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Post by crown on Mar 13, 2015 21:16:05 GMT -5
Well the above graphic was meant to demonstrate how unfathomable the notorious Superman Jeremy hotdog picture is. How could this picture be taken? Was it just indicative of a rushed/uncaring 1/2 assed production?
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Post by crown on Mar 12, 2015 1:39:42 GMT -5
Ever notice how in Niagra Clark gave Lois BOTH the hotdogs? Lois eventually gave Clark's crusty 7 year old hotdog to Jeremy which he held up in front of Superman to tease him.. when Supes found out he was pissed.
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Post by crown on Mar 11, 2015 23:33:51 GMT -5
The phone booth change was dumb because when Clark transformed the we first thing we see is Supes....... boot? Dumb.
Also we need a shirts rip on screen to spell-out that Clark IS Superman.
Regarding MOS yes it would be hard to have the chest plate under a shirt and not have it noticeable... how to get out of this predicament? Willing suspension of disbelief like how can Supes tuck the cape down his pants? Or how in SIII Clark's tie comes undone like butter?
I dunno.
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Post by crown on Mar 10, 2015 4:35:25 GMT -5
My problem in SIV is that we constantly see Clark change in Superman by going past a wall or through a door but we never get an iconic shirt rip.
In every Superman film, the first time we see Clark change into Superman must be an iconic major shirt-ripping event. Every transformation thereafter need not be showy or indeed shown at all.
Another problem in SIV was why didn't Superman just hand out ecstasy tablets to the school children in Jeremy's class? He sure as poop wasn't going to free them from the danger of nuclear annihilation... he gave Jeremy some POS excuse about the UN leaders having ultimate control over America's national strategic interests.. so why not just drug them all up to ease their pain?
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Post by crown on Mar 9, 2015 14:51:40 GMT -5
Uhh... the Mankewitcz SII didn't even have Superman in it until the Metro Battle.
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Post by crown on Mar 9, 2015 2:06:49 GMT -5
STM: Cheerios
SII: Wet'n wild inc vibrator beds.
SIII: SLING! Singapore SLING!
SIV: Pepto-bismol brand ladywear.
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Post by crown on Mar 9, 2015 2:00:01 GMT -5
Well first of all I highly doubt Don's Diner serves pizza... so it made no sense for Clark to go there. Unless he went to a pizza joint next door and decided to quickly drop into Don's diner to bust some heads for old time sake.
So yes, Lois did in fact get her pizza. Of course she didn't actually tell Clark what she wanted on the pizza...
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Post by crown on Mar 6, 2015 23:03:46 GMT -5
At least in Superman IV we get a lot of Superman action... can't say that about the other films. In fact I'd say Supes gets more screen time in IV than any of the other films
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Post by crown on Mar 6, 2015 23:00:45 GMT -5
Well maybe the diner rematch should have been comical to make the first diner beating seem more brutal by comparison.
Clark could come into the diner to get Lois her pizza and see Rocky scarfing down food. Clark orders the pizza and throws the pie at Rocky covering him with pizza "Gee that's a nice shirt Rocky.... did it come with extra cheese?" Clark quips as he leaves the diner in triumph.
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Post by crown on Mar 3, 2015 22:57:28 GMT -5
When you think about it were the flying cardboard bits any worse then the rag dolls flying around in SII?
Nothing in SIV even approaches how horrible Supe's alley take off looks in SII.. the shot that comes close is when Supes gets "dragged" toward the bottom left of the screen after tussling with Nuclear man but even that shot has not one but two flying people and even has a sound effect for Superman so it beats the alley shot.
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Post by crown on Mar 3, 2015 22:50:25 GMT -5
I actually wish the diner fight was more brutal to make Superman's triumphant return all the more sweet.
I'm not saying Rocky should have dragged Clark back to the bathroom, forced him the bite the urine encrusted toilet bowl rim and curb stomp him... but he should have hit Clark bad a bunch more times after Clark got in a hit or two.
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Post by crown on Mar 3, 2015 4:30:18 GMT -5
Some of those cardboard shots are actually slightly different though.... look at the subway chase when the piece of card board jumps passed the disinterested audience right before Supes pounds his mighty boot on the subway track.. looks slightly different....
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Post by crown on Mar 3, 2015 4:15:36 GMT -5
I don't think the trucker who passed him was the bully... but it would be funny if it was!! Talk about adding insult to injury Rocky kicks the living snot out of Clark and then passes his booty on the road to boot!
Talk about an awkward conversation in the truck if "Rocky" had opted to pick Clark up..... I can imagine Rocky nervously smoking a cigarette in a corner of the fortress while Clark is talking to Jor-El praying he isn't killed when Clark gets his powers back.
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Post by crown on Feb 26, 2015 3:10:51 GMT -5
Richard would have eventually found out that Jason was Superman's son even if he was in a state on denial in SR.
He also knew Lois didn't really love him and was only with him because he passed off as a poor man's version of Superman.
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Post by crown on Feb 18, 2015 15:46:21 GMT -5
Why did Clark walk back? There obviously was a road when he was unceremoniously passed by the truck. You'd think Lois would sell her billion dollar apartment to rent Clark a gulf stream jet for the day too.
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Post by crown on Feb 18, 2015 2:07:03 GMT -5
Well as great as the diner scene was part of me wishes Clark and Lois had reached Metropolis before Clark realized he had to go back.
We at least needed more scenes with Clark and Lois after the de-power. I imagine Donner would have shot a lot more had he returned.
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Post by crown on Feb 16, 2015 21:08:19 GMT -5
Yeah that shot did bug me a lot too. However, give me a piece of cardboard that actually looks like Reeve anyway over the flying rag dolls they used in SII. I think the cardboard shot gets a bad rep just because it's re-used again and again. But imagine of the SII shot of the blurry traveling matte shot of Supes flying upward from the alley was used again and again... woulda been much worse.
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Post by crown on Feb 16, 2015 21:04:51 GMT -5
Back to Lacey working in the barnyard... did Clark really expect her to become a farmer in Smallville? Seems a stretch for a classy sophisticated member of chic high society like Lacey to throw it all away to become a yokel and milk cows and slaughter pigs on a farm. I'm sure she would been hounded by Brad at some point too who we all know is God's gift to Smallville women.
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Post by crown on Feb 16, 2015 21:00:53 GMT -5
Well Lester could have easily dubbed over Lois saying coke and made her say orange juice.
Another really weird thing is that Lois seemingly wants a hot dog when they pull up to the joint but then proceeds to order a hamburger....
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Post by crown on Feb 14, 2015 0:16:34 GMT -5
I do hope to see the metro scene.. it was probably the best deleted scene that we could have had and they left it out.
I think we're entitled to see every bit of Reeve Superman/Clark footage that's out there.
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Post by crown on Feb 14, 2015 0:09:52 GMT -5
I can't believe no one has ever noticed this before but there is one single gapping plot hole in Superman II that not a single viewer has ever called attention to.
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At the diner Lois orders a coke instead of fresh OJ!
Makes no sense and to this day I can't understand why this is in the movie.
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Post by crown on Feb 13, 2015 20:50:49 GMT -5
Hmmm.. perhaps Michael Thau can try his hand at a re-edit of SIV?
Probably would be a good learning experience for him to make a terrible movie slightly less terrible.
Perhaps a longer edit would be worse however, say what you want about SIV but that picture moves never a single moment that drags in all of it's speedy 89 minutes.
Also the effects are maybe not that bad?
I think by the time SIV came out we already believed a man could fly so they could more easily get away with flying cardboard shots and stick and chewing gum barely holding up the harness under Superman's spare-tire; they did their homework FX -wise already in the previous films to suspend our disbelief.
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Post by crown on Feb 13, 2015 9:02:44 GMT -5
Can someone tell me why the relationship didn't work out?
In the deleted scene Lacy says that things might have worked out with Clark if she had abandoned her gold-digging exploitative ways sooner... but why was it too late for them?
There should have been a scene after the credits with Lacey plowing the fields of the Kent Farm with her trusty mule only to look up wipe the sweat off her brow and smile and we hear a car pull up (the viewer can decide that it's Clark coming back to be with her.)
The way the theatrical ended it seemed like maybe Lacey burned up upon re-entry into the Earth's atmosphere?
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Post by crown on Feb 12, 2015 3:30:08 GMT -5
I agree Jimmy Olsen did develop more in Supergirl than in SIV. I think that's because in SIV they tried to go "back to basics" which basically meant a rehash of STM and SII elements in many respects.
The budget really was the killer, it's a shame they didn't have the money to actually show Superman ripping off the tip of a nuclear warhead just like on the VHS cover. They had to resort to long shots of silhouetted pencils being tossed against a lamp to achieve the missile collect-a-thon.
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Post by crown on Feb 3, 2015 3:08:50 GMT -5
A SV would have been awesome and probably inevitable Reeve probably knew he needed a great Superman movie after the disaster of SIV.
Something tells me that had Reeve lived we would have eventually seen him return as Superman in an older Kingdom Come type film probably around the time SR eventually came out instead.
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