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Post by Metallo on Aug 11, 2013 8:33:00 GMT -5
That suit looks like the retarded bastard child of the Reeve suit and the Cain suit.
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Post by atp on Aug 11, 2013 11:18:32 GMT -5
I also think I'll watch SR again from beginning to end.
I don't think I have sat through the whole thing since 2006.
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Post by ye5man on Aug 11, 2013 11:26:15 GMT -5
You won't do it ATP!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2013 14:25:12 GMT -5
Jesus, it's just a movie. You guys act like it's getting a root canal. Just watch the fucking thing.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2013 14:26:24 GMT -5
This is why we need a muscular Superman   Yeah, he's not built like a brick shithouse, but at least PeeWee here isn't some fat fuck trying to squeeze into his spandex. |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 15, 2013 11:17:45 GMT -5
Yeah, I hated the changes that Burton did initially- but I'm more forgiving of it and maybe even appreciate it more now that I feel like the 'definitive' Batman movies had been made with Batman Begins and TDK.... and I can now appreciate the Burton films as 'Burton's fan film versions' as it doesn't supplant the 'real' ones that came later.
STM actually isn't the 'perfect' adaptation of Superman for my own tastes- there are changes that I thought weren't that great/ I wasn't and still am not thrilled with (Krypton mostly all old men, Jorel needing to lose weight, Lex as comic relief, and that changing time ending)- but overall there's so much that I feel is PERFECT to what I'd imagined in reading the comics (ie Smallville, Superman's first appearance- actually BETTER than the comics).... that it's still the gold standard as far as I'm concerned- and for the reason you mentioned- it felt like Donner went the extra mile to try to make it as close as possible to the material when they could. Personally, I'm thrilled that Donner didn't feel like he needed to make Superman lose the trunks for the 70's.
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Post by Jimbo on Aug 15, 2013 12:58:47 GMT -5
This is why we need a muscular Superman General! Would you care to step outside.....GLAVIN! |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 18, 2013 14:52:47 GMT -5
Don't know if this had been mentioned yet- but I remembered in a past interview with Singer, how he mentioned how many of the experiences on his films helped teach him how to approach a following film- For example- Mistakes/experiments on X1 showed a better way going into X2, X2 influenced choices for SR--- and now, with Singer having worked with CGI giants for "Jack the Giant Slayer"- there's ample proof that the Sentinels for his next X-men movie will be giant- and not human-sized. Makes me wonder- if Singer had stayed on, if we could have seen Superman fighting giant robots? Would have been fun.... (More fun to watch than him beating up/ or being beaten up by Batman, I would think....) oh well....  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2013 14:56:47 GMT -5
Then how would "Valkyrie" have influenced a SR2? It's been a while since I've seen it. I've got it on DVD, one of those cheap rentals that the stores get rid of after realizing they ordered way too many copies ...
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 18, 2013 15:06:13 GMT -5
As far as how Valkyrie would have influenced an SR 2- That's a good question. Not sure- but I do know that BEFORE 'Jack the Giant Slayer', Singer said at Comicon for an X2 preview when asked about Sentinels being used in the Xmen movies, that he couldn't figure out how to realistically portray giant robots...
After Jack the Giant Slayer? I was suprised myself that Singer chose the comic book giant size version of the Sentinels, so it's mainly just a guess on my part that Giant Slayer had a big hand in influencing it....
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Post by ShogunLogan on Aug 20, 2013 12:58:30 GMT -5
Pacific Rim?
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 20, 2013 18:40:48 GMT -5
Well... even before then, the Transformer films (love or hate them) had shown pretty convincing fx--- so giant robot fx aren't anything new--- I'm guessing that he must have just had some sort of mental block in visualizing it working in the 'realistic' take on X-men that he had, until Jack came around.  |
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Post by tomahawk on Aug 21, 2013 6:26:33 GMT -5
A little something I have been working on recently.
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Post by Metallo on Aug 21, 2013 9:22:56 GMT -5
Cool! I'd also love to see someone do a mash up trailer for SR and MOS.
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Post by Jor-L5150 on Aug 21, 2013 16:43:17 GMT -5
This is why we need a muscular Superman General! Would you care to step outside.....GLAVIN! dahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2013 20:05:30 GMT -5
Mel Gibson's twice his age and in twice the shape.
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Post by Ollie W on Aug 22, 2013 9:40:16 GMT -5
A little something I have been working on recently. I'm one of the lucky one's to have seen this edit. Simply put it's the best cut of Superman Returns out there and through it my respect for this movie has grown. I don't know what higher praise I can give it but I'll be sure to write a detailed review soon. Great job Tomahawk! |
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 22, 2013 10:15:43 GMT -5
Curious- does it mainly blend it all the deleted material?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2013 17:47:07 GMT -5
heck, that trailer alone made me fall in love with it again.
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Post by Ollie W on Aug 25, 2013 21:47:46 GMT -5
Curious- does it mainly blend it all the deleted material? A fair bit of deleted material is included. But the whole structure in the middle part of the film is rearranged for a much better paced film. A lot of the fat is removed and subtle trims in dialogue make characters much more likable. When watching it I get a better sense of what Singer was going for. |
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Post by EnriqueH on Aug 25, 2013 22:06:43 GMT -5
Good trailer.
I originally thought MOS was better than SR, and it probably is, but SR had better "money shots".
Superman's rescue of Lois, the Kid and James Marsden is the best moment in either film.
It's a damn shame SR had no super villain. The climax for SR seems nonexistent.
SR had better music too.
SR was a bad idea done well, but MOS was a good idea done badly.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2013 22:09:39 GMT -5
*poorly
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Post by crazy_asian_man on Aug 25, 2013 22:25:28 GMT -5
Recently listened to a screenwriting podcast about climaxes for big movies, and how we, as an audience have become accustomed to big explosions or such to have a feeling of resolution at the end for summer blockbusters.
I'd argue that a death of a major character (vilain, hero, or supporting) could also be considered an 'explosion' of sorts.
SR had the most interesting climax for a superhero film because it had neither -instead, the climax is that he realized that he was a dad.... which puts it in a whole unique class of its own. It was an 'art film' climax, rather than one with big fireworks.
Having said that, I totally agree that a supervillain would have done wonders for SR. Imagine Superman lifting the kryptonite mass--- AND having to battle a supervillain at the same time- would have been pretty cool, I think....
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Post by EnriqueH on Aug 25, 2013 22:47:26 GMT -5
Yeah.
It didn't even need to be Zod, Doomsday or Darkseid. It could've been Metallo or secondary villain to whet our appetite for SR2.
Just SOMETHING to punch.
And you know what?
I think Singer would've made a superbattle resonate more.
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Post by Metallo on Aug 26, 2013 0:03:56 GMT -5
He did with the Xmen films and they weren't half as big as MOS. I was far more into Wolverine vs Deathstrike. I agree. If SR had had Superman punching someone who could take it I think some people would have been more forgiving of its flaws.
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