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Post by crown on May 8, 2015 19:15:48 GMT -5
I don't think that was ever a consideration. The opening to STM is sooooo cool, besides you need a little bit of Kryptonian intrigue before you can get down to Jor-El sending Kal El to Earth.
I also love that by the end of the movie you totally have forgotten about the villains.
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Post by crown on May 8, 2015 1:59:47 GMT -5
At this point I do believe Clark would have reached his breaking point and would have at least wanted to punch Lois. I defy anyone to say that Clark wouldn't punch Lois in this particular situation.
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Post by crown on May 8, 2015 1:54:40 GMT -5
I don't completely hate SR CAM.. in fact I do respect the intentions (however misguided) behind SR. I also like certain parts of SR.
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Post by crown on May 8, 2015 1:51:46 GMT -5
AWWWWWWWWWWWW YEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!
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Post by crown on May 7, 2015 21:17:07 GMT -5
So in my SII cut I have a song that plays after the main theme during the end credits.... I think my selection fits very well but I was wondering if anyone here has any ideas of their own of fitting songs that apply to the themes ideas of SII.
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Post by crown on May 7, 2015 19:23:10 GMT -5
The trip was when he met Mankewticz and saw the Donner cut right? I think that's the reason he changed... because he realized the Salkinds/Lester realized the footage was mostly useless and knew they had to re-write/re-shoot, etc.
Problem is Gandalf didn't see the forrest for the trees... he assumed that since the Donner cut was crap then the Salkinds and Lester were right all along not realizing that the Donner cut is not representative AT ALL of how SII would have turned out had Donner actually completed it.
What the 2006 cut was was a curiosity piece nothing more.
I do think it's telling that hardcore Superman fans prefer the Lester cut and casual fans prefer the Donner cut though.. it proves that the Donner cut concepts are superior.. but that the hardcore fans are more emotionally attached to the what-ifs and shouda beens and overall potential of the picture.
Yeah SR was an embarrassment on so many levels and even though MOS was flawed in certain ways (and sadly the trailer suggested heights the picture ultimately didn't attain) it was still a fairly solid Superman movie and I can't wait for the sequels.
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Post by crown on May 7, 2015 14:44:14 GMT -5
GandalfDC finally watching the Donner cut in 2006 fundamentally changed him yes. It was like a priest dying and realizing there was no god.... you dedicate your entire life to something and then realize it was all a lie Superman Cinema in the day basically said everything in SII was shot except the fox hunt and the metro battle.... talk about going waaaaay overboard. 2006 was indeed a dark dark year to be a Superman fan... Superman Returns and then the Donner cut. :/
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Post by crown on May 7, 2015 8:05:24 GMT -5
I'm sorry old timer.... more personal insults will only get you suspended again. Anyway my stance against the hair continuity in SII stands. Suspended or not, you will remain an idiot for life. Not understanding the concept of the different hair for a 'human' Clark really makes me wonder that no one has realized you are just here trolling. You're not a very nice person are you Zuperman? Anyway how do you explain Clarks hair getting dry and puffy again when he returns to the diner to get revenge on Rocky? <crickets>
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Post by crown on May 5, 2015 23:31:43 GMT -5
i went to see avengers 2 on the weekend. thought it was boring. i can't distinguish between the first avengers and the second. in fact pretty much all modern superhero films blend into each other. there's always some machine in the sky that's threatening to destroy everything. by the way, how many steroids is chris hemsworth taking to look like Thor? I think that the genre of comic book movies is going to die sometime soon.. it's getting to be too much.
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Post by crown on May 5, 2015 22:31:31 GMT -5
Ok.... what would Clark have said/done if right after getting thrown through the diner glass window by Rocky Lois yelled out "Clark you wimp! I don't know how I ever could have considered you to be a Superman much less a MAN!!!"
Then if Lois started making out with Rocky right there in the diner and said "ohh Clark you coulda stopped this when you were Superman but now you're a crap weakling! Oh by the way how is your deceased father Jor-El? ... oh that's right you can't communicate with him anymore because of me hahaha."
Clark stands up and says "Lois how could you do this to me?"
Lois yells "Hey everyone this worthless jerk used to be Superman... why don't you all kick his booty and jack his clothes!"
Clark is then beaten by all the diner patrons and stripped naked and forced to walk home buck naked in the cold.
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Post by crown on May 5, 2015 17:35:13 GMT -5
Dear Mr. Thau
Forgive me for writing to you but the forum is talking about the Donner cut's lack of CGI villains today.
We're all very unhappy about it. And I said we should get Mr. Thau to create CGI villains because... only he could do it.
I don't care if everybody thinks I'm a space cadet once you've created CGI villains they'll see I was right.
Mr. Thau can make sure CGI Villains Rule the world quick and easy.
Thanks a lot I know you'll come through.
Your friend ATP.
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Post by crown on May 5, 2015 12:10:13 GMT -5
Mr. Thau would have said that he couldn't find all the nuclear missiles in the world so he would use the screen-tests instead.
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Post by crown on May 5, 2015 12:08:38 GMT -5
@ ATP
Yeah I think you hit the nail on the head---Superman was the equivalent of a cinematic god.
STM established him as pretty much invincible( the Lex kryptonite trick notwithstanding).
I remember watching Spiderman : The Dragon's Challenge a week or 2 before the STM/SII double bill back in 1981.
In that film Spiderman gets shot several times as well as being manhandled by bunch of Kung Fu baddies.
So in my 7 year old mind this established that a Superhero could be quite vulnerable----so when I watched STM I was blown away by just how invulnerable Supe's(compared to Spiderman) was!
So SII's impact was based on the premise that he could be matched by someone---in fact the SII trailer even emphasizes it!
"The adventure continues with the 3 villains from Krypton---Each one with the same powers as Superman!!!!" www.youtube.com/watch?v=68hRt0Pz7HI
How times have changed eh?!
But Lex says "3 super villains... each one with the same POWER he has" I remember thinking this just meant the villains had heat vision just like Superman.
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Post by crown on May 5, 2015 8:49:42 GMT -5
No the teacher never suggested Jeremy show the audacity to actually send a letter to Superman. She merely suggesting writing his congressman.
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Post by crown on May 4, 2015 20:48:06 GMT -5
So Jeremy was basically the catalyst for the near nuclear annihilation that occurred in SIV.
What would his proper punishment be?
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Post by crown on May 4, 2015 9:47:53 GMT -5
Yeah i wish he were still alive and also would have wanted him to contribute to the Donner Cut, SR, MOS, etc. However, I just feel that 20 + years in the chair would have been too much. If he were alive now there would be no point in holding out hope that he'd walk again I'll share that I was in a serious surgery (though not as bad as Reeve) where I had stuff down my throat, nose, and arm, and couldn't move or else I'd yank out the needles/etc. that felt like sheer torture and captivity, tough to breathe, can't move an inch, in pain, and conscious --- FIVE MINUTES would have felt like too much to me, let alone all that time Reeve was in that chair. I can't imagine (and don't want to) what a day- let alone a year (or years). That he chose not to end his life and keep going and focused, writing books and whatnot- amazing. We don't know how he would have managed with another 20. Hard to say, but maybe even one minute after that accident in that chair, I would have asked to be put out of my misery myself. Reeve was certainly an inspiring hero that he went on and did great work after his accident. I think that as big of a real life hero Reeve was post accident.. his wife Dana was that much more a hero so she was truly the Super-person. I just think that a few years into the 2000's Reeve really deteriorated physically because that time was do-or-die for him. He had to be cured shortly after 50 or it was never going to happen. He was so active and independent so it was so hard for him.... I think that keeping living with the accident under 10 years made it bearable and he could think of it as a temporary situation for several years. Once it would have been 10+ years post accident plus senior citizenship approaching it would have been too much I believe.
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Post by crown on May 4, 2015 7:01:30 GMT -5
Yeah i wish he were still alive and also would have wanted him to contribute to the Donner Cut, SR, MOS, etc. However, I just feel that 20 + years in the chair would have been too much. If he were alive now there would be no point in holding out hope that he'd walk again
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Post by crown on May 3, 2015 12:35:17 GMT -5
In all seriousness Chris should be played by Only Reeve People... his son's Matt or Will Reeve.
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Post by crown on May 3, 2015 10:15:39 GMT -5
Yeah it's fitting that at the end of SII he beats up Rocky because he's an a$$hole throughout all of Superman III.
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Post by crown on May 3, 2015 9:24:33 GMT -5
He already did:
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Post by crown on May 3, 2015 8:45:03 GMT -5
No Brandon Routh would.... he could really use the work.
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Post by crown on May 3, 2015 7:03:21 GMT -5
Not to mention aggressive and mean. He's annoyed at Jimmy on the bus, he shouts loudly at the fireman, he gives the tracker driver the evil eye etc.
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Post by crown on May 3, 2015 5:59:42 GMT -5
seriously when will this be made?
Also I really hate to say this but is anyone here kind of glad he passed away in 2004?
If Reeve were still alive today he's still be in a wheelchair and have spent 20 years confined to it and be nearly a senior citizen. There's no way at all he'd have any hope left since we're still nowhere near a cure for paralysis.
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Post by crown on May 3, 2015 2:37:56 GMT -5
He would have made his version of SII which had an ending that would conclude the Reeve Superman series entirely.
Terence Stamp even said that the original idea was that STM and SII were to be a 2 parter with nothing ever coming after it.. when Lesticle came in to re-shoot he basically opened the doors for more (terrible) sequels.
A proper SII should be billed as "The Epic Conclusion" to the Superman saga just like the Dark Knight Rises was the end of Batman's story.
To wit, Selutron's ending for SII should have been Lois dying, Superman finding out his powers returning was only temporary and him being forced to live the rest of his life without Lois and as a mortal but at least the villains were defeated.
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Post by crown on May 3, 2015 2:27:52 GMT -5
If only they had made Lois larger as well... Mrs. Teschmacher was only in so many scenes... we needed a larger Lois to properly give the audience sufficient eye candy
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