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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jul 28, 2009 1:12:56 GMT -5
Not necessarily.... my own guess is that towards the end, in the FOS, Supes goes into the chamber, but that the phantom zone had been restored and Supes sends the villains into it, as he'd re-rigged the crystals. After that, my guess is memory kiss after that.
Given that Selutron (presumably) only has access to footage from the movies and bts footage, (or other films)- that the options can't be all THAT much for a new ending. Curious, but personally I'm more curious about his metropolis battle footage.
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Post by smd on Jul 28, 2009 1:59:53 GMT -5
Not necessarily.... my own guess is that towards the end, in the FOS, Supes goes into the chamber, but that the phantom zone had been restored and Supes sends the villains into it, as he'd re-rigged the crystals. After that, my guess is memory kiss after that. Given that Selutron (presumably) only has access to footage from the movies and bts footage, (or other films)- that the options can't be all THAT much for a new ending. Curious, but personally I'm more curious about his metropolis battle footage. Reading your post, it sounds like you think that Superman might go back into the chamber after the villains are defeated in order to lose his powers again and be with Lois! Maybe Selutrons final shot is Lesters 'just say you love me' bit in the fortress and the two live as mortals happily ever after .... and the end credits could play over them snuggling in the hammock... oh god if that's the ending then.... just  no.... And for the diner rematch scene, Selutron could just show Clark getting beat up again too. Now that would definitely be a heartbreaking ending! |
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Post by Gandy on Jul 28, 2009 2:43:32 GMT -5
The problem with that strategy is that it could build up TOO much anticipation, and anything that comes out could be a major disappointment- Still, hopefully he can get some new cut out of WB, but..... That's the only viable strategy available to us. Warners showed momentary concern: "No one knows this ending, right?" They were assured that no one knows it. There is no right strategy, but this is the way it's gonna happen, for the good of the project. |
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Post by Gandy on Jul 28, 2009 2:56:29 GMT -5
Well... this new ending is a major tease! Maybe you can at least elaborate on your review of this ending Gandy? Were you really impressed by it? If so, were you more impressed on a technical level or a narrative one? Just how emotional is this ending... does it trump the powerful ending of STM when Lois dies? After seeing this ending, is it now the ending that you yourself would prefer in any version of SII? And does it seem so obvious in retrospect that this is the ending of the two part saga? Does knowing this ending change the way you view the two films? An ending you didn't see coming huh? Gosh it feels like there's not too many ways it could end. Either Supes leaves Lois knowing or he uses the magic kiss,.... what else is there? I'm thinking that there must be some footage that he uses from the other Superman movies.. but what? Well anything you would say regarding this ending would be appreciated by this die hard and ultra curious fan who laments at having to wait prolly years until a new Superman film comes out to really learn anything else about Selutrons cut. BTW, does he have an entire cut and did you see it? In any case I'm sure we'll all see this ending someday, but of course, it will prolly be years from now.  Initially I wasn't impressed by it, infact I had a lot of questions. It took a while for me to come around and say "great ending". Films live and die by their endings, f*ck it up and the audience will not forgive you. But this film isn't just the ending, though, it's the whole 2 hours. I've seen everything Selutron has done, the same presentation shown to WB. |
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Post by Conor on Jul 28, 2009 3:03:33 GMT -5
He makes it so he never arrived on Earth at all maybe??
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Post by smd on Jul 28, 2009 3:31:55 GMT -5
Well... if it were me my best idea would be to have Superman himself die at the end.
When Superman was infused with the power of Jor-El, it returned his powers, but the intensity of the energy made it so Kal-El would only have a short while until his body gave out and he would pass away.
I think going with the whole Christ allegory would necessitate Superman dying at the end.
Can you imagine the conflict there... with Kal-El choosing certain death over a lifetime with Lois just for the chance to save humanity?
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Post by HOSNI on Jul 28, 2009 3:39:44 GMT -5
Could be wrong, but I vaguely recall Selutron mentioned something about it needing to (loosely) tie into Superman Returns - and that his approach helped achieve that.
Turning mortal again or dying? wow thats nuts
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Post by matt on Jul 28, 2009 13:46:14 GMT -5
I know WB would market new special effects. I hope I will like the new ending if it ever gets released. I wouldn't care what the ending would be since it his fan edit. Since he wants his edit to be an official edit I care more what the ending will be. Sound to me like the ending changes the tone of the whole movie. Not hyping it up, I hope it is better than the DC ending that made no sense whatsoever. If he were able to get access to all the Reeve footage that he needs I,II,III I wonder if he will change anything. This is the only thing to look forward to since there is no movement on the new Superman Movie.
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Post by atp on Jul 28, 2009 15:21:59 GMT -5
This is how it ends
SPOILER
Superman goes into the chamber at the end, but it goes wrong and turns him evil. He then joins up with the villains, and the four of them (five if you count Non twice) go around the world to rule it and destroy key monuments.
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jul 28, 2009 16:26:29 GMT -5
;D
No.... I'm thinking the first time he goes into the chamber, that the Phantom Zone 'record jacket' appears in the FOS and swallows the villains up- but since he's safe in the chamber, it doesn't affect him. (and since it (maybe) only affects Kryptonians...)-
then the rest of it is re-cut so that that's the last we see of the villains.
In any case, I agree with Gandy that it's the whole 2 hours that would be important to be juiced up- it was never a case of just the ending that was a little wonky about either the LC or RDC..... ;(
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Post by Paul (ral) on Jul 28, 2009 18:42:16 GMT -5
This is how it ends Superman goes into the chamber at the end, but it goes wrong and turns him evil. No, he goes into the chamber but a fly goes in too! New tag line - "You'll believe a man is a fly" |
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Post by atp on Jul 29, 2009 1:09:16 GMT -5
This is how it ends Superman goes into the chamber at the end, but it goes wrong and turns him evil. No, he goes into the chamber but a fly goes in too! New tag line - "You'll believe a man is a fly" ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by ukdrummajor on Jul 29, 2009 3:15:28 GMT -5
This is how it ends SPOILER Superman goes into the chamber at the end, but it goes wrong and turns him evil. He then joins up with the villains, and the four of them (five if you count Non twice) go around the world to rule it and destroy key monuments. scarily, as much as your joking i reckon that would be a heck of a cliff-hanger to leave it on! |
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Post by smd on Jul 29, 2009 21:22:54 GMT -5
Could be wrong, but I vaguely recall Selutron mentioned something about it needing to (loosely) tie into Superman Returns - and that his approach helped achieve that. Turning mortal again or dying? wow thats nuts Well if it somehow ties into Superman Returns then it will have to end with either A.) Lois finding out she's pregnant or B.) Superman leaving for Krypton or C.) Lex in jail saying "ah darn my land scheme didn't work and going to the fortress to find Superman's secret didn't work! I know... I'll just go to the fortress again so I can plot another land scheme again!" Then they show the warden roll his eyes.  I don't know how option A. could be achieved and option B. would make absolutely no sense. A main reason that I didn't like SR being a "sequel" to SII is that it would make no sense at all for Superman to leave Earth for five years right after defeating the villains. Superman was gone for, what, a week in SII and look what happened in his absence! There would be no way in all heck he'd leave for so long again! |
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Post by HOSNI on Jul 30, 2009 1:38:30 GMT -5
It's hard to speculate, it could go so many ways yet would be dependant on available footage and creative license.
Personally I'd love to see it end with Superman. Perhaps back in the Daily Planet - engineer the circumstances in a way that there's some form of emergency - with the film ending with Clark running out of the building, alleyway shirt rip - off to save the day.
Roll credits.
Yes I know thats Lester footage, but DAMN it's iconic Superman 2 and such a shame to leave on the cutting room floor, regardless of the Director.
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Post by smd on Jul 30, 2009 20:43:12 GMT -5
Actually, given that Sel has utilized a ton of shots from SII and SIII, I wouldn't be surprised if he sticks the shirt rip in there  |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Jul 30, 2009 21:09:42 GMT -5
That would be easy enough to do- Just stick the beginning of Clark hearing about a new emergency from Perry White from SII at the very end- and cut to the credits after the shirt rip/flyby. If that's the new ending, it's pretty loooooow tech. |
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Post by smd on Jul 30, 2009 21:16:03 GMT -5
I suppose that ending could lead into Superman redeemed; the hybrid edit of theatrical SII, SIII and SIV
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Post by HOSNI on Jul 30, 2009 23:30:43 GMT -5
Well what about this:
• Daily Planet
• News Flash “astronomers have spotted several asteroids speeding towards earth which need to stopped. These same astronomers have said the characteristics of the debris has come from a much larger object of the same materials” (which of course creates speculation it’s a big part of Krypton – which inspires Supes to leave town and check it out)
• But in order to stop the speeding debris he runs from the building – alleyway change – zoom off into space
• End film
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Post by Rod on Aug 1, 2009 23:59:55 GMT -5
Well what about this: • Daily Planet • News Flash “astronomers have spotted several asteroids speeding towards earth which need to stopped. These same astronomers have said the characteristics of the debris has come from a much larger object of the same materials” (which of course creates speculation it’s a big part of Krypton – which inspires Supes to leave town and check it out) • But in order to stop the speeding debris he runs from the building – alleyway change – zoom off into space • End film That is it! i am pretty sure you got it. A very nice end if you ask me. And what about Lois? |
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Post by HOSNI on Aug 3, 2009 2:32:55 GMT -5
Who knows?
I'd hope Selutron doesn't use time reversal at the conclusion of his part 2. You might recall he used that existing plot point as the recap at the start of part 2 (beautifully I might add - to depict the implications of defying his father and to explain some strange dialogue we all got used to)
Assuming he doesn't use it again - it would make sense to leave Lois pregnant and alone - probably on her balcony.
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Post by Gandy on Aug 3, 2009 2:39:34 GMT -5
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Post by Kirok on Aug 3, 2009 2:51:28 GMT -5
Some interesting ideas here I wonder what that means... It would be nice if the alley change could be incorporated somehow, it's one of the most iconic scenes in the series. Regardless, I have to think whatever ending Selutron has devised features footage from the other films. As has already been said, there's just not much to work with as-is. I'm all for cannibalizing SIII, and he's shown he has no qualms about that. He'd have to be pretty selective if he were to take anything from SIV; it obviously doesn't match SII as well. The couple of shots he has used from it I wish he'd found alternative shots from the first three films, but I trust he's gone over them with a fine tooth comb and that's the best he could do. |
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Post by HOSNI on Aug 3, 2009 3:12:17 GMT -5
Well said Kirok. Do you remember this scene from SIII before Webster starts launching rockets?  I'd love to see this shot but with him flying down into Metropolis, all up it goes for about 10 seconds and is quite graceful. There's much more gold in there which could be (as you say) canabilised. |
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Post by SuperSnooper on Aug 3, 2009 7:14:10 GMT -5
Just a pity Warner Bros didn't take advantage of Superman's 70th anniversary last year, could have had a new cut of Superman II and a sequel to Superman Returns.
Ah well.
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