times might look a little disingenuous to some. I think if anyone is interested in what Richard Lester has to say they’re going to have to take the initiative and contact him about it. That’s if anyone cares enough to make the effort. I think fans like us would do that first before the Hollywood Reporter or Variety would because like I said to the casual person Lester hasn’t been relevant in decades and has kept a low profile. Someone like Ilya Salkind is different for a lot of reasons and he did say something. It’s people like Joel Silver or executives at WB who I wonder about. People who had serious long term connections to Donner. If they haven’t said anything yet it’ll be interesting to see if and when they do. It's hard to imagine a director treating things as just a gig. If Lester was a point and shoot director (and maybe part of me wishes he was)- then he wouldn't have made all those changes on SII- and if he reshot everything from the ground up and took credit, that would be different- but his knowingly taking the lions share of credit for great work the first guy did has always made me irritated at the whole situation from the get go. But..... you're a thousand percent right - if at a certain age, a lot of things just don't matter. If he wanted to apologize or anything else, he had more than enough opportunities to in the past. I wouldn't dance on Lester's grave if he passed away tomorrow, but I would not feel nearly the same amount of loss as I do with vagina Donner passing.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jul 9, 2021 11:15:41 GMT -5
I think the thing is- with Superman, it exploded Donner's profile like never before- right after the Omen became a big hit.
For Lester, riding on the coattails and stealing Superman II resseurected his career.... briefly.
So the two movies had big parts in both of their lives. I figured Lester's silence was either narcissm or shame over what he had done to Donner's work for all those years ... but- then again, 90 years old.... I'm glad that at least Ilya Salkind and Donner had what looked like an amicable-enough reunion. Also, if Donner felt okay enough with the Donner cut before his passing, that there's that.
At the same time- Donner was excited and thrilled to be looking ahead to directing Lethal Weapon V with his old friends- he had to be in good spirits with something to look forward to, versus many 90 year olds who are forgotten in old folks homes (I know a number of them sadly).
I do wonder a thought: wouldn't it be nice if Speilberg stepped in to direct Lethal Weapon 5 in a tribute to Donner?
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jul 9, 2021 1:36:41 GMT -5
I read that earlier and the outpouring of love and admiration for Donner is incredibly moving. Still sad that he’s gone but it’s been something to see so many positive comments and memories about the man. Really shows what kind of impact he made on people not just as a filmmaker but as a person. I'm happily suprised that there haven't been awful folks popping out of the woodwork to make the sadness even worse. I still think, though, it's odd that Richard Lester hasn't made any statements that I know of, even if only a sentence or two.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jul 8, 2021 20:12:24 GMT -5
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jul 7, 2021 22:33:07 GMT -5
I bet Lester sat by his phone over the last 40 years working up the courage to call Donner and apologize. Every day he probably said "I'll call him tomorrow.. I'll call him tomorrow." Well now it's too late. I'm fortunate I got to see Mr Donner in person during a screening of STM and QA... he will be missed. Sadly, that resonates with me for other reasons. Thanks for putting this up. If there is any lesson for anyone passing, it's that time is shorter than you think and that you never know when it ends-
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jul 6, 2021 15:31:25 GMT -5
I do wonder if Richard Lester will come out and finally apologize or give any condolences.... I am suprised not to hear from Ilya Salkind, who actually was gracious in comments when discussing Donner post Superman II...
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jul 5, 2021 15:59:10 GMT -5
No words. Still in giant shock.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jun 30, 2021 1:36:18 GMT -5
I really really want to like this show, but... I wish some of the casting didn't bug me SO much. From the pilot and the last episode, there are a lot of great homages, but.... again, I'll reserve judgement until I binge the whole thing on blu ray when it's ready....
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jun 30, 2021 1:33:32 GMT -5
That IS cool!
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jun 27, 2021 12:00:01 GMT -5
Harlan Ellison has an unfilmed Batman script out there? Have to check it out! I viewed a summary of his original classic Trek tv script- was amazing! Donner had a good visual sense of taste= but also of honoring what came before in his adaptation.... I would have LOVED to have seen how he would have presented Brainiac back in the 80's--- I'm imagining a high quality actor in green makeup.... but it's a pity no one who interviewed Donner and Mank ever pressed for more details on their 'what if' versions of what would have been the subsequent sequels- But then again... I pressed the writer of Terminator 2 at a panel (Will WIsher I believe) for what he and Cameron would have done for T3 as the time had long passed where it was possible, but he kept mum on it- I imagine it's about not giving any ideas away for free, but... would have been nice to have known more of the 'what would we have gotten' or more of a hint of it. I do think we would have gotten an expanded supporting cast with Cat Grant and Steve Lombard- that would have been a lot of fun... it was neat to see Cat Grant (For one seasson only oddly) in Lois and Clark, but odd that subsequent adaptations (including Superman Returns) didn't take advantage of that pre-existing material to draw from. It’s not a movie script it was for the tv series. For whatever reason they obviously didn’t make it. I’ve read everything from them feeling two face was too gruesome for the series to creative issues. I’m pretty sure they used it for the Batman 66 comic though. Been a while since I read that two face story but from what I remember it was ok. Ah, thanks for clarification. Have to look it up!
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jun 27, 2021 11:59:31 GMT -5
The eyes are fine but it’s from the lower nose down that’s off. The mouth and chin look wrong. The nose is a bit too wide and the lips too full. Reminds me of a young Brian Thompson. As far as following what Donner would have done supposedly Donner said a few years ago that Brainiac was one of the things he considered so they’re on the right track. This will probably be like the way Two Face was used in Harlan Ellison’s unfilmed Batman script being the foundation for the way two face was used in the Batman 66 comic vs the Batman vs Two Face animated movie. They’re all influenced by Ellison’s script to varying degrees. Some more than others. Originally I'd say that with the late Mankiewicz gone, the one who should be writing this is Geoff Johns who went to work for Donner after seeing STM and seems to still be in contact with him. On the flip side, the Brainiac and actual Donner comic book collaborations may have already burned out Donner or made the interest die out-- if he wanted to do more, he probably had an open door for it for many years.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jun 27, 2021 11:56:15 GMT -5
I’ve heard that Lombard was in Puzo’s original script for Superman and he was supposed to be a romantic rival to Clark for Lois’ affections and they were eyeing Joe Namath to play the part. This was when they were going to keep the then current notion of everyone working for a television news station instead of a newspaper. I'd kill to see ANY drafts of the original unchanged Puzo drafts. They might be horrible, but it would be neat to see.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jun 27, 2021 11:54:53 GMT -5
www.darkhorizons.com/smallville-animated-sequel-series-planned/Look at Welling trying to make that easy money. WB seems to be willing to squeeze every last drop out of every old DC property they can so I can see them at least considering this. Smallville had a sizable following. I wouldn’t be interested in this since Superman & Lois scratches any itch for that part of the characters lives for me right now but I bet there are more than enough people that would give this a chance if it looked good. It wouldn’t be the first time a DC based live action series was continued in animation in some form. I’d like to see more done that way. This is probably the only way Welling would ever actually be Superman. He’d never put on the costume. This could either be set between the end of Smallville and Clarks appearance in COIE OR they could use the Crisis as a way to explain how anythings changed in the Smallville universe. Either way it’s hard to imagine them sticking to the Smallville season 11 comic word for word. Maybe they will but I have my doubts. I doubt it would happen but I’d LMAO if Allison Mack campaigned to be a part of this from prison. That would be one awkward phone call from her people. I wonder how the quality of the animation is going to be. If it's 3d and has their likenesses, that would be a great selling point. If it's cheaper animation with character designs I'm not crazy about and is hard to watch--- then just being a continuation of the Smallville storyline isn't enough for me, unless they're fantastic stories. It'd be weird if MANY of Smallville's supporting cast who had poor fates (some self-inflicted, of course)- wanted to be part of this show.... but.... who's the best judge on when a debt to society is repaid and they should work again? (Not me, I think)
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jun 27, 2021 11:50:23 GMT -5
Saw the episode in question... a lot of neat touches, but I think it'll play better when I get used to Hoechlin and Tulloch by seeing the season from episode 1 to now.
I don't think I usually get hung up on small stuff with scifi/fantasy, but I already got into a mini-argument with my friend who loves this episode on what bothered me- so, again, I think it's best I reserve judgement until I see this season as a whole.
But- it was neat to see the original costume in play and I liked a lot of the tiny homages to previous Superman versions.
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