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Post by booshman on Apr 10, 2012 0:49:31 GMT -5
Thanks for all the positive feedback everyone! Cam: I might have a go at having him fly out of the fortress, but I'll only use it if I can get it to look spot on. Jimbo: No, I'm not using the Lester depowering, but I might edit the way I did for my last edit and combine the 2 versions in a way that means there is no body double for Reeve. vimeo.com/38841599I was thinking about adding Lois in to the wide shot. If I can get suitable footage, I'll give it a go. Also, the music isn't final and needs the levels finalising. It's also in 5.1 in my project but gets exported out as stereo, so that's a factor to consider too. Tyler: If you can post a clip with your alternate music cue I'll give it a watch. I quite like it as is, but I'm open to suggestions.
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Post by booshman on Apr 9, 2012 6:35:58 GMT -5
Great work! Cheers
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Post by booshman on Apr 9, 2012 6:12:34 GMT -5
Here's an updated version of the "Home Movies" clip, with more complete effects. vimeo.com/40003570
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Post by booshman on Apr 9, 2012 5:13:26 GMT -5
But the best experience ever was in 2008 at the London BFI National Film Theatre for STM 30th Anniversary - great cinema, big screen, amazing sound (it was the 2001 new version) - but it was sold out and the atmosphere was brilliant - all the laughs and cheers in the right places - and I started everyone clapping at the end as Reeve smiles at the camera! I took my brother and sister with me to that showing! Special times, it was an amazing experience.
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Post by booshman on Apr 7, 2012 22:37:15 GMT -5
Imo, Singer was following STM/SII's allegory of Superman and Jorel as Christ/God to another level.... It IS 'passion of the christ' meets 'Superman'.... which is ballsy for doing so in a summer blockbuster film, and I loved enough of it. It's funny you say that. I remember talking to an acquaintance of mine, not a Superman fan by any means, but interested enough to go to see Superman Returns in the cinema. I asked him what he thought, and he told me he didn't like it. When I asked him why, the first reason he gave was that there was too much religious bullpoop for his tastes, and if he wanted to watch a film about Jesus, he would have watched Passion of the Christ.
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Post by booshman on Apr 6, 2012 8:19:01 GMT -5
Thanks for that. It'a a really nice theme when you get rid of the annoying noise they added for the credits flying by.
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Post by booshman on Apr 3, 2012 11:45:00 GMT -5
Sounds like you agree with me too.
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Post by booshman on Apr 3, 2012 9:14:16 GMT -5
If it ever did happen again, it's going to be that last time it happens, and I want the person doing it to have solid credentials, and I don't think the clips posted so far are enough Normally I disagree with you Boosh, but you were able to do the crystal chamber in the DC Lex at the FOS scene the same way Sel did. So since you've proven to me that Sel isn't the ONLY person capable of the job, I'm not gonna try and defend Sel as some sort of fan edit god lol. That's the thing, even if he was a renowned faneditor, with a string of edits to his credit, he would used to working with limited available material. Also, when working on your own you've got as long as you need to create what you want. So to go from that to working to a deadline, having all the uncut footage available, and co-ordinating a group of others to get the thing completed is quite a jump. The project was too big for Michael Thau as it would be for a lot of people. Sel is an unknown quantity barring a handful of clips, I'd prefer someone with more of a proven track record at the helm.
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Post by booshman on Apr 3, 2012 0:23:41 GMT -5
The one on the top is fan made, it's been on the net for a while now. That's what the unofficial Man of Steel Facebook page was using as their profile picture. Ah, cheers Keith.
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Post by booshman on Apr 2, 2012 23:30:09 GMT -5
It is nice to see the stuff in higher res, for sure. I think the thing that keeps wholehearted support from all quarters is pure skepticism with different factors this time around that are just giant unknowns--- But, because of so few details, it FEELS more like a pipe dream, One of the main unknowns being Sel himself. I think it's cool he got to show his stuff to Mank, and that Gandy and Jim Bowers are behind him. But to the rest of us he's a bit of an enigma, and he's also been of the radar for a long time. We've never really a direct communication with him, other than a few statements, and know little else other than the clips we've seen and that he wants to do this with WB. I'm just wondering what qualifies Sel to be the guy to do this, if he is allowed to at all? If it ever did happen again, it's going to be that last time it happens, and I want the person doing it to have solid credentials, and I don't think the clips posted so far are enough. Six years ago Donner said that Thau was the best guy for the job, and look how that that turned out. I'm a real skeptic, and would love nothing more than to be proved wrong, but until I hear something more concrete I won't be getting my hopes up too much.
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Post by booshman on Apr 2, 2012 22:42:31 GMT -5
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Post by booshman on Apr 1, 2012 0:26:21 GMT -5
Please don't misunderstand me Boosh. I'm not trying to knock at what you've done, or what any of us do. Like you I am very happy with the things I've learned in this hobby of ours. When I say fruitless I don't mean within our circle, or even for people that we invite into it (showing friends and family a fan cut of a movie). We all admire and appreciate the magic we're able to create with our tools and imagination here. I'm VERY proud of what I've created, and what all of you have created as well. More-so than studio released films. Nor do I think validation is needed from WB directly. What I mean is, hundreds of years from now, people will still have to choose between the 2 versions available now, and be disappointed either way. Sel wants there to be a new version that puts both official versions to shame, and to rest. It's a much bigger picture he's looking at. He has a vision that someday no one will nitpick or joke about things like the cellophane S, the amnesia kiss, or in the DC case, bad editing, bad takes, overused music, horrible special effects, and re-using the ending from the first film. He wants there to be only 1 version, the best version (or at least a version that's better than the other 2). And in that context, fan-editing looks like nothing more than a waste of time for the 99.9% of people who don't share in our vision. I still like to think that, maybe if someone who has control of things hears about all the fan cuts that have been made over the years since the Donner Cuts release, maybe they'll give the film another chance. However, I'm sure George Lucas is aware of all the fan cuts of the prequels (and believe me there's A LOT), and he probably doesn't care either way. Then again, there was a lot of buzz going when that actor (whose name I cant remember) did a fan cut that combined all 3 prequels into one 85 minute film. I know you're not having a pop at me or other editors You mention wanting a verison no-one will nit-pick, but as far as I see the only people who nit-pick this movie are right here. There's one thing I'm sure of and that is you can't please everyone. However good a new official version is, whether it's done by Sel or WB on their own or whatever. What would be the first thing to happen when it was released? There would be a load of people writing their cut lists for a fanedit, myself included no doubt. There is never going to be a version to suit everyone and a newer better cut, if it get's new footage released, will be a great thing for us who care, but I don't really think the masses give a poop. The majority of casual viewers see STM as a kids film, so even if you get SII up to that standard, who ultimately will care? In hundreds of years time do you think people are going to be storing entertainment on discs? Bought from stores? If anyone is even around in a few hundred years, everything will be digital download, or some yet unknown upgrade to that. So if you never have any physical media, what's the difference between a film edited by a studio, and one edited by a fan? The technology is available now for fans to make versions of films with comparible quality to studio releases. The only difference being that the studio has access to all the original uncut materials. I'm sure in a few hundred years you could run a simulation of whatever your perfect version of any fim would be, so what purpose official versions would serve then I don't know. If Sel wants to do a cut for the ages, then I think it's an honourable but ultimately pointless effort. Personally I want Superman II while I'm young and I can get down and boogie, boogie boogie.
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Post by booshman on Mar 31, 2012 23:49:37 GMT -5
Hot, but no. No, I do not like peeeeeeeenk. Holy poop NO!! + = FAIL
I'm very glad they chose none of the above.
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Post by booshman on Mar 31, 2012 0:28:54 GMT -5
It took me a long time, but I finally understand why Sel is hesitant to simply release his vision as a fan cut, and why he wants something official. So that years from now casual movie-goers won't have to choose between the 2 versions OFFICIALLY released, and be disappointed either way. What we do is noble, but in the end fruitless. Decades from now no one will know what we've achieved by fixing this film, or any fan edit of any film for that matter. The only thing that counts is an official release. THAT'S why Sel started his crusade. Got to really disagree here. Whether or not a version is released officially isn't important. If a fanedit is better, then that's the version I'll go to time and again. Casual movie goers can stick with what's available on Amazon if that's enough for them, but fans with an interest will dig further and find a version to suit them. This goes for any fanedited movie, (Imagine Adywan holding out for Lucas to release his edits officially). I don't think that the mass audience really gives a frack about Superman II in any form. Many folk I have spoken to are unaware of the Donner Cut, and haven't seen the theatrical in years. So in holding out for an official release, I think Sel is ultimately only depriving the people who really want to see his cut. If WB said they wanted to release my edit, ultimately who would care, other than the people who already know about fanedits and have it available to them for free. I also wouldn't say that what faneditors do is fruitless at all. Sure it doesn't pay the bills, and we're not going to receive worldwide acclaim, but fruitless it is not. Personally, I've been editing Superman II on and off for 7 years. Even before the Donner Cut was announced I was vaginaing about trying to make the Lester version more to my liking. I've since then gained a greater technical knowledge, met some really cool and interesting people, and had one of my edits screened publicly. I don't think that all the time and effort I've put in needs validation by a WB release. I've created stuff primarily for my own sake, which also happens to be of interest to some other like minded people. I think Sel should just take the bluray releases and create his version from what's out there already. I won't set the world on fire, but the people who care will have finally get to see his vision.
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Post by booshman on Mar 30, 2012 0:47:23 GMT -5
Yeah they do, it's really worth a watch. I never knew there was so much bongdage in WW comics, kinky stuff back in the day. William Marston, WW's creator, was into stuff like female submission and the erotic nature of it. He basically had two "wives." He also did work that helped in the development of the polygraph. All this made its way into his work on Wonder Woman. Yeah, they go into this a fair bit in the documentary. He had some weird logic that meant that through submission women were empowered.
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Post by booshman on Mar 29, 2012 0:17:14 GMT -5
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Post by booshman on Mar 28, 2012 8:42:10 GMT -5
He doesn't look to have aged much.
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Post by booshman on Mar 28, 2012 7:47:35 GMT -5
Do they talk about other DC heroes as well? Like (ahem) Batman and Wonder Woman? Yeah they do, it's really worth a watch. I never knew there was so much bongdage in WW comics, kinky stuff back in the day.
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Post by booshman on Mar 28, 2012 7:39:32 GMT -5
At the end of the day Spacey's Lex was just more sinister than Hackman's Lex. No chance. Am amazed that anyone can think that. Brando IS outstanding, he was absolutely magnificent and the Jor-El scenes are my favourite moments in the entire series by some distance. Got to agree that Hackan wins in the sinister stakes. Both have a big comedic element to them, one an imitation of the other , but Hackman definitely has it over Spacey. Take their intros for one example. We learn Spacey Lex has been banging old Gertrude and he scares a kid with a wig. Hackman Lex throws a cop under a train I don't think Spacey manages to top that during Returns. He comes close shanking Supes, but no quite. Now if Spacey was more like he was in Se7en, when he played Lex, he would have easily surpassed Hackman in the sinister stakes. As for Brando, he is fracking incredible in the scenes on Krypton. The monologue is outstanding, which is in part great writing, but the delivery is superb. I think some of the fortress stuff (in the Donner Cut), when he's just a head isn't as spot on as the Krypton stuff, but you never know what other takes they had that weren't used. Superman the Movie though. He was worth every piece of gold they paid him in.
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Post by booshman on Mar 24, 2012 4:01:25 GMT -5
Watching how proud he sounds about his adlibbed slapstick section of the Metro battle is infuriating. Also, the discussion he has with Reeve when filming Clark crossing the road and is hit with the cab, . Of course hitting a brick wall would do a lot of damage to the cab, but as far as anyone knows, Clark has little in common with a brick wall. Lester, for the most part, just didn't get it. It makes me think that the moments he got it really right; the alley change/ junkyard shirt rip, might have had little to do with him.
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Post by booshman on Mar 21, 2012 9:04:56 GMT -5
1. Concorde scene. I don't care if this was originally shot for S1. I want it in. After Supes' repowering, before he appears at the DP would be my choice for placement. Any other suggestions are welcome. 2. Extended villains moon dialogue/White House dialogue. I like Ursa to be as evil as possible. 3. Extended dialogue btwn. Supes and Lois outside the FOS. Since ending the film with lois knowing his secret AND being ok with it is my personal best ending choice, the added lois lines (buying my own little rainbow...etc) helps emphasize this. As well as the music (they re-used the music from the pink bear reveal scene). 1. I don't care for this scene at all. It looks really cobbled together and the last flying effect, the cardboard cut-out barrel roll, looks awful. 2. I can take or leave these additions. being more used to the theatrical cut, I don't really miss them not being there. 3. I agree here, I really missed those lines in the Donner Cut. It's weird the they went through all the trouble of unearthing the footage and getting it in a useable state, and then with the goal of showing Superman II as originally conceived, edited parts like this out.
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Post by booshman on Mar 20, 2012 9:38:12 GMT -5
SR isnt even close to SIV in terms of heart and soul. It's is played a few times on the piano though.
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Post by booshman on Mar 20, 2012 7:11:32 GMT -5
(if anyone has or can edit those two together then I'd like to see it...) I had a crack at it for my last fanedit. It's not perfect, but here's how it came out. vimeo.com/38841599
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Post by booshman on Mar 20, 2012 7:10:02 GMT -5
I mentioned earlier in the thread that I was planning on building a crystal console to go with my Hot Toys Reeve. Well today I got the lights installed so I took some pics for you guys to have a look at. I'm far from finished, as only the main unit is done. I plan on adding in all the surrounding units and getting them lit up too. As I have very limited tools where I am living now, and am without easy access to ideal supplies, this is very much scrounged together. My materials have been: plastic straws a Ferrero Rocher container foam board white xmas fairy lights a dried fruit container (the tube) white electric tape green plastic drik stirer a lot of sand paper
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Post by booshman on Mar 20, 2012 4:24:39 GMT -5
Cheers CAM, nice one!
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